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Re: Svens Draft Grades

I respect Sven's analysis and judgments, but it isn't definitive. It's just another opinion.....
I agree completely, I'm just having a bit of fun putting out MY analysis of the draft. All the analysis is based on my predictions and the research I've done into the draft. Other people have different analysis and different draft experiences to draw from, which causes them to make different decisions. Few decisions are black and white, most are in the grey areas though, that's what makes drafting an inexact science - assuming you actually use research to do your draft.

I'm not saying I'm right or that I'm wrong, only time will definitively tell who the strong teams are and who the weak ones are.

Drafting is only one part of the fantasy football process, there's also putting the right players on the park each week and then picking up players via trades and waiver wire action. With the competition being so deep, I'm not expecting a lot of waiver wire action though.

I just thought an independant view might liven up the draft debate.
 

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Re: Svens Draft Grades

Thanks for reviewing my WareWolves, and everyone else's teams :thumbsu: also for being generous with the grade (my first 2 picks are money for jam, but the rest are pretty risky I think)

This is actually the first time I've ever participated in a fantasy draft/league thingy (in any sport) and my biggest mistake was that I didn't read this "Fantasy Football 101" article that I've only now just stumbled across :rolleyes: so yeah I've made some rookie mistakes (couple of homer picks, 'neglecting' RB position, taking positions in order instead of BPA, rushing my picks etc..)
I think with most things, the more you do something, the better you get at it. This is the exact reason I'm following this draft, so that I can do a better job next time I have to do a draft. Hope the comments helped.
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Sven,

Please don't give me a D and send me to the corner with a DUNCE hat with my pants around my ankles. I regret overlooking several RB with my first two cracks...but I think Brandon Jacobs could well be a handy pick up.

Appreciate your pre-season reviews. :thumbsu: Happyy to prove you wrong... ;)
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Sven,

Please don't give me a D and send me to the corner with a DUNCE hat with my pants around my ankles. I regret overlooking several RB with my first two cracks...but I think Brandon Jacobs could well be a handy pick up.

Appreciate your pre-season reviews. :thumbsu: Happyy to prove you wrong... ;)
Grade withheld perhaps??
 

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Re: Svens Draft Grades

I agree completely, I'm just having a bit of fun putting out MY analysis of the draft. All the analysis is based on my predictions and the research I've done into the draft. Other people have different analysis and different draft experiences to draw from, which causes them to make different decisions. Few decisions are black and white, most are in the grey areas though, that's what makes drafting an inexact science - assuming you actually use research to do your draft.

I'm not saying I'm right or that I'm wrong, only time will definitively tell who the strong teams are and who the weak ones are.

Drafting is only one part of the fantasy football process, there's also putting the right players on the park each week and then picking up players via trades and waiver wire action. With the competition being so deep, I'm not expecting a lot of waiver wire action though.

I just thought an independant view might liven up the draft debate.
Totally appreciate your independant analysis too! Love it! Brings out debate and discussion, all in good spirits.

I'll let the "assuming you use research" comment slide ;)
 

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Re: Svens Draft Grades

Totally appreciate your independant analysis too! Love it! Brings out debate and discussion, all in good spirits.

I'll let the "assuming you use research" comment slide ;)
I wasn't actually referring to anyone with that comment, I just though I should chuck it in!
 

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Re: Svens Draft Grades

I wasn't actually referring to anyone with that comment, I just though I should chuck it in!
Lol, well it's still valid to throw it out there because from time to time or a lot of the time, all of us have shown poor research....it would seem.

Not me tho, I'm the best draft picker ever, some NFL team should hire me. Miami maybe there's an opening...
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

I won't even consider that seeing as I'm perfect and that won't ever happen.
from the other thread, thought id bring it here

fact is your team doesnt match up well on paper which is all we can go on

  • you decided to go for a lot of RBs early but in reality ended up with only 1 decent one
  • westy is a gun but then
  • jones in the 2nd will be a bust seeing as though he never sees the endzone
  • foster will be surpassed by Williams (teams don't waste a first rounder on a RB to see him sit behind someone who has had a chance and failed)
  • Green is old, in a poor team that is in a good division meaning they will have to pass earlier in games, he is behind an unproven QB, nota good recipe
  • your WRs are fairly pathetic, berrian was a flash in the pan last year, grossman isnt good enough to make him a good fantasy reciever, jarrett and bowe are both rookies and rarely are rookie WRs viable fantasy options
  • you will end up with an average TE
  • Oakland will be a middle of the road fantasy DST
  • the only area you are alright is at QB in my opinion
going to be a long year for you, good luck!
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

