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[theGav56]

I think Ross's game plan is more important than any player, we wouldn't have been in the final if it wasn't for the master plan.

Interesting idea for a thread.

 

[Bicco]

I don't see Crowley underrated around here at all. A super-stopper. Top 3.... I don't see it. In fact I can see a situation emerging like Collingwood had where they don't tag at all if Sylvia and some of the young fellas fire up .[/quote]
Really? You don't see it? In 2012 when McP was AA and Pav nearly won the Coleman, Crowls was named by our coaching staff as the BEST player at the club, and you don't see how his influence ( IMO) is top 3 at getting a result our way by shutting down the best opposition mids? No one mentions him but me and you say he's not underrated yet you can see us playing a game plan where he doesn't exist. Now Gav, that I don't see.
I guess we'll have to see him miss games against teams with top midfielders to see who is right. Personally I think he's been our best player from the last two seasons.

 

[theGav56]

I am not disputing Crowleys abilities. Even if he is seen as having been our best over those 2 years, I certainly don't see him as our most important.

If as you propose he was to miss games I would suggest de Boer may be shifted to Crowley's role, and we have numerous options up forward to take de Boer's spot (Crozier, Suban, C Pearce). He may not be in the same league as a stopper but he would still have an impact. Sure it would not be our best 22, but I don't think our chances of a win would be significantly dented.

But I cannot see which player we are going to move into Mundy or Fyfe's roles with any confidence. It would require some restructuring, not simply a personnel change.

 

[couldhavebeen]

Gav its a great tread but we are a team of great running assist players .
If one link is missing the team covers the holes and moves on that's the beauty of the RTB game plan .
In past seasons under different coaches if we lost Pav or Sandilands we got beaten .
Now I'm not saying they aren't great players but we have proved this last season that we have the Depth and the game plan to cover their loss .
Their performances in the finals where terrific but as with Johnson when he didn't play in the Geelong final we had cover and won away from home against a quality team .
Mundy ,Pavlich ,Sandi , Mcpharlin , Johnson , Crowley , Mayne , Barlow , Spurr , Hill and Fyfe are all A Grade players so any combination of their unavailability hurts the team structure BUT now we have recruited more quality players and the support players are very close behind .
This i why BF people are having so much trouble trying to settle on the best 22 .
We have so much depth now that we have NEVER had in our history .
I thank god I'm not a selector for this Club for this season because it will be a toss of a coin to select a team every week .
Just try telling the supporters why after their performances in the finals series that Suban Mate we can't fit you into the team or Lachie Neale or Mzungu . Never mind Sutcliff ,Sheridan , De boer , Clancee , Dayle Pearce ,or for that matter Duffield you have to play with Peel instead of Collingwood
Mate I just couldn't do it ,I would need to be hospitalised because my heart would be breaking for those GUYS .
I've named 20 players that deserve to play every week and the list of players banging the door down to play a game is almost as long .
SO as to this post GOOD LUCK

 

[mike91]

couldhavebeen makes a good point about Mayne, he'd have to be extremely close to top 3 if hes not already in it.

 

[theGav56]

[quote="couldhavebeen, post: 31185126, member: 132400"]Gav its a great tread but we are a team of great running assist players .
If one link is missing the team covers the holes and moves on that's the beauty of the RTB game plan .
In past seasons under different coaches if we lost Pav or Sandilands we got beaten .
Now I'm not saying they aren't great players but we have proved this last season that we have the Depth and the game plan to cover their loss .
Their performances in the finals where terrific but as with Johnson when he didn't play in the Geelong final we had cover and won away from home against a quality team .
Mundy ,Pavlich ,Sandi , Mcpharlin , Johnson , Crowley , Mayne , Barlow , Spurr , Hill and Fyfe are all A Grade players so any combination of their unavailability hurts the team structure BUT now we have recruited more quality players and the support players are very close behind .
This i why BF people are having so much trouble trying to settle on the best 22 .
We have so much depth now that we have NEVER had in our history .
I thank god I'm not a selector for this Club for this season because it will be a toss of a coin to select a team every week .
Just try telling the supporters why after their performances in the finals series that Suban Mate we can't fit you into the team or Lachie Neale or Mzungu . Never mind Sutcliff ,Sheridan , De boer , Clancee , Dayle Pearce ,or for that matter Duffield you have to play with Peel instead of Collingwood
Mate I just couldn't do it ,I would need to be hospitalised because my heart would be breaking for those GUYS .
I've named 20 players that deserve to play every week and the list of players banging the door down to play a game is almost as long .
SO as to this post GOOD LUCK [/quote]

We don't have other players who can replicate what Mundy and Fyfe gave us in the GF. If we did we would have won. The thing is, they rarely go missing, and consistently perform, but they also step up for the big games.

