Bevo out

[Jeff 1975]

Salmon became an excellent ruckman as he aged.


Hawthorn (1995-2000)Edit
At the end of 1995, Salmon moved to Hawthorn, where he played from 1995–2000, and revived his career winning the Best and Fairest in 96 and 97 as well as the Most Consistent Award in 98.[14] He became Vice Captain in 98 and also finished in the top ten in every best and fairest in each of his five years at the club. After 5 season's and 100 games with the Hawks he retired at the age of 35, and after his retirement he was named in Hawthorn's 'Team of the Century'.[15]

In 1997, Salmon achieved All-Australian selection, being named in the Ruck.[16]

Here's hoping with English - they say big guys mature slowly

I believe Salmon played mainly at FF with Essendon

If my memory is right we played Hawthorn in the last game of the first year we played at the Docklands

Hawthorn had to win to make the finals and they did - Salmon was rucking by then - played well too

That's a long time ago

 

[ummmbont]

Anyone who doesn’t rate Bevo has no idea about football

 

[SupercededMan]

Of the multitude of dumb reactionary things said in the heat of the moment(s) over the last few weeks.

That was the one most deserving of a self-inflicted uppercut.

I'd put the multiple calls for "Sack Bevo" up there, actually.

 

[BEaston]

Who called for Bevo to be sacked? I don't recall seeing many, if any, calls for him to be sacked. There is a lot of hyperbole on here making out that everyone who is unhappy with how we've been travelling over the past month is calling for Bevo to be sacked.

Your bolded statement is actually the hyperbole. Nobody is saying everyone questioning Bevo wanted him sacked, but to say there wasn't anyone saying it at all is complete head in the sand stuff. Why are you so defensive whenever this is raised? There were numerous calls for it if you want to go back a read the threads.

 

[SupercededMan]

Who called for Bevo to be sacked? I don't recall seeing many, if any, calls for him to be sacked. There is a lot of hyperbole on here making out that everyone who is unhappy with how we've been travelling over the past month is calling for Bevo to be sacked.

Geez ... I guess I must be a fanboi. LOL.

 

[WallyStringhaus]

I just went through the last week of posts on the 'Beveridge - Where to From Here' thread and two posters advocated for Beveridge to move on. Two. And neither of them post very regularly on here.

There are a great many posters who are calling for increased scrutiny or for changes to the Assistants, but it's bloody hard to find anyone who actually wants Beveridge sacked.

Just sayin'.

I'd recommend you go back and read from page 27 on in the Bevo Out thread...there's a lot more than two...just sayin'

 

[WallyStringhaus]

You mean the thread which isn't even on the front page of the Bulldogs board and page 27 of that thread that is from 2020? Pleeease!

It was bumped on page 27 and the discussion on it continued until Wednesday. If you choose to ignore it thats on you. Plenty of regular posters on there wanted him gone.

 

[WallyStringhaus]

We have hundreds of posters on here every week and you pull a handful out and call that plenty? The talk that plenty or lots of posters are calling for Beveridge to be sacked is a fabrication. There are dozens and dozens who are unhappy about some aspects of our coaching setup and want some changes, but bugger all that are calling for him to be sacked. But it suits those who think Bevo can do no wrong to portray everyone else as aligning themselves with the tiny minority that want Beveridge gone. It's a lazy defense and a dishonest one.

No, what's lazy and dishonest is grandstanding and claiming only two posters wanted him gone. Then being arrogant when someone points out that there was another thread (which is literally titled Bevo Out) where regular and respected posters indeed wanted him sacked.

I could care less what other people think, it's a discussion forum for god sake. They have their opinion, I have mine. Happy to engage. You however, are being deliberately disingenous.

 

[BRWB]

No, what's lazy and dishonest is grandstanding and claiming only two posters wanted him gone. Then being arrogant when someone points out that there was another thread (which is literally titled Bevo Out) where regular and respected posters indeed wanted him sacked.

I could care less what other people think, it's a discussion forum for god sake. They have their opinion, I have mine. Happy to engage. You however, are being deliberately disingenous.

Well said.

Mutt and the many likers of Mutts below post may not have outright said they want Bev sacked but this post from last week makes it hard to see how Mutt and his likers want Bev as coach.

Disengenous is the perfect description.

Beveridge has coasted for 5 years on a golden, never to be repeated, month of footy. He pisses all over the media in petulant displays that don't help our club and has not won a final since 2016. We lose most of our big games and his game-day coaching is piss weak. I've never been a fan of the self-absorbed smart-arse but I'm way beyond that now. We are wasting the best list in the AFL with a ******* egotistical w***er in charge.

 

[BEaston]

It was bumped on page 27 and the discussion on it continued until Wednesday. If you choose to ignore it thats on you. Plenty of regular posters on there wanted him gone.

