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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Guys - we dont know... and working out averages isnt going to help, it may only just give comfort.

Higher picks obviously have higher chances of being a greater impact, and as a result getting more fantasy points. But this is no guarentee... a 7th rounder may be the best (but unlikely as the NFL teams do a lot of testing and analysis).

Johnson a #2 pick - comes in as an exceptional talent... very rare a WR goes that early?... becoming more common. = Fitzgerald

Jarrett was projected first round... fell to second... that raises alarm bells for me. Plus he is paired with a WR who is heavily favoured and I'd suggest the 2nd receiver in the carolina offense has little room for improvement. Jarrett could be a short yardage receiver as he doesnt have the speed?... that could be flipped in TD chances, but very airy fairy stuff.

Bowe... last 1st rounder right?... its been a long time since we have seen a good receiver in the KC offence... now they lose Green and have a rookie and a guy thats been a career backup throwing... and Kennison, etc whoever are still about. Early reports indicate his progress will be slow...

Ginn... regarding as a massive reach so maybe you say he is similar to Bowe (as that is where he should have gone)... however he may see some returning action... Chambers and Booker already exist... hard to see him doing much more than 400 yds and a couple of TDs... but obviously Miami want to prove they did the right thing and may give him a lot of opportunities to succeed.

Yeah, that's all fair enough. That's the 'expectation' for each person there. Things dont always go to plan tho. I'm personally not uptight about the rankings, good on dspeed for being ranked so high by various sources and analysts here.

I just think of the NFL proper. Pre-season and early season team rankings. Yet often it all changes. You get your surprise packets (highly ranked teams that go down - Carolina, and poorly ranked teams that go high - Saints).
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Future pick trading should not happen.

If we lose the pick that the players cost us, then we'd have to know who we're going to keep before time.
Very good point.

Well, if we HAVE to lose our keepers' spots, then future trading isnt possible.

If our keepers dont cost a slot, then we can future trade.

Keeping 3 keepers is a good figure, and no reason they have to necessarily be lost slots IMO.

Chances are, the people who picked early will end up with a high team, so that in the end, next season, they get to start last in drafting....and taking away the snake draft would equalize that maybe?
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Yeah, that's all fair enough. That's the 'expectation' for each person there. Things dont always go to plan tho. I'm personally not uptight about the rankings, good on dspeed for being ranked so high by various sources and analysts here.

I just think of the NFL proper. Pre-season and early season team rankings. Yet often it all changes. You get your surprise packets (highly ranked teams that go down - Carolina, and poorly ranked teams that go high - Saints).
Either way we are just filling in time and keeping ourselves entertained.

Its interesting... people are all for rankings... or read them... then they come out and they say it doesnt matter...

well no it doesnt but its the 'general perception' of other people so if you've made a lot of left field choices at least in discussion your team isnt going to be held as high... most say dspeed no.1... I dont think he is with split carry backs but thats just my view.

Its the same as us having a WR ranking thread and discussing I guess... except here we are doing that but tieing that player to a fantasy team (which is irrelevant)... we are just comparing players, etc.
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Future pick trading should not happen.

If we lose the pick that the players cost us, then we'd have to know who we're going to keep before time.

As for grading, I don't worry about what anyone thinks. If Taylor starts, Norwood starts, Hass comes back strongly, I'll be as strong as anyone.

They're not exactly BIG ifs, but if they come off, I'm laughing. If not, then I'll deal, and rectify it next season.
i am not necessarily against pick trading, a note to do with your comment fuey, if you wanted to keep someone like Joe Bloggs who you orginally drafted in the 8th, but come next year you didn't have an 8th rounder as you had traded it, you would be forced to use a 7th rounder to keep him, if you were already using a 7th rounder to keep another player then you would be forced to use a 6th rounder, similarly as i have had two picks in each of rounds 4, 6, 8..., if i wanted to keep both dwill and bjax for example who i took in the 6th round, i would be forced to use a 5th and 6th, unless i somehow managed to trade in another 6th rounder, make sense or not? lol

so i would say you are welcome to trade picks, but be wary if you suddenly decide to trade your first round pick, you may not be able to keep this years first round player as yu dont have a pick to use, so you would be forced to either trade for a round 1 pick or lose that player! it comes down to the risks our willing to take, so i say let people trade future picks but it is a risk i personally would be unwilling to take (also, not picks 2 years in advance, makes it too complicated, only picks in next years draft)

also to do with this draft, people can trade multiple picks for 1, the person left without 16 picks would simply have to scour free agency at the end of the draft to make up their full complement, depending on whether there are a few people ooking to do the same there may be a 'free agency sort of' draft or 'best of the rest draft' after the main draft to make it fairer
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Yeah, that's all fair enough. That's the 'expectation' for each person there. Things dont always go to plan tho. I'm personally not uptight about the rankings, good on dspeed for being ranked so high by various sources and analysts here.

