They should just go back to the state v state format. It actually was a big hit, this format is dead and cricket Australia killed it
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I think the franchise model made sense when the teams were augmented with genuine top shelf international players like Pietersen, Sangakkara, Vettori etc. Having them pay for a state would seem less right than posting for a BBL franchise.
I'd like to see if that would work again (so post COVID and probably with fewer games) before reverting to a state based comp.
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Towards the end, the only entertaining thing about the Big Bash was Harry Conway's Bumble impressions.
There was nothing wrong with BBL 1 to 5. The schedule was short 8 games each and every game meant something.
T20 is a franchise game. Its why outside of the world cup T20Is don't interest me like ODIs used too and Tests.
Problem with going back to states is contractually you would have players like Khawaja have to play for QLD and Stoinis play for WA doesn't give them the scope to leave for the T20s.
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Another thing CA stuffed up with these 2 franchises in Melbourne and Sydney is not identifying the name with a specific area for the 2nd teams.
Sixers and Stars could remain as Sydney and Melbourne.
But the Thunder and Renegades should have been given something different to align too then just generically calling them Sydney and Melbourne.
Now the Sydney Thunder play out in the west they should have been called Western Sydney Thunder or something that aligns with western Sydney. Yes its the unofficial name but to me having both teams called Sydney doesn't give a true representation as Sydney is a big city and your more chance of engaging with an area.
I dont live in Melbourne so can't specifically talk about the Gades. But they do take games to Geelong i dont know if that would be a better long term option or not. But those in Victoria would be better qualified to talk about it.
Sixers and Stars could remain as Sydney and Melbourne.
But the Thunder and Renegades should have been given something different to align too then just generically calling them Sydney and Melbourne.
Now the Sydney Thunder play out in the west they should have been called Western Sydney Thunder or something that aligns with western Sydney. Yes its the unofficial name but to me having both teams called Sydney doesn't give a true representation as Sydney is a big city and your more chance of engaging with an area.
I dont live in Melbourne so can't specifically talk about the Gades. But they do take games to Geelong i dont know if that would be a better long term option or not. But those in Victoria would be better qualified to talk about it.
Geelong would be too small.
I think the idea of two teams can work. Melbourne City and Melbourne Victory in the A league for example.
Perhaps that's what the BBL needed. Start with one Melbourne team, then simultaneously have them appoint a dickhead coach and launch a second Melbourne team.
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Geelong has a larger pop then Hobart
Yeah but Hobart doesn't have a city with 5M people an hour's drive away.
Just think it's easier to get Geelong people to follow a team called Melbourne than the other way around.
The Renegades playing games in Geelong still makes sense, like you say Greater Geelong has a large enough population, which only gets bigger with summer holiday makers
I know that Channel 7 want their money, and by extension CA do to, but last night's game just moved SOOOOO slowly. Back when BBL was at its peak, teams had 80 mins to bowl the 20 overs and batters had 30secs to get to the middle after a wicket. The emphasis was on the action moving fast - all over within 3 hours, only slightly longer than a footy match. Perth's innings last night took 100 mins. Had Sydney played half-well then there's another 100 mins with a 15 min change over - over 3.5 hours and a finish well after 11pm.
100 mins for 20 overs = 5 mins per over. An ODI innings is 210 mins for 50 overs = just over 4 mins an over. A Test day is (supposed to be) 360 mins for 90 overs = 4 mins per over. So suddenly BBL has become the slowest form of the game. At the rate of last night, only 42 overs would get bowled in an ODI innings in the time allotted for the BBL, and only 72 overs on a Test day.
So last night's game, partnered with the lack of contest (Perth was excellent, Sydney not-so), and the neutral, small, largely uninvested crowd was actually quite tedious. It was the final the competition deserved. Greed has destroyed something that used to be quite fun.