It's just complete head in the sand stuff. Baffling.

 

[immortalmike]

Here is what I've actually said about the coaching....but don't let the truth get in the way of a bullshit story...:

This is the danger of blowing up a fringe ultra minority opinion and focusing on only that. Shooting fish in a barrel is fun and gets likes but you aren't impressing anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

Also it means a good poster such as yourself Mutt gets dragged down with those fringe opinions.

It's all anti discussion and promotes tribalism rather than a good faith chat about the merits of the subject.

 

[josh the gent]

FWIW, my opinion is unchanged after the Essendon finals win.

It was awesome to get our form back in the second half, and like all of us i hope we win the next 3!

What i didn’t like:
- Bombers were a really weak finals team. 11 wins. Let’s not get too carried away!
- At quarter time, Draper was a dominant force on the ground, and Essendon inaccuracy had us in front. Things were looking bleak.
- Then the rain came, which i believe was highly advantageous to us. Neutralised the ruck, and critically, got the team back to a surge mentality which found us our form.
- Bevo has constantly poo-pooed the match fitness/readiness of Stef Martin as a reason not to play him……. But saw fit to bring Gardner straight in for a final after 3 months out injured.

What i did like:
- There is no proof, but perhaps Bevo was wily and picked the team and ruck combo to factor in the rain. I don’t believe this…. But maybe.
- We play better when we’re taller. I liked naming both Schache and Gardner.
- I was all for playing Gardner (less so Schache), both played quite well.

 

[BEaston]

FWIW, my opinion is unchanged after the Essendon finals win.

It was awesome to get our form back in the second half, and like all of us i hope we win the next 3!

What i didn’t like:
- Bombers were a really weak finals team. 11 wins. Let’s not get too carried away!
- At quarter time, Draper was a dominant force on the ground, and Essendon inaccuracy had us in front. Things were looking bleak.
- Then the rain came, which i believe was highly advantageous to us. Neutralised the ruck, and critically, got the team back to a surge mentality which found us our form.
- Bevo has constantly poo-pooed the match fitness/readiness of Stef Martin as a reason not to play him……. But saw fit to bring Gardner straight in for a final after 3 months out injured.

What i did like:
- There is no proof, but perhaps Bevo was wily and picked the team and ruck combo to factor in the rain. I don’t believe this…. But maybe.
- We play better when we’re taller. I liked naming both Schache and Gardner.
- I was all for playing Gardner (less so Schache), both played quite well.

I agree in the sense that I don't think the Dons game would move anyone on their opinions regarding Bevo. It was basically a par performance against that side IMO.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

FWIW, my opinion is unchanged after the Essendon finals win.

It was awesome to get our form back in the second half, and like all of us i hope we win the next 3!

What i didn’t like:
- Bombers were a really weak finals team. 11 wins. Let’s not get too carried away!
- At quarter time, Draper was a dominant force on the ground, and Essendon inaccuracy had us in front. Things were looking bleak.
- Then the rain came, which i believe was highly advantageous to us. Neutralised the ruck, and critically, got the team back to a surge mentality which found us our form.
- Bevo has constantly poo-pooed the match fitness/readiness of Stef Martin as a reason not to play him……. But saw fit to bring Gardner straight in for a final after 3 months out injured.

What i did like:
- There is no proof, but perhaps Bevo was wily and picked the team and ruck combo to factor in the rain. I don’t believe this…. But maybe.
- We play better when we’re taller. I liked naming both Schache and Gardner.
- I was all for playing Gardner (less so Schache), both played quite well.

Perhaps you could consider changing the thread title to "Bevo Down But Not Out"? It does sound as if you are advocating for him to be OUT.

 

[BRWB]

Here is what I've actually said about the coaching....but don't let the truth get in the way of a bullshit story...:

Your words were quoted Mutt. No bullshit stories from me.

 

[immortalmike]

Your words were quoted Mutt. No bullshit stories from me.

While we're quoting words out of context. Do you still want to trade Lachie Hunter for Josh Walker?

 

[footscray1973]

I'll happily admit I've had serious reservations about Bevo even before this year. However I've never advocated getting rid of him (other than deliberately sarcastic posts or p1ss takes, sometimes at my own expense). What I still strongly believe is the assistants need a refresh. Not necessarily whole-sale replacement, but at least a fresh senior voice. I'm not suggesting King is not up to his senior assistant role, as I wouldn't know. But other clubs have multiple very experienced assistants. A Teague-type would bring some fresh perspective and ideas - using him as an example only.

 

[Mattdougie]

Mutt and I aren’t exactly on speaking terms but I do not recall him ever saying directly he wants Bev sacked immediately.