I just think of the NFL proper. Pre-season and early season team rankings. Yet often it all changes. You get your surprise packets (highly ranked teams that go down - Carolina, and poorly ranked teams that go high - Saints).
yeh but i am the pats, perenial contenders! :D
 

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i am not necessarily against pick trading, a note to do with your comment fuey, if you wanted to keep someone like Joe Bloggs who you orginally drafted in the 8th, but come next year you didn't have an 8th rounder as you had traded it, you would be forced to use a 7th rounder to keep him, if you were already using a 7th rounder to keep another player then you would be forced to use a 6th rounder, similarly as i have had two picks in each of rounds 4, 6, 8..., if i wanted to keep both dwill and bjax for example who i took in the 6th round, i would be forced to use a 5th and 6th, unless i somehow managed to trade in another 6th rounder, make sense or not? lol

so i would say you are welcome to trade picks, but be wary if you suddenly decide to trade your first round pick, you may not be able to keep this years first round player as yu dont have a pick to use, so you would be forced to either trade for a round 1 pick or lose that player! it comes down to the risks our willing to take, so i say let people trade future picks but it is a risk i personally would be unwilling to take (also, not picks 2 years in advance, makes it too complicated, only picks in next years draft)

also to do with this draft, people can trade multiple picks for 1, the person left without 16 picks would simply have to scour free agency at the end of the draft to make up their full complement, depending on whether there are a few people ooking to do the same there may be a 'free agency sort of' draft or 'best of the rest draft' after the main draft to make it fairer

I fear the scenario dspeed that its week 10... I suck (unlikely)... 1-9 or whatever so I decide I want to be ready for next year... you are 9-1... I trade to you Harrison, Moss, T.Jones... for you Round 1,2 and 4 picks in next years draft...

you just demolish everyone in our playoffs and everyone else cries foul.

did you say how many keepers we can have? I'm lazy.
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Very good point.

Well, if we HAVE to lose our keepers' spots, then future trading isnt possible.

If our keepers dont cost a slot, then we can future trade.

Keeping 3 keepers is a good figure, and no reason they have to necessarily be lost slots IMO.

Chances are, the people who picked early will end up with a high team, so that in the end, next season, they get to start last in drafting....and taking away the snake draft would equalize that maybe?
in this league keepers are tied to a slot, as they must be taken using a pick from the same round they were originally taken, not like some keeper leagues where it might just be rounds 1 2 3

in regards to the draft, i think a snake draft is still necessary as you are only keeping 3 players, not like the NFL where you keep a majority of your squad
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

I fear the scenario dspeed that its week 10... I suck (unlikely)... 1-9 or whatever so I decide I want to be ready for next year... you are 9-1... I trade to you Harrison, Moss, T.Jones... for you Round 1,2 and 4 picks in next years draft...

you just demolish everyone in our playoffs and everyone else cries foul.

did you say how many keepers we can have? I'm lazy.
yeh, keepers taken in their original draft round

in regards to that situation, it is a possibility, its similar to a team rebuiulding in the afl getting draft picks while the contenders stock up and have a tilt at the flag whilst their 'window' is open, as long as there is no collusion happening then it cant really be stopped, you would also have to consider whether getting early picks would necessarily be all that valuable as opposed to harrison, moss, jones etc, remember first round picks wont be as good as up to 48 players (you dont necessarily have to keep a full allotment of 3) will be off the board already
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

in this league keepers are tied to a slot, as they must be taken using a pick from the same round they were originally taken, not like some keeper leagues where it might just be rounds 1 2 3

in regards to the draft, i think a snake draft is still necessary as you are only keeping 3 players, not like the NFL where you keep a majority of your squad
My old keeper league used to be like ours is now... but think about it

If a team dominates... on the back of players he got in rounds 7-9... he then comes in and loads up with some more round 1-3 talent... only gets stronger.
Another team was moderate but that was with its round 1-3 players... so they are kept... they dont draft until round 4... only get worse.


