Betting websites

[Bucking Bronco]

Does anyone use a broker to bet with Pinnacle?

Pros / Cons?
Advice?

Pinnacle accounts via agents for Australians were closed in April 2020.

I asked someone at Sportmarket if they offered Pinnacle to Australians about a month ago and they said yes?

I wonder if they offer live betting on AFL (Pinnacle), in the event it (Pinnacle) is available through Sportmarket.

I know Sportmarket allows you to place live bets legally on the sites offered, and was previously a vehicle for placing live bets legally on Betfair.

Have been using Cloudbet recently which is meant to be the premier crypto betting site, and it seems to come close to mirroring the odds of Pinnacle; and allows legal live betting.

 

[Bucking Bronco]

Also, would like to ask once again, does anyone here have any experience using Parimatch?

I asked a representative on their site if Australians were able to and he gave me some ambiguous answer in broken English which appeared to give the answer of 'yes'.

They have insanely good odds, at least for MMA, even better than Pinnacle, and I imagine it should be the case for other sports; and in the case of MMA they put the odds out months in advance which gives you the opportunity to shark great odds: for example just one fight I was looking at on there recently was Overeem/ Volkov where Volkov was a ~$2.20 dog and once the odds dropped at the numerous other market leaders for MMA such as 5Dimes on the same day a month or so later his odds were crunched to 1.60. Happens all the time.

 

[Reveen]

I asked someone at Sportmarket if they offered Pinnacle to Australians about a month ago and they said yes?

I was using a Pinnacle agent. I've checked the correspondence and the account was actually closed because COVID destroyed the volume of his sub-accounts so he shut it all down.

To be honest with the change in focus Pinnacle is a totally different company now - they are no longer interested in sharp action therefore the odds and bet limits suck. Towards the end I wasn't using it. Sadly it's just Betfair now. RIP Good Old Days.

 

[Bucking Bronco]

I was using a Pinnacle agent. I've checked the correspondence and the account was actually closed because COVID destroyed the volume of his sub-accounts so he shut it all down.

To be honest with the change in focus Pinnacle is a totally different company now - they are no longer interested in sharp action therefore the odds and bet limits suck. Towards the end I wasn't using it. Sadly it's just Betfair now. RIP Good Old Days.

What are the limits if you don't mind me asking?

I thought I read that they had a limit of you can bet to make around $20K per bet? Maybe that was the old conditions?

What about TopSports limits? Aren't they meant to be the Australian Pinnacle?

Not that I should be concerned with it as I'm still trying to work out how to make money not lose it.

 

[Oliverwilliams]

I'd like to know more about different sites.

Im signed up to Centrebet, TAB, Sportsbet, SportingBet, and Betfair.

Which are some other least known ones you might like, or even hate and rate them here.

I always use bovada or bookmakers... but it depends on what you need and want from the site. If you need more options you can check the reviews bookmaker has Best Sportsbooks

 

[noffle]

Does anyone around here get a rebate from the tab on tote bets? Any idea what kind of volume you need to be betting? There's a bit of stuff online about it but it's mostly 10 years old

 

[Geead]

What method of quick deposit do you boys use for the bookies which don't offer Paypal (which is instant)?

I fking used Credit Card one time on PB and gave me a cash advance fee, amateur move by me lol

 

[iluvparis]

What method of quick deposit do you boys use for the bookies which don't offer Paypal (which is instant)?

I fking used Credit Card one time on PB and gave me a cash advance fee, amateur move by me lol

Debit card

 

[dtm06]

Debit or Poli. Paypal's my first choice though.

 

[Geead]

Debit or Poli. Paypal's my first choice though.

Yeah Paypal's my go to, wasn't too sure about Poli (how secure it is).

But Debit would be a good option when Paypal's unavailable - i thought it might also of had some wierd fees lol

 

[HeathySure]

Does anyone around here get a rebate from the tab on tote bets? Any idea what kind of volume you need to be betting? There's a bit of stuff online about it but it's mostly 10 years old

The massive punters like Zelko were recipients. They wont give it to your normal average big punter.

 

[IKnowtheDog]

The massive punters like Zelko were recipients. They wont give it to your normal average big punter.

I'm sure if you betting $1,000 on the first at Manawatu greys on a Monday the TAB would help out

 

[iluvparis]

I'm sure if you betting $1,000 on the first at Manawatu greys on a Monday the TAB would help out

So you bet $1,000 - win 85% of the of the other $3.50 in the pool - tab rebates you 15% - profit?

 

[checkraiseulite]

poli for deposits usually.

 

[the harry]

I'm sure if you betting $1,000 on the first at Manawatu greys on a Monday the TAB would help out

Think you would be shocked at the amount of people betting those levels

 

[Jugada]

The massive punters like Zelko were recipients. They wont give it to your normal average big punter.

