Bias between state player

[dan warna]

Katich got his recall by scoring 1,500 Shield runs in a single season, at a time when there happened to be a batting vacancy. When Dussey does that I'll be the first person advocating his selection.

How many 1000 run seasons has dhussey had in a row? he's not a one season wonder.

you'll find that when kattich got his 1500, hussey was second most runs in a season that season, with in excess of a 1000 again.

The argument against some players is 1 season doesn't count, the argument against other players is what are you doing right now? we don't care that you've done it year in year out.

Hughes was selected on previous form, not current form, Kattich was selected on current form, not previous failures.

dhussey has done it season in season out and is probably going to go close to another 1000 run FC season this year again with about 500 at 47 this year again.

and you do want to select a player who has consistent form, not just a 1 season wonder right? oh apply that concept only when suitable...

 

[aneale]

5 year test player? drop Katich, Haddin, punter and Hussey now...probably harris as well.

And yet 2 years ago, he did better than smith from a worse position (batting at 8) and was dropped.

McDonald did better than smith and was dropped.

Hodge did better than Clarke, Smith and Hughes and was dropped

deano did better than many and was dropped much to the annoyance of border.

<shrug>

Well I've said that. With the exception of Hussey whose series has saved him, I wouldn't play any of them in another test series.

I'd be playing Hughes, Paine and Khawaja in their place. I've never rated Harris, and at 31 is exactly what the problem with Australian cricket is.

McDonald has been injured or he'd have been in, the problem is he is the same sort of player as Watson. Watson should be batting at 6 and bowling more which leaves McDonald on the outer. He needs to be way more explosive as a cricketer if he wants to make it as a decent test alrounder.

Hodge is a decent middle order batsmen but lest not talk him up like some saviour just because he got a test match 200. He was unlucky, but wasn't the future, just like Moody, like Love, like Lehmann, like Law they were all stiff at various times in their career.

But White is not a test cricketers arseh*le despite being a good ODI'er and an OK Shield player, in one of the worst periods of the Shield in a very long time.

 

[Caesar]

How many 1000 run seasons has dhussey had in a row? he's not a one season wonder.

you'll find that when kattich got his 1500, hussey was second most runs in a season that season, with in excess of a 1000 again.

The argument against some players is 1 season doesn't count, the argument against other players is what are you doing right now? we don't care that you've done it year in year out.

Hughes was selected on previous form, not current form, Kattich was selected on current form, not previous failures.

dhussey has done it season in season out and is probably going to go close to another 1000 run FC season this year again with about 500 at 47 this year again.

and you do want to select a player who has consistent form, not just a 1 season wonder right? oh apply that concept only when suitable...

This just highlights what a complete and utter lack of credibility you have on anything to do with this topic. Katich's recall is in no way, shape or form comparable to Hughes'. The man broke the alltime record for most runs in a Shield season, for Christ's sake. But no, it's state bias keeping the Welshies in and the Vics out.

How's that tinfoil hat working out for you?

 

[Smokey_22]

How many 1000 run seasons has dhussey had in a row? he's not a one season wonder.

you'll find that when kattich got his 1500, hussey was second most runs in a season that season, with in excess of a 1000 again.

The argument against some players is 1 season doesn't count, the argument against other players is what are you doing right now? we don't care that you've done it year in year out.

Hughes was selected on previous form, not current form, Kattich was selected on current form, not previous failures.

dhussey has done it season in season out and is probably going to go close to another 1000 run FC season this year again with about 500 at 47 this year again.

and you do want to select a player who has consistent form, not just a 1 season wonder right? oh apply that concept only when suitable...

I rate Dave Hussey very highly, but he simply hasnt stood out from other contenders when needed. Hes been very unlucky. Much like a lot of other state players.

 

[davis_756]

The facts are NSW players are given a free ride into international cricket, there is a clear bias no matter which way you slice it.

Spinners -

McGain was the only spinner we had in domestic cricket with a bowling average under 50, he was a mile better then any other spinner we had at the time yet we tried 3-4 other guys before him and then only gave him the 1 test to prove himself.

Meanwhile Hauritz who couldn't spin a cricket ball on a minefield was given an extended run in the side against crap test nations.

Then there is Smith, remind me again what this kid has done to get a game? He is much like Cameron White except he doesn't have any technique to his batting & White has captained Victoria to the last 15 or so finals in every form of the game. White was just as promising 5 years ago and we never mentioned his name for the test side, what makes Smith special?