If we didnt assign rounds to the players then you have your 3 best... regardless... then everyone drafts... with the teams from the bottom drafting first.

I see it rewards goods drafting... I dont know here... it could be ugly

This is exactly why I say dont push people to pick quicky if they dont want to because the whole league is built upon THIS draft.
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Point of order please Commissioner DSpeed!

Many teams adopt a hybrid TE/RB position called a HB these days. In this role he can line up as a traditional RB, FB or TE depending on the play called.

Unfortunately, there is no roster designastion for a HB, only RBs, TEs and, maybe FB.

If I select a HB and play him as a TE am I going to get crucified by our league if, as a TE he starts knocking up rushing TDs?
 

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yeh, keepers taken in their original draft round

in regards to that situation, it is a possibility, its similar to a team rebuiulding in the afl getting draft picks while the contenders stock up and have a tilt at the flag whilst their 'window' is open, as long as there is no collusion happening then it cant really be stopped, you would also have to consider whether getting early picks would necessarily be all that valuable as opposed to harrison, moss, jones etc, remember first round picks wont be as good as up to 48 players (you dont necessarily have to keep a full allotment of 3) will be off the board already
I dont think you can tie this to reality however, it could cause real problems.

Choice stays with yourself and the majority I guess but at worst we could see the bottom 8 trading players to the top 8 for 1st rounders or more, mass trading... etc... when is the trading deadline? maybe we should make this week 8ish... ?
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

How about?...

Next years squad must contain 2 Qbs, 3 Rbs, 3 WRs, 2 TEs, 2 DST, 2 K. As mandatory 14 players. Especially with a possible increase in expansion teams. And then there's an extra 2-6 rounds for squad backups, or trading away picks, etc.

But starting team is always 1 Qb, 2 Rbs, 2 WRs, 1 TE, 1 DST, 1 K. Ie, 6 bench players included in that mandatory minimum.

Ie, a mandatory minimum 14 in those mandatory positions. But there are actually like say 16 or 20 rounds of drafting where in the end, as part of managing the team, we can elect to not 'sign' players drafted, can elect to trade players away, can elect to trade 3 trade slots to move up in a round, etc.

Ie, at the end of 20 rounds of drafting, say, I might have only 16 players drafted because it's mandatory 14 - with many of those being part of the bench. While someone else might have decided to draft a full 20 players, and can use them for trade deals, or release them to FA before the season starts, etc.

But...you get to keep as many as maybe 4 players, and they don't cost you a future draft slot.

??
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Point of order please Commissioner DSpeed!

Many teams adopt a hybrid TE/RB position called a HB these days. In this role he can line up as a traditional RB, FB or TE depending on the play called.

Unfortunately, there is no roster designastion for a HB, only RBs, TEs and, maybe FB.

If I select a HB and play him as a TE am I going to get crucified by our league if, as a TE he starts knocking up rushing TDs?
We'd just go by what they are ... ie. RB, FB or TE

HB is just an open ended term, at the end of the day they are still a RB, FB or TE

Just like hester... CB or WR... just cuz he is a KR doesnt matter
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

My old keeper league used to be like ours is now... but think about it

If a team dominates... on the back of players he got in rounds 7-9... he then comes in and loads up with some more round 1-3 talent... only gets stronger.
Another team was moderate but that was with its round 1-3 players... so they are kept... they dont draft until round 4... only get worse.


If we didnt assign rounds to the players then you have your 3 best... regardless... then everyone drafts... with the teams from the bottom drafting first.

I see it rewards goods drafting... I dont know here... it could be ugly

This is exactly why I say dont push people to pick quicky if they dont want to because the whole league is built upon THIS draft.
exactly, this draft is very important, but that is how it is, i dont think someone should be made to use up a 3 rounder on someone they originally used a 7th on, in a keeper league you are rewardedfor good drafting, there is still the ability in future years to get guns late but it is how it works i suppose, the rules were there from the start so everyone knew (or had the ability to know if they had of read the rules), so bad luck i suppose, dont know what to say
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

We'd just go by what they are ... ie. RB, FB or TE

HB is just an open ended term, at the end of the day they are still a RB, FB or TE

Just like hester... CB or WR... just cuz he is a KR doesnt matter
Yeah but if i play Hester he takes a roster spot as a starting WR.

