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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Power (on paper) Rankings

  1. CASSIUS' FLASHERS
  2. DSPEED'S DESTROYERS
    [*]Me
  3. BRISCOE'S BEARS
  4. CONS' WAREWOLVES
  5. SAMMY D'S DAWGS
  6. MANUREID'S RAIDAAHS
  7. GG APOCALYPSE
  8. TROJAN WIZARDS
  9. BRASHER'S BAIL JUMPERS
  10. FUEY'S HAZE
  11. VICK'S DOGS
  12. MARCUZ'S PISSHEADS
  13. WOODSON'S MUSTANGS
  14. JeffDunne
  15. MIZZA'S NUTS
comparison to Svens

1. dspeed +1
2. CONS_SS +3
3. Cassius_Clay -2
4. danielz_23 -1
5. manureid +2
6. JeffDunne +10!!
7. Brasher +3
8. Vick>Footy +4
9. Sammy_D -3 (sammy is awesome)
10. Mizza +6
11. Lenny_Briscoe -7 !!
12. g.g. -4
13. wizard_9 -4
14. fuey -3
15. Woodson -1
16. marcuz -3

My ranking was purely just look and shout out... but top 4 consistant... Jeff out of the blue... sammy and lenny not held as highly... Mizza rated higher here...
 

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Re: Sven's Kiss of Death

impartial my ass.... I'm sure something went under the table... maybe a promise of an expansion team?... first pick next year? haha
a) lol, no, nothing under the table, his honest rankings
b) hard to have an expansion team in a keeper league, they start off immediately on the wrong foot, but i suppose it happens in the real NFL
 

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a) lol, no, nothing under the table, his honest rankings
b) hard to have an expansion team in a keeper league, they start off immediately on the wrong foot, but i suppose it happens in the real NFL
It'd be easy here dont you think... how many can we keep at years end?

footnote: 10,360 views of this thread.... its really not THAT interesting, haha
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Had to see that coming, the sheep changed direction so the rest followed, haha.

A suggestion for the 'corner' picks of each round.

The 5 people, who make up the next 10 picks could IM dspeed and if there is no double up dspeed can just list the 10... if there is, he obviously goes back to the person who is further down the order and asks for another pick.

This way those people only have to check in once, rather than make a pick then wait between 5 minutes and 2 days until the next pick (5-8 picks later)

we cant really do it before dspeed makes his pick but on the other end of the 'snake' it could be worth while, as you'll only tell speed the 2 players you want.
i have alreadyrecieved Cassius' two prospective picks, and have sent PMs to Woodson and Mizza requesting the same, if they wish to keep secrecy that is fine but hopefully it can speed up the draft, this end seems to be the slower end!
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

i have alreadyrecieved Cassius' two prospective picks, and have sent PMs to Woodson and Mizza requesting the same, if they wish to keep secrecy that is fine but hopefully it can speed up the draft, this end seems to be the slower end!
cool, i cant see it as a problem as they intend on picking those players anyway... unless they havent decided or want to see what the others so... which is find... we have sooooo much time its not funny.

the longer the better to some extent because then we avoid a large 'dead' period between draft and start...

would be nice to have espn all set up a while in advance I guess.
 

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Re: Sven's Kiss of Death

The thing is too, with so many WR rookies on my list, and rookies on other peoples' lists...how are you able to project points??
I grant it's not easy but you've got to look at where the player is going to fit into the starting scheme, the QBs production, and previous rookies performance. They're not all starters in this league either eg Dwayne Jarrett and Ted Ginn are bye week backups at best.
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

I say rush thru it. Rushing as such still means a full round is going to take 3-4 days given everyone still has commitments and work etc.

Seeing as we started so far out from season start, and had to pick blind of new circumstances/news, then the rest of the draft should be as blind.

IMO.
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

I was just thinking... unclear on the rules but are we allowed to trade next years picks away...??

If we can, I'd suggest, we dont allow it because I was thinking that such a trade could happen... but in essence this could result in a team being stacked for the playoffs as another team has flogged off their players looking ahead to next year....

understand what I'm thinking?
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

I say rush thru it. Rushing as such still means a full round is going to take 3-4 days given everyone still has commitments and work etc.

Seeing as we started so far out from season start, and had to pick blind of new circumstances/news, then the rest of the draft should be as blind.

