Big Bash Future

[eddiesmith]

I think the other problem is there is other more lucrative T20 tournaments beforehand and in January hence why we get players for 3-4 games

 

[JackFlash]

It's not one of the stronger competitions...

 

[akkaps]

Once again it comes back to meeting the priorities of broadcasters. 8 teams enables at least one game every night for ~6 weeks. Can't do that with 6 teams flying all over the country--players aren't robots and they need rest days (or so the ACA says). 2 teams each from Melbourne and Sydney also means a greater ratio of games appealing to the 2 major TV markets which are the lifeblood of the league.

And by the way: England's top T20 league has 18 teams, the IPL is returning to 10, South Africa have 8 and the Hundred is also made up of 8.

The broadcasters need to demand less for the betterment of the sport then. Off the top of my head the BBL is the only T20 league that has two teams in 1 city.
England still run a 18 team league cause they run it based on their county system.
The IPL has the depth though, and they still run the Vijay Hazare Trophy based on their state system as well.
South Africa for the past few season have had 6 teams, this season they are returning to their First Class team for the T20 league which means 8 teams.
If this is meant to compare to the franchise leagues that work well, the PSL went from 5-6 teams, and the CPL has stayed at 6 teams from it's conception.

 

[Oliver09]

The broadcasters need to demand less for the betterment of the sport then. Off the top of my head the BBL is the only T20 league that has two teams in 1 city.
England still run a 18 team league cause they run it based on their county system.
The IPL has the depth though, and they still run the Vijay Hazare Trophy based on their state system as well.
South Africa for the past few season have had 6 teams, this season they are returning to their First Class team for the T20 league which means 8 teams.
If this is meant to compare to the franchise leagues that work well, the PSL went from 5-6 teams, and the CPL has stayed at 6 teams from it's conception.

The one team cities definitely got behind their teams from the first season. Melbourne and Sydney having 1 team each would've had great support but bringing in a second team afterwards would've been tough. Let's face it though, a stand alone Melbourne team at the G was never going to sellout every game, 40-50k average would've been great though. CA wanted to get away from state based teams so having 2 team towns did force player movement that probably wouldn't have happened.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I think the other problem is there is other more lucrative T20 tournaments beforehand and in January hence why we get players for 3-4 games

This is where CA needs to earn their money and negotiate with other nations so they aren't crossing over. Bangladesh can surely be reasoned with.

The broadcasters need to demand less for the betterment of the sport then. Off the top of my head the BBL is the only T20 league that has two teams in 1 city.
England still run a 18 team league cause they run it based on their county system.

England's T20 league is no longer their big ticket tournament. That's now The Hundred, which has 8 teams, two of which are in London.

 

[Pippen94]

The one team cities definitely got behind their teams from the first season. Melbourne and Sydney having 1 team each would've had great support but bringing in a second team afterwards would've been tough. Let's face it though, a stand alone Melbourne team at the G was never going to sellout every game, 40-50k average would've been great though. CA wanted to get away from state based teams so having 2 team towns did force player movement that probably wouldn't have happened.

Plenty of room for two teams in both Sydney & Melbourne

 

[Cleavy]

This is where CA needs to earn their money and negotiate with other nations so they aren't crossing over. Bangladesh can surely be reasoned with.

let's promise them a Test series (and then cancel/postpone) honestly, we don't have much leverage since all cricket boards/nations are bleeding financially.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

let's promise them a Test series (and then cancel/postpone) honestly, we don't have much leverage since all cricket boards/nations are bleeding financially.

All the more reason not to get in each other's way. Then everyone can get maximum international eyeballs.

 

[Cleavy]

All the more reason not to get in each other's way. Then everyone can get maximum international eyeballs.

cricket boards are ruled by self-interest now.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Thunder v Sixers
Seven: 901,000 (Metro 604,000 Regional 297,000)
Fox Cricket: 209,000/180,000 (1st and 2nd innings)

Doesn't include streaming figures, either. It's as much a ratings juggernaut as ever. Renders complaints about the quality of the players, and comparisons to other leagues, irrelevant.

 

[big_e]

For the young guys you mention not sure whether this type of cricket helps in their developments in the longer form of the game and I presume a young guy like Bryce Street would not play it and would go back to club cricket which would be better for him.Some good examples of young guys playing it at the moment would be guys like Sutherland and Jake Fraser Mc Gurk.

Someone like Jake Fraser-McGurk should get heaps out of playing BBL. Being on national TV, being in pressure situations, access to quality international players - even just switching between formats, which he'll have to do as his career progresses.