 

[theGav56]

couldhavebeen makes a good point about Mayne, he'd have to be extremely close to top 3 if hes not already in it.

Serious? You mean our top 3 players? Is Mayne ahead of Johnson and MacPharlin? Ahead of Barlow?

Post up your top 3 Mike.

 

[Nodgey]

I don't see Crowley underrated around here at all. A super-stopper. Top 3.... I don't see it. In fact I can see a situation emerging like Collingwood had where they don't tag at all if Sylvia and some of the young fellas fire up .

Interesting point and I'd quite like the spectacle of us being such an attacking high scoring team that rendered the tagger as unnecessary. But IIRC Malthouse's Pies had a tagging role (Johnson/McCaffer) where Buckley's clearly didn't. And Geelong throughout their dominance had Ling in the role. IMHO it's a key cog in a Premiership team.

 

[couldhavebeen]

Serious? You mean our top 3 players? Is Mayne ahead of Johnson and MacPharlin? Ahead of Barlow?

Post up your top 3 Mike.

Mayne has re defined the CHF position in that no longer can a forward just worry about just kicking goals as his job ,now he has to be accountable for his opponent when his team does't have the ball and He must be applying up to 7 tackles a game .
This locks the ball in the forward line until a gaol is scored or the defence has time to get back and defend .
Barlow is a good player and is top class but Mayne is more valuable due to the pressure he creates

 

[manpurple]

Mayne has re defined the CHF position in that no longer can a forward just worry about just kicking goals as his job ,now he has to be accountable for his opponent when his team does't have the ball and He must be applying up to 7 tackles a game .
This locks the ball in the forward line until a gaol is scored or the defence has time to get back and defend .
Barlow is a good player and is top class but Mayne is more valuable due to the pressure he creates

Nope.
I have to disagree with you. If Mayne had to play Barlow's role were in trouble. The reverse is not true. Additionally Mayne isn't the first HF to be good at the pressure acts and I wouldn't say he is even the best in our team at playing that way. Granted he is good but lets not go overboard.

 

[manpurple]

Not sure if it was here or in one of the other threads but if Crowley is out I would not have De Boer do his role. IMHO watching the GU take apart Hannaberry in the final against the swannies crowned him as heir apparent for Crowley's role.

 

[electricfeel]

Not sure if it was here or in one of the other threads but if Crowley is out I would not have De Boer do his role. IMHO watching the GU take apart Hannaberry in the final against the swannies crowned him as heir apparent for Crowley's role.

Mzungu does a great run-with role but I'm not sure his role is as tight as Crowley's in terms of tagging. He did a good job on Hannebery but there have been a couple of times where he has been responsible for a player running manic in a quarter or so of footy which allowed the opposition to get back into the game. I think he might've been on Sidebottom during our game against Collingwood this year where Sidebottom collected something like 12 disposals in the third quarter and was highly influential in getting the Pies back into the game. I can't recall another time but I don't think that was the only occasion where that has happened.

 

[theGav56]

Mayne has re defined the CHF position in that no longer can a forward just worry about just kicking goals as his job ,now he has to be accountable for his opponent when his team does't have the ball and He must be applying up to 7 tackles a game .
This locks the ball in the forward line until a gaol is scored or the defence has time to get back and defend .
Barlow is a good player and is top class but Mayne is more valuable due to the pressure he creates

Just checking, so you also have Mayne in our top 3, because that is where the discussion has gone with Mike's comments? I think the opposition would feel happier with Barlow missing than Mayne missing.