IMO.
as we all did... and if circumstances get better we will all gain from it, including yourself. much of a muchness
 

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Re: Sven's Kiss of Death

I grant it's not easy but you've got to look at where the player is going to fit into the starting scheme, the QBs production, and previous rookies performance. They're not all starters in this league either eg Dwayne Jarrett and Ted Ginn are bye week backups at best.
That's the thing. Many people have selected no rookies. Some have. So, if there's an evaluation based on past points projection, then effectively all of those squads without rookies are being evaluated across 9 starters while someone like me will be evaluated across 6 or 7 starters.

So already such people's squads are deflated in comparison.

How about you do a rough one based on each person's #1 pick for that position? Just QB, WR, TE, DST, RB. I know some haven't a pick in that spot, but you could probably do a comparitive medium figure based on the best player/team available at the moment for the remaining slots.

I bet the rankings change a lot.
 

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Re: Sven's Kiss of Death

That's the thing. Many people have selected no rookies. Some have. So, if there's an evaluation based on past points projection, then effectively all of those squads without rookies are being evaluated across 9 starters while someone like me will be evaluated across 6 or 7 starters.

So already such people's squads are deflated in comparison.

How about you do a rough one based on each person's #1 pick for that position? Just QB, WR, TE, DST, RB. I know some haven't a pick in that spot, but you could probably do a comparitive medium figure based on the best player/team available at the moment for the remaining slots.
I await Sven's more extensive report he suggested...

will we receive this in the post or pdf format Sven. :D
 

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Re: Sven's Kiss of Death

The thing is too, with so many WR rookies on my list, and rookies on other peoples' lists...how are you able to project points??
you look at the past history of rookie picks in similar situations, eg for bowe look at history of first round picks at about pick 23 who start in a reasonable team and for jarrett look at second rounders who start for a reasonable team

so id draw a comparison between bowe and mark clayton, bowe taken at 23, clayton at 22 in 2005, both starting (i assume with bowe) in their first year, also could look at santonio holmes (25 in 2006), roddy white (27 in 2005), so the stats for mid first round rookie starters:

clayton 471 yards 2 Tds (10 starts)
white 446 yards and 3 Tds (8 starts)
holmes 824 yards 2 Tds

so you could expect maybe 600 yards 2 Tds

with jarrett (taken at 45 and projected to start), similar guys would be greg jennings taken at 52 in 2006, bethel johnson taken at 45 in 2003, boldin taken at 54 in 2003 and andre davis taken at 47 in 2002, all on edge of starting spots, thei stats:

jennings 632 yards 3 Tds (11 starts)
johnson 209 yards 2 Tds (5 starts)
boldin 1377 yards 8 Tds (16 starts) - the exception to the rule
davis 420 yards 6 Tds (4 starts)

so forgeting the freak that was boldin, you could expect maybe 500 yrds 3 Tds from jarrett

that is how you would go about predicting what those two guys might be able to produce this year
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

I was just thinking... unclear on the rules but are we allowed to trade next years picks away...??

If we can, I'd suggest, we dont allow it because I was thinking that such a trade could happen... but in essence this could result in a team being stacked for the playoffs as another team has flogged off their players looking ahead to next year....

understand what I'm thinking?
I'm all for randomness, chaos, and aping a 'League' in as many ways possible.

IMO, It'd be cool to be able to trade away future picks.

IMO, Also, I'd like to see a bit more freedom around trades. Ie, during a draft, all we can do pretty much is try to trade a slot for a slot. Can't give up two slots for a slot, etc. I'm not sure how that could work, if at all, given a squad of 16/17, but worth a thought.
 

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Re: Sven's Kiss of Death

you look at the past history of rookie picks in similar situations, eg for bowe look at history of first round picks at about pick 23 who start in a reasonable team and for jarrett look at second rounders who start for a reasonable team

so id draw a comparison between bowe and mark clayton, bowe taken at 23, clayton at 22 in 2005, both starting (i assume with bowe) in their first year, also could look at santonio holmes (25 in 2006), roddy white (27 in 2005), so the stats for mid first round rookie starters:

clayton 471 yards 2 Tds (10 starts)
white 446 yards and 3 Tds (8 starts)
holmes 824 yards 2 Tds

so you could expect maybe 600 yards 2 Tds

with jarrett (taken at 45 and projected to start), similar guys would be greg jennings taken at 52 in 2006, bethel johnson taken at 45 in 2003, boldin taken at 54 in 2003 and andre davis taken at 47 in 2002, all on edge of starting spots, thei stats:

jennings 632 yards 3 Tds (11 starts)
johnson 209 yards 2 Tds (5 starts)
boldin 1377 yards 8 Tds (16 starts) - the exception to the rule
davis 420 yards 6 Tds (4 starts)

so forgeting the freak that was boldin, you could expect maybe 500 yrds 3 Tds from jarrett

that is how you would go about predicting what those two guys might be able to produce this year
That's messy tho. Each draft class is different standard, different quality. Plus no one knows right now that Jarret isn't a best like Boldin.
Anything can happen. Why didn't you include the freak's numbers in there for an average?
 