Of the skill positions, an (average) TE is the least valuable starter, so I could actually name a HB as my starting TE?
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

How about?...

Next years squad must contain 2 Qbs, 3 Rbs, 3 WRs, 2 TEs, 2 DST, 2 K. As mandatory 14 players. Especially with a possible increase in expansion teams. And then there's an extra 2-6 rounds for squad backups, or trading away picks, etc.

Ie, a mandatory minimum 14 in those mandatory positions. But there are actually like say 16 or 20 rounds of drafting where in the end, as part of managing the team, we can elect to not 'sign' players drafted, can elect to trade players away, can elect to trade 3 trade slots to move up in a round, etc.

Ie, at the end of 20 rounds of drafting, say, I might have only 16 players drafted because it's mandatory 14 - with many of those being part of the bench. While someone else might have decided to draft a full 20 players, and can use them for trade deals, or release them to FA before the season starts, etc.

But...you get to keep as many as maybe 4 players, and they don't cost you a future draft slot.

??
no team should be made to have 2 K or 2 DST, only requirements is a starting lineup and afte tht have what you want (up to the maximums prescribed on page 1)

and i really dont understand what you are getting at apart from that, i think it is fine as it is, start mucking aroung with it and it gets too complicated
 

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exactly, this draft is very important, but that is how it is, i dont think someone should be made to use up a 3 rounder on someone they originally used a 7th on, in a keeper league you are rewardedfor good drafting, there is still the ability in future years to get guns late but it is how it works i suppose, the rules were there from the start so everyone knew (or had the ability to know if they had of read the rules), so bad luck i suppose, dont know what to say
Exactly, I'm happy with that.

Just clarifying some things and trying to make this league as good as it can be, for the longevity... not just this year. From my experience year 1 is fantastic... year 2 is a drag... year 3 its dead... because of the issues we are discussing... teams get a great player cheap (Manning in the 8th round, will be Alex Smith in this instance, haha)... and they dominate for a long long time and there is not point waiting 5 years for him to go... haha.

From memory in this old keeper league I was in we lost the round tag after a few years... etc etc... it got complicated.

Thats why I am suggesting you keep 3... then we draft. but then you dont get rewarded for good drafting I agree... but at the end of the day you still have the option of keeping that player
 

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Yeah but if i play Hester he takes a roster spot as a starting WR.

Of the skill positions, an (average) TE is the least valuable starter, so I could actually name a HB as my starting TE?
no, the are in the position named by ESPN (who are very good in this regard and didnt have the Colston debarcle some sites had last year), generlly we know whether a player is a RB or TE, its pretty simple, if Antonio Gates starts getting some running yards then fine but he will always be a TE, as far as FBs go you can draft them as a RB, like Leonard which is fine, bit of a far fetched argument i think! :confused:

THEY ARE THE POSITION NAMED BY ESPN
 

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Yeah but if i play Hester he takes a roster spot as a starting WR.

Of the skill positions, an (average) TE is the least valuable starter, so I could actually name a HB as my starting TE?
that is not such thing as a HB from what I know... they will still be a TE or a RB, and you'll have to play them there
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

to be honest, people start getting ideas and it gets very complicated, so we have to go by what the rules were at the start of when we started drafting, cant change it now

you keep up to 3, can keep 0, 1 or 2, you take them with a pick in the round they were originally taken, simple
 

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Go with it anyway... its going to take a lot for this league to succeed anyway... with 16 individuals... maybe we make adjustments at that point (obvious friction with those who drafted well at that point).

stick by your rules dspeed ;) just keeping you on your toes
 

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Go with it anyway... its going to take a lot for this league to succeed anyway... with 16 individuals... maybe we make adjustments at that point (obvious friction with those who drafted well at that point).

stick by your rules dspeed ;) just keeping you on your toes
lol, while i think of it, you mentioned expansion teams, this isnt going to happen, 16 is the max IMO for fantasy leagues, orignally i wanted 12 but we moved to 16, the way in which someone like Sven might become involved is if someone for some reason drops out, either have a sook or simply cannot commit the time to it, Sven or someone else could then take over that team
 
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