 

[mike91]

Never thought I'd have to say this here, but Mayne is actually underrated on our own board. No one else plays his role as good as he does in the AFL. Best forward pressure player, our second best forward, deadly accurate and rarely has a bad game. I'd be more worried if Mayne missed a game than Barlow.

 

[theGav56]

Never thought I'd have to say this here, but Mayne is actually underrated on our own board. No one else plays his role as good as he does in the AFL. Best forward pressure player, our second best forward, deadly accurate and rarely has a bad game. I'd be more worried if Mayne missed a game than Barlow.

As worried as you were about missing Broughton?

I would be more worried about missing Pavlich, MacPharlin, Fyfe, Mundy, Johnson, Walters and Crowley than missing Mayne. I would also be worried about missing Mayne along the same lines as I would be worried about missing some other very good players in Barlow, Sandilands, Hill, Ballantyne.

 

[couldhavebeen]

Manpurple please tell me that you don't truly believe that post because if that's your understanding of the role he plays then your watching another team .
Go back and watch any game this year and just watch how he injects himself into the stoppages and puts pressure on both inside and outside mids from opposition teams .
He will sum up the situation and then he goes in and puts on a block for our mids or tackles their mids if they have the ball .
Give us the names of any other CHF in the AFL past or Present that did that or does that today.
Goodes isn't a CHF and would never have the number of tackles that Mayne racks up .
Just in case you where going to use him as an example

 

[theGav56]

I agree Mayne is a valuable forward contributor, and an unconventional CHF. Reality is that RTB has had the "situation vacant" sign up for a genuine CHF though, and we have left no stone unturned in our quest to have someone else play that position. There is a reason for that, and it has nothing to do with how Mayne is valued, and everything to do with what role he can play best.

 

[couldhavebeen]

He is the perfect replacement for De Boers role and Sylvia should take over at CHF . Otherwise Sylvia on HFF and Taberner at CHF .
We will have some real height in the forward line as well as terrific hungry tackling machines . Can't wait till the selectors chose who gets a guernsey in the Preseason games because all the boys arepushing for a place even now at training

 

[mike91]

As worried as you were about missing Broughton?

I would be more worried about missing Pavlich, MacPharlin, Fyfe, Mundy, Johnson, Walters and Crowley than missing Mayne. I would also be worried about missing Mayne along the same lines as I would be worried about missing some other very good players in Barlow, Sandilands, Hill, Ballantyne.

Says the person who doesn't care about loyalty and love when it comes to families.

You actually just proved my point in my post. You severely underrate Mayne.

 

[theGav56]

He is the perfect replacement for De Boers role and Sylvia should take over at CHF . Otherwise Sylvia on HFF and Taberner at CHF .
We will have some real height in the forward line as well as terrific hungry tackling machines . Can't wait till the selectors chose who gets a guernsey in the Preseason games because all the boys arepushing for a place even now at training

cough cough. I am pretty sure that won't happen.

 

[theGav56]

Says the person who doesn't care about loyalty and love when it comes to families.

You actually just proved my point in my post. You severely underrate Mayne.

Sorry? You are rating Mayne due to loyalty, or as a family man? I thought we were discussing football.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

One thing I am sure about is Chop will relish not having the number 1 or 2 defender on him.

With Gumby and Sylvia coming in I'd expect to see Mayne draw the 3rd or 4th best defender.
He has done a great job albeit fighting in the wrong division.

Really, I expect him to become more attacking in 2014 and do it well.

 

[Crippa]

I think the opposition would feel happier with Barlow missing than Mayne missing.

Don't know about Mayne vs Barlow, but the opposition will underestimate Mayne at their peril once we play a second genuine KPF in the forward line.

 

[mike91]

Sorry? You are rating Mayne due to loyalty, or as a family man? I thought we were discussing football.

You know exactly what I mean. When you're ready to grow up, then talk to me.

 

[mike91]

One thing I am sure about is Chop will relish not having the number 1 or 2 defender on him.

With Gumby and Sylvia coming in I'd expect to see Mayne draw the 3rd or 4th best defender.
He has done a great job albeit fighting in the wrong division.

Really, I expect him to become more attacking in 2014 and do it well.

Agreed. Think Mayne could be in for a massive year next year.