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Re: Sven's Kiss of Death

That's the thing. Many people have selected no rookies. Some have. So, if there's an evaluation based on past points projection, then effectively all of those squads without rookies are being evaluated across 9 starters while someone like me will be evaluated across 6 or 7 starters.

So already such people's squads are deflated in comparison.

How about you do a rough one based on each person's #1 pick for that position? Just QB, WR, TE, DST, RB. I know some haven't a pick in that spot, but you could probably do a comparitive medium figure based on the best player/team available at the moment for the remaining slots.

I bet the rankings change a lot.
yeh but we know the hsitory of rookies in fantasy, you get the odd great one but typically they dont perform all that well, sven has based it on that, which is fair enough, cant be assuming both or one will have a boldinesque rookie year
 

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That's messy tho. Each draft class is different standard, different quality. Plus no one knows right now that Jarret isn't a best like Boldin.
Anything can happen. Why didn't you include the freak's numbers in there for an average?
because the freak numbers are an outlier and in such a small sample it gives a distorted sample mean which cannot then be an accurate measure of the population mean
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

I'm all for randomness, chaos, and aping a 'League' in as many ways possible.

IMO, It'd be cool to be able to trade away future picks.

IMO, Also, I'd like to see a bit more freedom around trades. Ie, during a draft, all we can do pretty much is try to trade a slot for a slot. Can't give up two slots for a slot, etc. I'm not sure how that could work, if at all, given a squad of 16/17, but worth a thought.
It can be done g.g

just trade up to a slot x (throw in the last round pick)....and offer slot a and b....

I dont like how future picks could end up to be honest... unless its done after the season
 

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Btw, I totally appreciate all the rankings done by dspeed, danielz, and sven, and in no way am i like upset or trying to inflate my squad higher than others etc. Because it's all wait n see and management.

But it's just interesting I guess to contemplate, because statistics can be used to tell many different stories. They can be manipulated.
 

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It can be done g.g

just trade up to a slot x (throw in the last round pick)....and offer slot a and b....

I dont like how future picks could end up to be honest... unless its done after the season

Well, i'm cool either way. It's dspeed's league and his ultimate call. Dont mind throwing ideas around anyway. Like I said, I just love the chaos and aping the league. My personal preference. But Im cool otherwise.
 

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Guys - we dont know... and working out averages isnt going to help, it may only just give comfort.

Higher picks obviously have higher chances of being a greater impact, and as a result getting more fantasy points. But this is no guarentee... a 7th rounder may be the best (but unlikely as the NFL teams do a lot of testing and analysis).

Johnson a #2 pick - comes in as an exceptional talent... very rare a WR goes that early?... becoming more common. = Fitzgerald

Jarrett was projected first round... fell to second... that raises alarm bells for me. Plus he is paired with a WR who is heavily favoured and I'd suggest the 2nd receiver in the carolina offense has little room for improvement. Jarrett could be a short yardage receiver as he doesnt have the speed?... that could be flipped in TD chances, but very airy fairy stuff.

Bowe... last 1st rounder right?... its been a long time since we have seen a good receiver in the KC offence... now they lose Green and have a rookie and a guy thats been a career backup throwing... and Kennison, etc whoever are still about. Early reports indicate his progress will be slow...

Ginn... regarding as a massive reach so maybe you say he is similar to Bowe (as that is where he should have gone)... however he may see some returning action... Chambers and Booker already exist... hard to see him doing much more than 400 yds and a couple of TDs... but obviously Miami want to prove they did the right thing and may give him a lot of opportunities to succeed.
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Future pick trading should not happen.

If we lose the pick that the players cost us, then we'd have to know who we're going to keep before time.

As for grading, I don't worry about what anyone thinks. If Taylor starts, Norwood starts, Hass comes back strongly, I'll be as strong as anyone.

They're not exactly BIG ifs, but if they come off, I'm laughing. If not, then I'll deal, and rectify it next season.
 
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