I believe he has consistently said we need a new panel around him, as many including myself have said for several years now. Without looking back he MAY have said if Bev doesn’t accept that then he needs to go, as have I but that does not mean we want him gone now.

It seems I’m not the only one that has his words twisted and changed to suit narratives.

And one win against a sub par finals team doesn’t change a thing imo. We need some new heads in the coaching panel asap

 

[CarnTheScray]

Bevo's only fault is his selection IMO.

After the next 3 weeks we will be saying "Bevo in for 10 years".

 

[maddog37]

Thread title needs a health warning included.

 

[SonOfScray]

And at no time have I ever called for Bevo to be sacked. Don't put words in my mouth or claim I've said things that I haven't. I have been upset with Bevo at times and would like changes to the coaching panel and the football department but I've always supported Luke remaining our coach - as has almost everyone on this forum.

I am very pleased with Sunday’s outcome and believe he could be at the helm for another premiership.

I would have sacked him last fortnight, mid 2020, R2 quarter time 2018. I might even want him sacked next year. He is a good coach.

 

[BRWB]

And at no time have I ever called for Bevo to be sacked. Don't put words in my mouth or claim I've said things that I haven't. I have been upset with Bevo at times and would like changes to the coaching panel and the football department but I've always supported Luke remaining our coach - as has almost everyone on this forum.

Beveridge has coasted for 5 years on a golden, never to be repeated, month of footy. He pisses all over the media in petulant displays that don't help our club and has not won a final since 2016. We lose most of our big games and his game-day coaching is piss weak. I've never been a fan of the self-absorbed smart-arse but I'm way beyond that now. We are wasting the best list in the AFL with a ******* egotistical w***er in charge.

You said those comments Mutt - so no one else is putting words in your mouth.

Surely you could not expect anyone to think you want Bev to remain as coach after making those comments...yet you say you do want Bev as coach.

So then the question becomes, why do you want to inflict on our club a coach who you describe as a 'self absorbed smart arse' who you've never been a fan of who is an 'egotistical w***er' who is wasting 'the best list in the AFL'?

Why would you do that to our club?

 

[footscray1973]

Hey all, the common enemy is the Essington Football Hangar Injecting Room Club.

 

[ScottyDogg]

You said those comments Mutt - so no one else is putting words in your mouth.

Surely you could not expect anyone to think you want Bev to remain as coach after making those comments...yet you say you do want Bev as coach.

So then the question becomes, why do you want to inflict on our club a coach who you describe as a 'self absorbed smart arse' who you've never been a fan of who is an 'egotistical w***er' who is wasting 'the best list in the AFL'?

Why would you do that to our club?

Sorry BRWB but you are trying to put those words in Mutt’s mouth. The quote you have selected in no way suggests that Mutt wanted to sack the coach. It suggests the exact same feeling that many of us have.

We love certain aspects of Bevo but ****ing hate many of the others that have allowed us to significantly under perform over the last couple years. Because he is such a good man manager and was able to turn water into wine back in 2016 it has given him enormous credits in the bank to waste away, which he has. He has been beyond infuriating with his stubbornness around list management, selection and the versatility mantra.

The victory on the weekend does not change any of that. Our defense and midfield depth are so good that we would beat most teams in the league without a ruckman and proper forward set up. That doesn’t mean that it’s the easiest or best way to do it. I am no expert but there are 17 other clubs that play a real ruckmen (or two) every week. The only other club that doesn’t, is one of the worst underperformers in AFL history (Geelong).

There would have been heaps of Richmond people saying Damien Hardwick was a absolute polished turd of a coach up until 2016. Because he was. Just because he actually listened to the necessary feedback and changed his ways from 2017 onwards doesn’t mean that those people were wrong. He brought in lots of other senior voices at that time and gave up some control.

We are yet to see if Bevo and more importantly the club can make those necessary changes to ensure we don’t waste this list. We need to bring in not one but numerous senior assistants to provide new ideas and a more balanced selection and list management approach. We need to bring in a minimum of two more rucks that the team is committed to playing and that are kept fit enough to play throughout the season. If one of those is going to be Young, fine, but he needs to be trained as a ruckman and played there all year.

If you want to attack people forwanting to sack the coach, find people who actually want to sack the coach. But don’t go after the huge group of us, who have every right to criticize the coach very strongly, while not suggesting that we throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

[lachy]

Thread title needs a health warning included. ⚠

I think the title thread causes most of the angst. The other similar title thread encourages more discussion, this title thread is downright disrespectful to a coach who has had us in 5 finals seriers in 7, a premiership and who knows this year after the McCartney years.

My position is whether we win or lose this week, every year a review should be conducted of the coaching set up and every 5 years get someone from outside the club to run the review. You should always be looking to improve