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Analysis Best & Worst Top 10 Draft Picks Per Draft Number

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  1. jackenny

    jackenny Club Legend

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    Wait, do you mean Gary Ablett?

    Mind you, I think the big reason team success counts for Hodge is that he was captain (which adds to the legend), a lot like Voss being a monster in his day during the Lion's three-peat.
     
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  2. Virgin Dog

    Virgin Dog Team Captain

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    Yeah might be a bit off on that one..
     
  3. Virgin Dog

    Virgin Dog Team Captain

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    Yeah I certainly did haha my bad

    And to be fair, Nick Maxwell was a premiership captain, but it's pretty widely accepted that he was barely in Collingwood's best 22 for a good duration of his captaincy - he was kept on field for leadership, and less for skill
     
  4. Holy Rioli

    Holy Rioli Premium Gold

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    Nope load of crap. Gibbs should have been an all time great but his development was so fundamentally screwed up at Carlton (lol and being put in the leadership group a month after being drafted). Hodge wouldn't have been half the player if was drafted by them. He struggled early with Hawthorn as well until Clarko came over, and our player development was completely overhauled.

    The other thing you have completely overlooked is cometh the moment, cometh the man. Reiwoldt never played a good grand final, as where Hodge consistently stepped up big time when it came to the big dance. It does count for how you rate a player as much as you think it is a bullshit argument. We don't win 2008 if we had Reiwoldt instead of Hodge, it really is that simple.
     
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  5. Nobu

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    That has more to do with the club than the player though. Plus you've missed the point entirely. Put every Luke Hodge performance in a side that didn't win premierships over the course of his career and he's still exactly the same player. Whether he won premierships or not should be irrelevant. He should be judged on performances and performances only.

    As for Norm Smith medals, that is an individual accolade and Hodge deserves all the plaudits he gets for winning them.
     
  6. jackenny

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    No worries mate.

    As for Maxwell, I feel like his mediocrity is a bit overplayed. For example, he did win a deserving All-Australian in his first year as captain. Next year, he led them to a premiership in the GF rematch. He won multiple Best n' Fairest. It's a shame Maxwell's dramatic drop in form in proceeding years are what's focused on. Reiwoldt and Hodge are definitely better players, though.

    The best comparison I can make from a St Kilda perspective is that Luke Hodge is Hawthorn's Lenny Hayes during their golden era.
     
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  7. Jesslc

    Jesslc Club Legend

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    Ive seen Watts be absolutely pivotal in a shitload of Dees wins.

    Cant say the same about Boyd (Apart from fantastic GF performance) or McCartin.
     
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  8. Virgin Dog

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    Oh I don't mean he was a spud by any measure - more that he enjoyed a prolonged career due to his leadership despite arguably dropping out of their 'best 22'. He definitely was a gun for a good 3-4 year stretch, I was just trying to make the point that not all premiership players are absolute superstars, so having a medal to your name doesn't make you a better player than anothet
     
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  9. 2006_Eagles

    2006_Eagles Brownlow Medallist

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    :rolleyes:
     
  10. Socrates2

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    Pick 2, Cotchin better than Roughead, Nigel Lappin,Natanui,Ottens and Hasleby not far behind
     
  11. AFLOnline

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    Well said
     

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  12. 00Stinger

    00Stinger Duel Group 1 winner

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    I am staggered that there has been a worse pick at 4 than Toumpas
     
  13. st_trav_ofWA

    st_trav_ofWA Premiership Player

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    McCartin as the worst number 1 is rubish far too early in his carreer to call that ...
    going from 93 til today you got :
    Clive Waterhouse
    Des Hedland
    Josh Fraser
    Jack Watts
     
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  14. TedDougChris

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    All those players have delivered more than Paddy has. But he does have time to catch them.
     
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  15. Sab22

    Sab22 Sinclair Cup Winner

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    Pretty harsh on Paddy imo. Bloke has been flogged by injuries.
     
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  16. Mofra

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    Tim Walsh, Bulldogs.

    Career stats: 1 game, 1 kick, 1 goal.

    Toumpas was ruined by injury, I have sympathy for him. He's a way better footballer than Tim Walsh ever was.
     
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  17. TedDougChris

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    Agreed and he has time on his side. But, he has largely failed to deliver. There are good reasons, but not the results you would have hoped for at pick 1....
     
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  18. Monkey King

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    Riewoldt a better player than Hodge.

    Beau Dowler would give Thorp a run at being the worst pick 6.
     
  19. adammania9

    adammania9 Norm Smith Medallist

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    Josh Fraser was a very good player at the start of his career, and was a serviceable ruck for the remainder.
     
  20. TedDougChris

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    Good conversion rate though !!
     
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  21. Thetrader15

    Thetrader15 Norm Smith Medallist

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    Meeson worse than JON for pick 8?
     
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  22. hoddo

    hoddo Premiership Player

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    Best
    1: Hodge (narrowly from Riewoldt)
    2: Lappin
    3: Judd
    4: Kennedy
    5: Franklin (narrowly from Pendlebury)
    6: Macrae
    7: Selwood
    8: Bartel
    9: Chad Cornes
    10: Dangerfield

    It may be my Melbourne bias talking but I believe Oliver and Salem will take over the 4 and 9 spots before long.


    Worst
    1: Lounder
    2-10: Dead heats between all those players at each pick who failed to play even one match … and there are plenty.

    Lounder played just 4 matches which is way below any other number 1 pick. How people can be nominating a 200+game player like Fraser or 100+game players like Waterhouse, Alex McDonald, Headland and Watts ahead of him is crazy.
     
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  23. st_trav_ofWA

    st_trav_ofWA Premiership Player

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    thats the point Paddy has been in for 5 mins in the AFL system he still has time to become a player (heck how was Tom Hawkins going at Paddys age) to call it the worst number one pick this early is very premature ... what we know is Waterhouse, Hedland , Fraser and Watts had at best one good season followed by a career of meh
     
  24. TedDougChris

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    As opposed to no good Seasons yet....

    FWIW, I don’t think he will be on this list in a couple of years time, but worthy of consideration at this point.

    I think you are being harsh on a couple up there too.
     
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  25. st_trav_ofWA

    st_trav_ofWA Premiership Player

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    my memory of him was having two decent years followed by a series of almost years where he almost reach his potential .. he got to 200 games so i wouldnt put him as the worst but he would be at the lower end from that 93 to 2018 era of number 1 picks
     
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