Big 4 Voters , Thoughts please

[Hammerfire]

Ah but Froars, i was banned from PRE for having my own say.

Problem was, what i said had more to do with racism and stereotyping than politics.

So i am quite familiar with how PRE works.

Your factual point is right, your just carrying on and blowing it up way too much.

 

[froars]

Your factual point is right, your just carrying on and blowing it up way too much

Hardly said a word on that site LATELY - the topic is here - i'm just responding now!

 

[Heisenberg_]

Or put simply:

Rosy is to The Big 4 as Oxx n co. are to Casey's ticket

difference being oxx isnt a stupid fat bitch who is an administrator which rosy is and deletes posts that she doesnt agree with, or ban people for showing an opininion that she disagrees with and oxx doesnt speak to the medea about his opinions on the election rosy has

 

[Hammerfire]

Great, there goes a mature discussion down the drain!

 

[oxx]

Bottom line is there are obviously more voices than that of pre,which because of the way it is run,paints a false picture of the supporter and his views.
Going by the numbers that came back today pre made a rather large noise for
such a minority.

Evidence in it's simplest form that by quoting that place you will end up nowhere near the truth of the matter but rather sensationalising the conceptual opinion of a certain few.

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

All I have to say I hope this loss hurts those who run PRE deeply

just goes to show they arent as big and powerful as their administrator thinks they are

Nice salt in the wounds loss this one, i hope it cuts deep, wouldnt be suprised if some of them arent even RFC members next year, would just about prove how much they have Richmond's best interests at heart.

 

[IDGAF]

Bottom line is there are obviously more voices than that of pre,which because of the way it is run,paints a false picture of the supporter and his views.
Going by the numbers that came back today pre made a rather large noise for
such a minority.

Evidence in it's simplest form that by quoting that place you will end up nowhere near the truth of the matter but rather sensationalising the conceptual opinion of a certain few.

I gave you three votes oxx for your dry , sarcastic , acid tongue and wit . But ..... that is the best piece of rationale` i`ve heard in a long while

I`m still waiting for Weavers diatribe on how they lost . That boy has an answer for everything so this one should be a gem

 

[IDGAF]

RALMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

All through this election , PRE had the Big 4 with thier noses in front while over here it was a Casey - Miller landslide .

We know who the real voice is don`t we .

 

[Infamy]

I found it quite funny that the poll on the front page of PRE predicted the 60-40 split that we eventually got. Rosy was convinced that the poll had been tampered with because there were so many votes, despite the % for each selection hardly moving. I'm sure it was really because she didn't expect the alternative to be behind, especially for the official unofficial/alternative website.
I think an appropriate word for her is delusional, she's certainly lacking in logic anyway

 

[oxx]

I gave you three votes oxx for your dry , sarcastic , acid tongue and wit . But ..... that is the best piece of rationale` i`ve heard in a long while

Thanks IDGAF,
much appreciated.

Anyone that examined the alt ticket would have to of questioned it's legitimacy as a genuine replacement.If it's recruitment and publicity strategies were any indication of it's interpretation of thoroughness
then it would seem that we are far better off with the Casey klan,
if not simply for the continuation of the of the current climate of stability.

The Big4 was basically a band of mercinaries that didn't have their act together and that's how Tiger people saw it.

Schwab was more of a liability than an asset with Welsh droppimg out of site when stories of his prior involvement with the board reached common talk status.
Macek was the paper dragon chosen to front the group in hope that his ability to acquire finances and screw prople over would sway the uncertain and offer the blind an equally successful future for the RFC.
At one stage the GR words were used in comparison - by them of course.

As for the past player tactic -LMAO.

Stability should have never been compromised to such a degree let alone by a poster from a forum with no other intention but to create dramas and draw attention to themselves but cite Richmond passion as the driving force.

Pahoff you ********en know all prick,you're responsible for this.
Think about how much of the clubs money and time had to be poured into this campaign,while you listened to "fiddler on the roof" and downloaded pr0n.

Wont you be a popular lad at the footy for the next 10 years.


Special thanx to Nick Daffy for trying to jack off at the clubs expense...again

 

[Hammerfire]

Special thanx to Nick Daffy for trying to jack off at the clubs expense...again

Daffy thread part 2?

 

[droppuntkick23]

The PRE site is a disgrace. The bias that is shown is unbeleivable
They say they are Richmond supporters, gee, you could of fooled me.
Take Bryan Wood out of the alternative ticket and the result would have been worse. By the way, Bryan Wood hadnt stepped foot in the Richmond Football Club till 3 months ago.
As for David C , a very sad person who is still bitter about not being elected last year.

 

[linuscambridge]

Interesting how certain people with very strong opinions seem to take offense at other people because they also have strong opinions, but of the oposing point of view. Reeks of hypocrisy.