100 mins for 20 overs = 5 mins per over. An ODI innings is 210 mins for 50 overs = just over 4 mins an over. A Test day is (supposed to be) 360 mins for 90 overs = 4 mins per over. So suddenly BBL has become the slowest form of the game. At the rate of last night, only 42 overs would get bowled in an ODI innings in the time allotted for the BBL, and only 72 overs on a Test day.
So last night's game, partnered with the lack of contest (Perth was excellent, Sydney not-so), and the neutral, small, largely uninvested crowd was actually quite tedious. It was the final the competition deserved. Greed has destroyed something that used to be quite fun.
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I read somewhere not long ago that the Channel 7 games took about 10-12 minutes longer PER INNINGS than the Fox exclusive games. Definitely something that needs to be addressed.
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That's a good point. When T20 hit the scene there were rules in place to keep the pace of the game up. Those rules seem to have evaporated (in the BBL at least), to the game's detriment.
Didn't Thunder mainly play out of Homebush, and have home games in Canberra? So they were western Sydney in everything but name.
Similar to the Stars being based at the MCG and Renegades at Marvel, with games in Geelong?
When?
His first test
He played shield matches at the end of 2010-11. Sure, he first came to attention in T20 but if he'd not played FC cricket after that, he wouldn't have been on that test tour.
Also, if the last example of someone being selected for tests on T20 performances is 11 years ago, then I think it's an invalid argument.
He was on that test tour, because hilditch and Gregg Chappell wanted to hang their hat on something before they left.
That depends how you measure, population.net.auu has a Greater Hobart estimate significantly larger than Greater Geelong for 2021 (Geelong Population 2022 | Population Australia Hobart Population 2022).
ABS had a June 2020 estimate of 238,834 for Hobart (Regional population, 2019-20 financial year)
But its a 200k pop right next to a near 5m one, and Hobart only has a team because its based off the old state system and Tas had to be included as result.
Melbourne's strength is also its weakness for things like that. Grounds are easily reached, but that also means there is no geographic separation. This works for the AFL, where the clubs all had a base before centralisation. For the BBL, A-League, etc, one team tends to dominate the identity without anything more than a colour and logo to distinguish sides. Sydney's geographic splits are more distinct.
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Tennis has just had a pretty decent fortnight and while the woman's Test was brilliant the Barty effect on cricket could be pretty big. I was a high school in the 80s when Cash came good and cricket haemorrhaged numbers for a couple of years after that.
Even taking the Barty/ Kyrgios/Kokkinakis factor out i would like to see ratings pre aus open and then during. Cant think of a year when the interest in the BBL hasn't fallen off the face of a cliff once the AO rolls around
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Halve the length of it, inject money into getting some more international players. Too many club players creeping into it
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Do you reckon it also has to do with channel 9 getting the tennis.
Channel 9 coverage of the tennis in the past 4 years has been breath of fresh air really.
I felt it got stale on channel 7 tbh.
Possibly but i think Tennis will always have the novelty factor each year.
Not to mention it normally gets the best players in the world to play......
I know CA are unlikely to do anything but i genuinely fear if they keep up with the current fixtures its going to end up like the 50 over state game after about 05. Minimal crowds, some good players but overall little interest.
BBL just can't compete with the Aus Open. The Aus Open is everything the BBL isn't - elite players, short duration, important.
Imagine a BBL that ran for two weeks, every night, the best players in the world, steeped in history, followed all around the world
Or an Aus Open that ran for two months, every night, full of players happy to get wildcard in Grand Slams , no one outside of Australia cares whatsoever.
Imagine a BBL that ran for two weeks, every night, the best players in the world, steeped in history, followed all around the world
Or an Aus Open that ran for two months, every night, full of players happy to get wildcard in Grand Slams , no one outside of Australia cares whatsoever.
From memory he bowled 100 overs in the Shield Final as an 18 year old (which is ironic given the underage restrictions that ever other kid was under) then went to South Africa won the test and surprise, surprise broke down with a back injury