from the other thread, thought id bring it here

fact is your team doesnt match up well on paper which is all we can go on
  • you decided to go for a lot of RBs early but in reality ended up with only 1 decent one
  • westy is a gun but then
  • jones in the 2nd will be a bust seeing as though he never sees the endzone
  • foster will be surpassed by Williams (teams don't waste a first rounder on a RB to see him sit behind someone who has had a chance and failed)
  • Green is old, in a poor team that is in a good division meaning they will have to pass earlier in games, he is behind an unproven QB, nota good recipe
  • your WRs are fairly pathetic, berrian was a flash in the pan last year, grossman isnt good enough to make him a good fantasy reciever, jarrett and bowe are both rookies and rarely are rookie WRs viable fantasy options
  • you will end up with an average TE
  • Oakland will be a middle of the road fantasy DST
  • the only area you are alright is at QB in my opinion
going to be a long year for you, good luck!
1. Westbrook, Green for sure will get big numbers in 2007. Jones, Foster both considered to share the load. Sounds good to me. I got 4 RBs early, good tactic.

2. Berrian will break 1,000. Jarrett, Bowe (and my others yet chosen) will provide more than enough points in 2007.

3. The two TEs I have earmarked will do very well in 2007. TE per se is not so huge an influence anyway.

4. Oakland will end up top 5 ranked DST in 2007.

5. QB, I aint done there yet either.

Right now you can't see it, but in hindsight, you will genuflect before me.
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

1. Westbrook, Green for sure will get big numbers in 2007. Jones, Foster both considered to share the load. Sounds good to me. I got 4 RBs early, good tactic.

2. Berrian will break 1,000. Jarrett, Bowe (and my others yet chosen) will provide more than enough points in 2007.

3. The two TEs I have earmarked will do very well in 2007. TE per se is not so huge an influence anyway.

4. Oakland will end up top 5 ranked DST in 2007.

5. QB, I aint done there yet either.

Right now you can't see it, but in hindsight, you will genuflect before me.
1. just because you got 4 RBs early doesnt make it good, quality over quantity i say, if you cant get the quality at RB get quality elsewhere i say, jones was a shocking pick when you consider there were other RBs who were clear starters and gun WRs left

2. berrian will be lucky to get 1000 yards, certainly not consistent enough to be a number 1 fantasy WR in a team, and you cant trust a rookie WR in any game, too hit or miss

3. you still have to get those two TEs, i am guessing one is Johnson and the other is one of Olsen or Graham, that is still a big dropoff frm Gates, Heap, Shockey, Gonzo etc

4. Oakland no chance of being a top 5 D, i'll remind you of this at the end of the year when hey finish around 10-16!

5. i said you were good at QB, i couldnt care less if you get a backup as it would be stupid to start someone over bulger

i am confident in saying you won't be seeing playoff action
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Truth & Lies - Daniel as mediator:

...

  • you decided to go for a lot of RBs early but in reality ended up with only 1 decent one
    I would suggest he could end up with a Green & Westbrook starting combo, Green has been getting rave reviews. Jones and Foster WILL be split carry backs with pretty good numbers.
  • westy is a gun but then
  • jones in the 2nd will be a bust seeing as though he never sees the endzone
    Yes this is a negative, but it doesnt make him a complete rubbish back. We had slim pickings, he has a real chance to be the main back.
  • foster will be surpassed by Williams (teams don't waste a first rounder on a RB to see him sit behind someone who has had a chance and failed)
    Williams isnt sitting, he is splitting 50:50 and that will continue. Foster still has plenty to give... expect to see Carolina run over teams late in games... WITH split carry backs. Foster would be more likely to get redzone carries sorry to break it.
  • Green is old, in a poor team that is in a good division meaning they will have to pass earlier in games, he is behind an unproven QB, nota good recipe
    see above, only speculation but he is THE starter
  • your WRs are fairly pathetic, berrian was a flash in the pan last year, grossman isnt good enough to make him a good fantasy reciever, jarrett and bowe are both rookies and rarely are rookie WRs viable fantasy options
    agree
  • you will end up with an average TE
    perhaps, who knows
  • Oakland will be a middle of the road fantasy DST
    (a) this is why I dont draft DST early, (b) there is nothing to suggest this. they are a good D, may not = fantasy points, thats the same in ANY case
  • the only area you are alright is at QB in my opinion
going to be a long year for you, good luck!
1. Westbrook, Green for sure will get big numbers in 2007. Jones, Foster both considered to share the load. Sounds good to me. I got 4 RBs early, good tactic.

2. Berrian will break 1,000. Jarrett, Bowe (and my others yet chosen) will provide more than enough points in 2007.
yes Berrian, dont know about the other two.

3. The two TEs I have earmarked will do very well in 2007. TE per se is not so huge an influence anyway.
its a position all the same, if you've got a good one it can be a huge plus

4. Oakland will end up top 5 ranked DST in 2007.
as above.

5. QB, I aint done there yet either.
We await in interest. I've got my two ;)

Right now you can't see it, but in hindsight, you will genuflect before me.
g.g has questions... but there is time to go and I've got a lot of other teams worse off than him at THIS POINT.