In my experience on both sites the pro Casey supporters have been far more aggresive and at times offensive in their posts. I do recall a poll on PRE that clearly indicated more PRE posters were supporting Casey anyway, so although Rosy and Pahoff (sic?) were obviously pro big 4, I think you are jumping at shadows if you think there is a huge conspiracy going on.

In addition I think many posters get a bit carried away with the relative importance of these sites. I have no idea how many members they have on PRE and Big Footy, but I seem to see the same names over and over again asserting their opinions. What sort of proportion of the 15000 or so voting members have ever read an internet post on the RFC election? I would hazard a guess that it was a miniscule minority.

 

[droppuntkick23]

about 1%

 

[CJH]

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I`m still waiting for Weavers diatribe on how they lost . That boy has an answer for everything so this one should be a gem

My own view has been consistent with that of Weaver. I had grave concerns with the Casey ticket, especially around Casey's recent performance and the conflict of interest that Miller finds himself in.

We have now given a mandate to someone who has successfully lost $3million over the past 2 years and has brought this club to it's financial knees. We now also have a management structure that is undeniably flawed. My confidence in our future is now diminished as a result. I can only hope that Casey does what he says he will.

With Casey trying to bring on Rex Hunt, and then Greg Miller, it smacked to me of someone trying to play personality politics rather than on substance. Not unlike the Labor party using popular figures like Harry Madden, Kirsty Marshall and Peter Garrett. As an aside, this is endemic of a greater flaw in popular Western culture - the influence of the cult of celebrity. How else can you explain Arnie Schwarzenegger or Jesse Ventura (for God's sake) being elected to senior political positions.

My belief is that Casey has used this to his obvious advantage, and as a result, we have been conned.

Nonetheless, for better or worse, Casey has retained power and does have a significant mandate to run the club I love. I will continue to fully support the club and will not seek further division. This also must be the stance all pro-alternative people must take.

 

[evo]

The fact that Miller and Mithen where the leading vote getters says to me that LinusCambridge is right.The internet didn't have much affect on the vote.
i think most would agree Mithen is very much a lightweight at our club and that the main reason he got so many votes is because he's in the media.Bryan wood was the leading vote getter for the Macek ticket.Again more in the public eye than the rest of the ticket.

I thought the best 2 and most qualified candidates for the Casey ticket were O'shanessy and Dalton and in fact i voted for them.They ended up being the lowest winning vote getters.

I don't have any problems with alternative opininons.It's the passion that makes our club so great after such a dismal 20 plus years.

iIcan't understand this desire for a post election witch hunt.Surely first and foremost we're all Richmond supporters.

 

[Weaver]

I`m still waiting for Weavers diatribe on how they lost . That boy has an answer for everything so this one should be a gem

I predicted a Casey win on this board, on TigerTalk I predicted a Casey win predicting a 70%-30% landslide.

I was suprised how close it was. 58-42% was much tighter than I thought. If we didn't have first-past the post voting and allowed ticket-voting it would have ended up a 5-4 split board. I think that accurately reflects the mood of the election. We were never going to get a split ticket with first past the post voting.

I said that I voted for a mixed ticket including Miller. It would appear that Miller got at least 1300 votes from people who voted the alternative.

Casey would have lost were it not for Miller rescuing him. Miller became far and away the biggest campaign issue in the election.

 

[Hammerfire]

Wise comments as always Weaver, there's no doubt in my mind that Miller is the sole reason Casey got re-elected.

Just something i would like to touch on though in defense of Casey.

I have heard a few people say that god knows what's going to happen next year because Casey has planned for a $200,000 loss.

He is basing this figure on this years membership numbers, gate revenue, merchandising, coterie, sponsorship etc.

So, if we have the same revenue from these areas in 2005 that we did this year this is the worst that's going to happen.

Considering that membership is up 15% on this time last year, 85% of the total budgeted sponsorship is already signed up, new executive coterie group is already sold out and an expected jump in crowd attendances and merchandising, i would suggest that we will make a profit in 2005.

This i would love to post on PRE, but unfortunately i can't.

 

[UpTheGuts]

Although predictable, 42% of the voters think that even with Miller the alternative ticket was the way to go. Take Gregory off that ticket and you're looking at a landslide to the alternatives.

Very large majority of voters cast their ballots on a ticket basis. If 1 in every 12 Casey voters had voted differently, we have a 9-0 Macek Board. So let's not pretend it was 95%-5% here... The Board may not be divided but the constituency certainly is.

If the RFC makes a loss even 20 cents worse than the $120,000 predicted, I will be back here demanding some Board accountability. So should we all.

Wedge politics it was, but the result is in and I for one am looking forward to the first bounce.