No idea about now but the TABs would a few years ago. Your ToteTas, WATab and ACT Tab had a bottom tier of like $250k per year for rubbish rebates up to your $2 million plus tier which was where the decent rebates were

 

[HeathySure]

I'm sure if you betting $1,000 on the first at Manawatu greys on a Monday the TAB would help out

i am not mr root having $500 quinellas on the french harness races at 10 oclock at night

 

[X_box_X]

It's a sad state of affairs at Topsport. Mr. Merlehan continues to spruik about the POC tax forcing change.

They are no longer true to their word and it seems they're not doing enough to trigger change. Most of the other books are well and truly surviving in the industry, but Topsport appear to be going backwards.


WE USED TO OFFER TOP ODDS.
ONCE UPON A TIME WE HAD HIGH LIMITS FOR ALL PUNTERS.
REMEMBER THE DAYS WE USED TO LET YOU ON FOR PLENTY?



High limits for ALL PUNTERS.
Top odds.

Really? Sadly, this is no longer true.

While we often used to see $1.92 lines, this has now become $1.85 lines.

While we often used to get a decent size bet on, this has been slashed by 300%. I'm talking from personal experience and the experience of several others that I know to be true.

The Player Props limits have now become a joke. We used to be able to get on to win $600+. This has slowly been on the decline for months. Overnight it has now reached a laughable level. From personal experience and what I know to be true of other Topsport clients, the limits range from $40 to $121 on this Platform.

What concerns me greatly is every time I've attempted to have a genuine conversation with Tristan about not living up to their brand, not being true to their word by offering high limits, and often having bets rejected by one of their traders whose name I won't reveal, it all falls on def ears. He always blames platforms and feeds beyond their control. I.e. If your live bet request is rejected, it's because their feed is wrong. It's concerning that he's well and truly aware of this issue, has gone on public record in mentioning this several times, yet they still continue to use the exact same feed which continues to cause issues. You'd think the smart thing to do would to change the way they go about things if they're not happy with their feed. What's the point of using a feed to deliver your live odds, only for some traders to often reject bets when they are requested?

FEEL THE THRILL OF HAVING YOUR LIVE BET REJECTED.


I personally haven't spoken to Tristan about the concerning and diabolic limits we're now getting with their Player Props platform, but I know several others who have. They're so concerned that they've reached out to Merlehan for an explanation. They've all been told that Topsport has no control over the limits placed on clients in the Player Props platform because those limits are set by their third party platform (Digital Sports). Just to confirm, that's the message that was delivered to multiple clients. I have been sent screen shots of correspondence that shows this. Do they think we're stupid?

Other books are well and truly leaving Topsport behind in their wake. For years Topsport has prided itself on high limits, fairness and top odds. These days you have more of a chance getting a decent sized bet accepted at TAB & Sportsbet.

With the emergence of Betr and the ridiculous amount of money and advertising being pumped by them, it won't be long before the entire Topsport brand comes crashing down with a monstrous thud.

A TOP LOW EXPERIENCE FOR ALL PUNTERS.
WE USED TO LET YOU ON FOR PLENTY.

 

[iluvparis]

They have openly admitted they are trying to reduce their turnover because of the POC rules. Not sure what you are expecting.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

How much do you need to deposit to Betr to get that 100-1 offer?

 

[iluvparis]

How much do you need to deposit to Betr to get that 100-1 offer?

As little as you want

 

[Ohh Ok]

They have openly admitted they are trying to reduce their turnover because of the POC rules. Not sure what you are expecting.

They're also lying directly to their customers, I've been told that my limitations on player prop bets are a choice that was made by digital sports. I'd say that's almost definitely not true.

The fact that I can only get on to win $40 with a bookie that is still promoting big limits is a bit disheartening

 

[halapenyo]

what are topsports limits like for moneyline markets? are they around that $40 as well?

 

[sohohoho]

what are topsports limits like for moneyline markets? are they around that $40 as well?

Depends on sport, How long til kick off and Who you are

Its more than $40 on core markets

 

[54Dogs]

As stated by Paris above they have publicly stated on a podcast that they will be more profitable by reducing turnover so they can be under the "major bookmaker" turnover threshold and will be taxed accordingly. So there is zero incentive for them offer top odds, promos or high limits other than holding the most profitable of their customers.

Notwithstanding they should change their marketing strategy given their position, the bigger issue is that any POC tax system that encourages bookmakers to reduce turnover to increase their profits is fundamentally flawed and needs an overhaul. The obvious solution is a sliding scale rather than just large / small bookmaker thresholds,