I dont think you can be critical on RB picks speed, yours make a lot of sence based on upside but you have a lot of questions at 2nd RB until any of this eventuates (if it does)... g.g does not in Westbrook and Green.

Denver DST... Oakland DST... who knows... who cares?... much of a muchness, depends who is injured when they play certain teams, the conditions of the games, etc etc... par for me.

But between the two of you... g.g has a far better QB... better RBs collectively... lesser WRs but that is a result of draft position to some extent.... and no TE... par for me.
 

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Brasher (and his Bail Jumpers)

Original picks 5, 28, 37, 60, 69, 92, 101, 124, 133, 156 traded up in round 6 (pick 92 for 82), and down in round 7 (pick 101 for 111)
Thus ended up with 5, 28, 37, 60, 69, 82, 111, 124, 133, 156

Selection order RB, RB, WR, WR, QB, WR, WR, TE, DST

5. Willie Parker RB
28. Edgerrin James RB
37. Darrell Jackson WR
60. Reggie Brown WR
69. Jay Cutler QB
82. Laveranues Coles WR
111. Matt Jones WR
124. Heath Miller TE
133. New York Jets DST

Went with the back-yard bully, Wille Parker in round 1, can be inconsistent against quality defences, but torched it up a few times against below average competition last year.
Took the Edge in round 2, I would expect James' numbers to improve this year, with Leinart's development at QB making the difference
Reached for Darrell Jackson in round 3. You've got to be wary of WRs moving teams as it can be a bit of a lottery, IMO better value here in Javon Walker or Marques Colston
Made no mistakes in round 4 selecting WR Reggie Brown
In round 5 made a good value pick with QB Jay Cutler, the third 2nd year QB taken, Brett Favre or Matt Shaub may have also been considered
In round 6 took full advantage of his better draft spot with WR Laveranues Coles
Reached for WR Matt Jones in round 7, Matt projects as the 3rd wideout at Jacksonville, Greg Jennings (2nd WR at GB) was probably a better pick
Took Heath Miller in round 8 and the Jets DST in round 9. I'm no fan of the Jets pick, but DST can be a bit of a minefield after the top 4 or 5, so its hard to criticise the pick.

Overall Brasher started strong, but became a bit inconsistent as the draft progressed with a couple of questionable picks, has a good 1-2 punch at RB, and three solid WRs
Brasher is up against some quality opposition in the BFC, but should be competitive.

Grade B-
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Truth & Lies - Daniel as mediator:





g.g has questions... but there is time to go and I've got a lot of other teams worse off than him at THIS POINT.

I dont think you can be critical on RB picks speed, yours make a lot of sence based on upside but you have a lot of questions at 2nd RB until any of this eventuates (if it does)... g.g does not in Westbrook and Green.

Denver DST... Oakland DST... who knows... who cares?... much of a muchness, depends who is injured when they play certain teams, the conditions of the games, etc etc... par for me.

But between the two of you... g.g has a far better QB... better RBs collectively... lesser WRs but that is a result of draft position to some extent.... and no TE... par for me.
deangelo will end up with more carries over the season then deshaun trust me, he will be the starting back with 70% of carries

green has to prove to me he can stay on the field and then even then work with a poor o-line

draft position has nothing to do with my good WRs, everyone else in round 2 before me had a chance at Holt, Johnson, Wayne and Owens but instead went with some questionable second tier backs

on par my (insert expletive)
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

deangelo will end up with more carries over the season then deshaun trust me, he will be the starting back with 70% of carries

green has to prove to me he can stay on the field and then even then work with a poor o-line

draft position has nothing to do with my good WRs, everyone else in round 2 before me had a chance at Holt, Johnson, Wayne and Owens but instead went with some questionable second tier backs

on par my (insert expletive)
Thats fine. Your view... I was just providing a second opinion.

I think you've got such high hopes for DeAngelo that you starting to blur it with the facts. Dont forget he needs to prove himself also... I still stand by what I say... its 50:50 with Foster more likely to get redzone carries. There is no reason for them to make Williams the exclusive back... being 50:50 makes them stronger (hence Dallas are going in that direction it would seem with Jones and Barber). In terms of longevity and injury yeah I agree, Williams in the better pick and I'd make it.

I take back the draft comment, I was going to delete it after. The draft is what you make of it... in getting those WRs you have weak RB corps... and in getting the RBs g.g has a weak WR corps... however to draw attention to what has been said all along... the RB corps is more important.

Same with my draft... I sacrifised McGahee to get a A+ WR because of the fear I'd miss out on Smith/Harrison/C.Johnson... decisions like this everywhere.
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Thats fine. Your view... I was just providing a second opinion.