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

Although predictable, 42% of the voters think that even with Miller the alternative ticket was the way to go. Take Gregory off that ticket and you're looking at a landslide to the alternatives.

Very large majority of voters cast their ballots on a ticket basis. If 1 in every 12 Casey voters had voted differently, we have a 9-0 Macek Board. So let's not pretend it was 95%-5% here... The Board may not be divided but the constituency certainly is.

If the RFC makes a loss even 20 cents worse than the $120,000 predicted, I will be back here demanding some Board accountability. So should we all.

Wedge politics it was, but the result is in and I for one am looking forward to the first bounce.

a landslide to the alternative? how do you figure that when the higgest voted person from the alternative was 10th !!!!!!

makes me laugh how the pro alternative people still try and fudge the figures to make themselves feel better.

take this person off and take that person off, how about we take all nine of them off??

the alternative got their butts flogged (not 1 person on the board at all), deal with it and move on. the best thing you wrote was the last sentence in waiting for the first bounce the rest is all pipe dream garbage.

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Wedge politics it was, but the result is in and I for one am looking forward to the first bounce.

It was wedge politics on both sides. Pahoff was wedged right up Schwab's posterior and in turn Brendan's melon got lost somewhere in transit on the Macek Express.

Neither Pahoff nor Schwab have been sighted in the last couple of days. It will be a long while before either can remove that bitter wedgie taste, if ever.

Dream on Weaver, but sooner or later you will wake up.

 

[tigerdan]

It was wedge politics on both sides. Pahoff was wedged right up Schwab's posterior and in turn Brendan's melon got lost somewhere in transit on the Macek Express.

Neither Pahoff nor Schwab have been sighted in the last couple of days. It will be a long while before either can remove that bitter wedgie taste, if ever.

Dream on Weaver, but sooner or later you will wake up.

Give it a rest will you Jimmy, your side won.

 

[tigertime]

Hammerfire..

If you are remotely eloquent in your support of Casey and Co on that website, you are banned or your posts are deleted.

There is no inbetween.

Here you can share your views.

Its every bit as much as we make out. The membership of this website is proof of this.

While i am hardly PRE's biggest fan, a couple of you guys are a bit over paranoid.

While Rosy, Clayton, Phantom n co. have their little group who is Pro-Macek, there are a lot of guys on PRE who are Anti-Alternative.

Opinions on who should coach were split between a lot of PRE'enders.

Yes Rosy runs the site biasedly towards the alternative, but not as much as you guys would like to make out.

 

[tigertime]

Take all the good candidates (all 9 of them) out of your board and the loser alternative ticket might have gotten up.

Listen to yourself.

What utter dribble. The result was 9-0. Thats reality.

Given that the club lost 3 million & finished last. If an alternative ticket couldnt win this election, its because they are duds.

In case you missed that. The alternative are DUDS!!!!

Although predictable, 42% of the voters think that even with Miller the alternative ticket was the way to go. Take Gregory off that ticket and you're looking at a landslide to the alternatives.

Very large majority of voters cast their ballots on a ticket basis. If 1 in every 12 Casey voters had voted differently, we have a 9-0 Macek Board. So let's not pretend it was 95%-5% here... The Board may not be divided but the constituency certainly is.

If the RFC makes a loss even 20 cents worse than the $120,000 predicted, I will be back here demanding some Board accountability. So should we all.

Wedge politics it was, but the result is in and I for one am looking forward to the first bounce.

 

[IDGAF]

I predicted a Casey win on this board, on TigerTalk I predicted a Casey win predicting a 70%-30% landslide.

I was suprised how close it was. 58-42% was much tighter than I thought. If we didn't have first-past the post voting and allowed ticket-voting it would have ended up a 5-4 split board. I think that accurately reflects the mood of the election. We were never going to get a split ticket with first past the post voting.

I said that I voted for a mixed ticket including Miller. It would appear that Miller got at least 1300 votes from people who voted the alternative.

Casey would have lost were it not for Miller rescuing him. Miller became far and away the biggest campaign issue in the election.

I do agree that the result is tainted with the Miller stain , i don`t necessarily mean that negatively , politically it was a master stroke , dirty politics but since when has politics been clean ?

The fact that this club has still maintained it`s large , ferocious , passionate supporter base after two and half decades of almost unadulterated misery and upheaval after upheaval , is quite remarkable for mine and it is a strength that needs to be united and harnessed . One thing we are united in is Miller .

He is viewed as the messiah by the rank and file , the one to lead us out of the wilderness . Once they played that card it was all over . Seriously............. how many members out there would have genuinly been concerned about , or even thought about , conflicts of interest ?

Time for humility and fence mending , Clinton has got his mandate , lets hope he uses it soundly and wisely . Because if we are sitting here this time next year after posting another huge loss and his resignation sitting on the table , a few of us are going to be looking very silly