Openers -

Remember a guy called Chris Rogers? He was the countries best opening batsman with Phil Jaques and got given 1 game to prove himself. He moved to Victoria and never got mentioned again despite being named the One Day player of the year the next season.

On the other hand you have Hughes who has been averaging 15 runs domestically all year, one injury and suddenly he is an automatic lock regardless of form?


Then there was Hodge getting dumped averaging 50 to bring Clarke back into the side because he is supposedly the next coming of Christ and our future captain of Australia. Tell me what he has done this series? The only time he didn't fail was a game we had already lost and even then he still cracked under the pressure of facing out the last over of a day against a BATSMAN.

Kuwarja or w/e I have no problem with, he is the most in form domestic cricketer behind Andrew McDonald and should be in the side in place of smith/clarke.

The most irritating thing though is NSW people don't care about sports yet any borderline selection always seem to be in their favour. Slater for example is the most one eyed commentator I have ever heard, I'd rather listen to Eddie commentate on a Collingwood game then this knob jockey.

 

[SCRAY72]

Won't debate the NSW bias topic, this will remain an issue in the short term, but playing Smith at 6 in an ashes test ahead of Ferguson,D.Hussey,Marsh and Bailey is a joke.
I thought it would be justified by him bowling a long spell of leg spin.He was
obviously picked as a batsman.

Selections during this series have been hilarious and often tragic.

 

[Cleavy]

The facts are NSW players are given a free ride into international cricket, there is a clear bias no matter which way you slice it.

Gavin Robertson board

 

[peternorth]

Gavin Robertson board

nathan bracken board

 

[aneale]

The facts are NSW players are given a free ride into international cricket, there is a clear bias no matter which way you slice it.

Spinners -

McGain was the only spinner we had in domestic cricket with a bowling average under 50, he was a mile better then any other spinner we had at the time yet we tried 3-4 other guys before him and then only gave him the 1 test to prove himself.

The bloke is 38 and rubbish, not even a Dutchy Holland, fair enough. He shouldn't be allowed to play for Victoria let alone Australia. CA should show some balls and adios some of these list cloggers holding the game back

Meanwhile Hauritz who couldn't spin a cricket ball on a minefield was given an extended run in the side against crap test nations.

Then there is Smith, remind me again what this kid has done to get a game? He is much like Cameron White except he doesn't have any technique to his batting & White has captained Victoria to the last 15 or so finals in every form of the game. White was just as promising 5 years ago and we never mentioned his name for the test side, what makes Smith special?

His age makes him persevering with, White couldn't get past Warne, Out of two blokes who cant bowl that well and are no great shakes with the bat either you'd pick the younger hoping the improvement is greater

Openers -

Remember a guy called Chris Rogers? He was the countries best opening batsman with Phil Jaques and got given 1 game to prove himself. He moved to Victoria and never got mentioned again despite being named the One Day player of the year the next season.

Once again the guy is 33, he wasn't the best opener, he got a game because Haydos did a hammy. He made 4 & 15, you make it sound like he got picked on form over someone else and dropped. He was a 1 test player from the outset, bit like the other Wayne Phillips, now there was a gimme Vic selection that I don't here any of you mention.

On the other hand you have Hughes who has been averaging 15 runs domestically all year, one injury and suddenly he is an automatic lock regardless of form?

There is nothing automatic about it, but the series is gone, no big deal about playing him now, he wasn't the reason for the downfall certainly and at 22 is a better prospect than the middle aged hacks we have opening around the country, he also has 2 test hundreds, which is one more than Hodge could manage

Then there was Hodge getting dumped averaging 50 to bring Clarke back into the side because he is supposedly the next coming of Christ and our future captain of Australia. Tell me what he has done this series? The only time he didn't fail was a game we had already lost and even then he still cracked under the pressure of facing out the last over of a day against a BATSMAN.

Whats Hodge done this year? apart from being a miserable old bastard? Clarke made a century in that second innings in Adelaide against India, the team then went to the West Indies and Hodge played as Clarke was injured. Clarke came in in the second test and did what? ..... that's right made another test century, so consecutive test 100's. In fact 2 of 14 test hundreds he has, Hodge got a 200 in a second innings where Brett Lee as a nightwatchmen at # 3 scored 32. Lets not get carried away just because Hodge scored a 200. Guys like Lehmann and Law deserve to be more aggrieved that Brad Hodge.

Kuwarja or w/e I have no problem with, he is the most in form domestic cricketer behind Andrew McDonald and should be in the side in place of smith/clarke.