I think you've got such high hopes for DeAngelo that you starting to blur it with the facts. Dont forget he needs to prove himself also... I still stand by what I say... its 50:50 with Foster more likely to get redzone carries. There is no reason for them to make Williams the exclusive back... being 50:50 makes them stronger (hence Dallas are going in that direction it would seem with Jones and Barber). In terms of longevity and injury yeah I agree, Williams in the better pick and I'd make it.

I take back the draft comment, I was going to delete it after. The draft is what you make of it... in getting those WRs you have weak RB corps... and in getting the RBs g.g has a weak WR corps... however to draw attention to what has been said all along... the RB corps is more important.

Same with my draft... I sacrifised McGahee to get a A+ WR because of the fear I'd miss out on Smith/Harrison/C.Johnson... decisions like this everywhere.
i would argue however that my WRs are much better then his RBs are better then mine (if you can understand that, lol), i have two A+ recievers and an A+ RB, he has only one A+ at either position i would argue, i think that puts me out on top, the difference between green + jones and williams + jackson is not as big as the difference between johnson + holt and berrian + jarrett
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

i would argue however that my WRs are much better then his RBs are better then mine (if you can understand that, lol), i have two A+ recievers and an A+ RB, he has only one A+ at either position i would argue, i think that puts me out on top, the difference between green + jones and williams + jackson is not as big as the difference between johnson + holt and berrian + jarrett
Couldnt agree more... and the remainder is covered by his advantage at QB.

Hence my par call... you've kinda walked into that, haha

I think it shows there really isnt much between you both... and with g.g pretty commonly rated as the 7th-10th best team? it shows 'on paper' things are pretty even.
 

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g.g. (and the Apocalypse)

Original picks 6, 27, 38, 59, 70, 91, 102, 123, 134, 155
Left with 6, 27, 38, 66, 70, 98, 102, 130, 134 after the act of generosity to dspeed

Selection order RB, RB, QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, DST

6. Brian Westbrook RB
27. Julius Jones RB
38. Marc Bulger QB
66. DeShaun Foster RB
70. Ahman Green RB
98. Bernard Berrian WR
102. Dwayne Jarrett WR
130. Dwayne Bowe WR
134. Oakland DST

Took RBs Brian Westbrook in round 1 and Julius Jones in round 2. Jones is a reach IMO, as he will split carries with Marion Barber who got most of the TDs at Dallas last year, Marshawn Lynch or Edgerrin James should have been considered
In round 3 went with St Louis QB Marc Bulger which is a quality pick
In round 4 reached for another RB in DeShaun Foster, could have taken Jamal Lewis or Brandon Jackson instead or a quality WR (Laveranues Coles or Braylon Edwards))
RB Ahman Green in round 5 was a quality pick and the 4th RB taken by the Apocalypse
WR Bernard Berrian in round 6 was a solid pick and the first WR taken by g.g.
In rounds 7 and 8 went with rookie wideouts Dwaynes Jarrett and Bowe. One of these players has to step up and take the 2nd WR slot at the Apocalypse
In round 9 took Oakland's DST which I rank in the bottom quarter of all NFL teams. As stated for Brasher, DSTs are notoriously difficult to predict after the first 4 or 5 teams, so we'll have to wait and see.

After 9 rounds of the draft g.g. has 4 solid RBs and a mediocre set of WRs in his team, I would have preferred to see a quality WR such as Coles or Edwards taken in the 4th, but that's my opinion.
Could struggle in the very competitive BFC, although if either Jarrett or Bowe have a banner rookie season, could surprise

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

What is happening!!! Nothing, that is what!!

Although some good overviews by Sven going on, so :thumbsu: for those. At least keeping some interest on this thread alive.

MIZZA - COME ON YOUNG MAN!
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

What is happening!!! Nothing, that is what!!

Although some good overviews by Sven going on, so :thumbsu: for those. At least keeping some interest on this thread alive.

MIZZA - COME ON YOUNG MAN!
It is frustrating... I had my pick made up a long time ago. Pretty much at the point I made my last pick so its hard because I knew I was only 5 guys away (10 picks however).

Now I'm getting doubts as to if that player will be available.
 

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Re: BigFooty Fantasy Football League

Couldnt agree more... and the remainder is covered by his advantage at QB.

Hence my par call... you've kinda walked into that, haha

I think it shows there really isnt much between you both... and with g.g pretty commonly rated as the 7th-10th best team? it shows 'on paper' things are pretty even.
i would say the gap is even bigger then the difference at QB, young using his legs will mean he will end up a top 7 or so QB, Bulger will be around 4-6, so wont be that big a difference, also factor in the TE and i am ahead

and yeh it should be even, that is why the snake draft works, some complain about it but i think you only have to look at Cass to see that drafting late in round 1 can be good
 
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