The most irritating thing though is NSW people don't care about sports yet any borderline selection always seem to be in their favour. Slater for example is the most one eyed commentator I have ever heard, I'd rather listen to Eddie commentate on a Collingwood game then this knob jockey.

So what, because Victorians love their sport then the test team should be made up of Victorians. There has been some pretty crap Vic selections over the years, Tony Dodemaide, Simon O'Donnell, Simon Davis, Wayne Phillips II, Brad Williams (who had to move to Perth to show us how crap he was), ditto Simon Cook, who despite taking 5 for against NZ he was ruthlessly axed in favour of Glenn McGrath I know. How about Julien Wiener, now there was an inspired selection.

 

[peternorth]

So what, because Victorians love their sport then the test team should be made up of Victorians. There has been some pretty crap Vic selections over the years, Tony Dodemaide, Simon O'Donnell, Simon Davis, Wayne Phillips II, Brad Williams (who had to move to Perth to show us how crap he was), ditto Simon Cook, who despite taking 5 for against NZ he was ruthlessly axed in favour of Glenn McGrath I know. How about Julien Wiener, now there was an inspired selection.

actually simon cook only got a game after moving to NSW

 

[Bombermania]

I agree that Cameron White has not done enough to be in the test side but Brad Hodge is a different matter, yes he has retired but did he want to or was it due to a lack of opportunities.

Why is Hauritz not in the test team? during the test commendary it sounded like some sort of bust up had occurred?

 

[aneale]

actually simon cook only got a game after moving to NSW

yes as the 'ditto' before his name would suggest after mentioning Brad William's move

 

[peternorth]

yes as the 'ditto' before his name would suggest after mentioning Brad William's move

yes except cook didnt move to wa

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

The most irritating thing though is NSW people don't care about sports yet any borderline selection always seem to be in their favour. Slater for example is the most one eyed commentator I have ever heard, I'd rather listen to Eddie commentate on a Collingwood game then this knob jockey.

This is my favourite quote of the thread. I was literally wiping tears of laughter away for a solid 3 minutes.

Thanks

 

[dumb]

sometimes pointing to bias between state players is just a symptom of your own bias problems. see it quite a bit in reference to commentary (football and cricket). there's times you get the impression england commentators have to tongue the assholes of the australian players to be considered neutral by our viewing public. never mind england playing well, a commentator mentions this... bias.

i can understand that players have question marks over their selections but to be pre-occupied over which state they come from is kind of bizarre. an alternative system where there's a strict number of national players from each state would be even worse.

 

[PowerForGood]

According to some, we need more NSW bias, not less.
Malcolm Conn, The Australian

<italics are my comments>

"The Cricket Australia board is having a detailed governance review which will end in October. The board should review itself out of existence.
A plodding, reactive, 19th century anachronism failing to keep pace in an ever-changing 21st century world, it should be replaced with a proactive, forward-thinking independent commission not bound in parochial state-based chains."

"The board structure is even more unfathomable. Victoria, NSW and South Australia, as founding members of the board, have three votes each, Western Australia and Queensland two and Tasmania one.
Why do Victoria and South Australia have more than a third of the board votes between them when neither has made a significant contribution to Australian cricket in recent decades."

"The states, which appoint delegates to the CA board in a bizarre and lopsided fashion, were recycling modest players to represent them instead of taking a broader long-term view to produce future talent for their country."

So obviously, there must be a real bias towards states that have representation on the CA board.

"It is another anachronism of Australian cricket that its headquarters are based in Victoria given its relatively poor ongoing contribution to producing cricketers of quality, particularly batsmen.
Of the top 30 run scorers for Australia, Victoria has just three. Bill Lawry is 16th, Ian Redpath 18th and Dean Jones 26th. The bowling isn't much better despite having Warne at the top."

BUT ONLY ONE VIC PLAYER IN THE TEAM

"South Australia's influence is completely out of proportion to its results. It has the current chairman, Jack Clarke, the former chairman, Creagh O'Connor, chairman of selectors Andrew Hilditch and another selector on the four-man panel, Jamie Cox, who is also SA's director of cricket.
It has produced only Ian and Greg Chappell and Clem Hill among Australia's top 30 run scorers and is in a similar position with its bowlers."

BUT NO SA PLAYERS IN THE TEAM.

So, what should CA do?

"If the headquarters was based on success or the production of Australian players, it would be firmly in Sydney and if it was about the future it would be with CA's cricket academy in Brisbane."

So, this is the answer to our woes.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/change-has-to-come-starting-from-the-top/story-e6frg7rx-1225978225223