 

[eddiesmith]

Thunder v Sixers
Seven: 901,000 (Metro 604,000 Regional 297,000)
Fox Cricket: 209,000/180,000 (1st and 2nd innings)

Doesn't include streaming figures, either. It's as much a ratings juggernaut as ever. Renders complaints about the quality of the players, and comparisons to other leagues, irrelevant.

Because a few people put the TV on a public holiday with nothing else on? Yet they won’t spend any money to actually go to a game.

Plus the test match had 2 million viewers across both platforms meaning nearly 50% tuned out for the BBL…

 

[Teen Wolf]

Because a few people put the TV on a public holiday with nothing else on? Yet they won’t spend any money to actually go to a game.

Over a million people. And there's rarely anything else on TV at this time of year worth watching. That's why networks spend a lot of money for the BBL rights. Thankfully so because it's a much more reliable revenue stream, especially in a climate where even crowds for the Boxing Day Test are well down.

We all understand you want to go back to the state comp (which had one 30k+ crowd in its entire history) because your Stars can't win finals (unlike the Renegades!), but it ain't gonna happen.

 

[eddiesmith]

Over a million people. And there's rarely anything else on TV at this time of year worth watching. That's why networks spend a lot of money for the BBL rights. Thankfully so because it's a much more reliable revenue stream, especially in a climate where even crowds for the Boxing Day Test are well down.

We all understand you want to go back to the state comp (which had one 30k+ crowd in its entire history) because your Stars can't win finals (unlike the Renegades!), but it ain't gonna happen.

Whilst another million people tuned out when it started…The test is the real ratings winner for 7, Big Bash however just managed to knock off ABC news, big victory there

 

[Around the Wicket]

T20 is becoming abit old now tbh.

Team A whacks 150
Team B chases it

Surprisingly this year team batting first is winning majority of the games but its still the same shit on repeat.

IPL is excellent because its a time of the year India's best cant take part. For Big Bash to stick around and not die out I think they need to find a time of the year where Australia's best can take part. Plus the shield cricket should be on over the summer to help the Test side.

 

[Around the Wicket]

I'd like to see Shield cricket while the Test summer is in progress then BBL to finish the summer then at least Australian players can take part.

Theres no money in it to attract big stars and the one time we actually did the media treated Gayle like a thug because that idiot reporter on 10 couldn't take a joke or engage in banter.

 

[sherb]

I don't profess to be a BBL fan, the genre does nothing for me.

But I agree that the season is just too long. First match - 5th December. Final - 28th January. That's the best part of two months.

I've seen it mentioned somewhere else on BF how the English f-c season is split to accommodate 20/20 cricket. But even there the gap for 20/20 is only one month (June), not two like here.

And I find it absurd that you have the Tests being played with NO first-class cricket being played at the same time. It's okay for the regular Test players, but what about a replacement player selected late in the Test series? They won't have played f-c cricket since late November, and accordingly will be plucked from either the BBL or from Grade cricket. Hardly ideal preparation for a Test match.

CA can't continue to treat Shield cricket as a second banana to the BBL and expect to maintain a quality Test side imo. Things are holding at present, but eventually they will crack. The balance between 20/20 and the Shield needs to be restored.

 

[western royboy]

cricket boards are ruled by self-interest now.

And in the words of Neil Diamond “money talks”

 

[western royboy]

I don't profess to be a BBL fan, the genre does nothing for me.

But I agree that the season is just too long. First match - 5th December. Final - 28th January. That's the best part of two months.

I've seen it mentioned somewhere else on BF how the English f-c season is split to accommodate 20/20 cricket. But even there the gap for 20/20 is only one month (June), not two like here.

And I find it absurd that you have the Tests being played with NO first-class cricket being played at the same time. It's okay for the regular Test players, but what about a replacement player selected late in the Test series? They won't have played f-c cricket since late November, and accordingly will be plucked from either the BBL or from Grade cricket. Hardly ideal preparation for a Test match.

CA can't continue to treat Shield cricket as a second banana to the BBL and expect to maintain a quality Test side imo. Things are holding at present, but eventually they will crack. The balance between 20/20 and the Shield needs to be restored.

It’s too late to turn back now…CA is addicted to the coin, as is every other nation. Look at the Poms, ****ed a great system by introducing a Mickey Mouse version of T-20, introduced by my former teammate Tom Harrison, completely $$ related, it’s no longer about teaching kids how to play to enjoy and love the game, it’s about making them into consumers

 

[sherb]

And in the words of Neil Diamond “money talks”

Forever in blue jeans......

 

[CakeEater]

What's Craig Simmons doing these days ?

Still playing grade over here.

Scored a quick 100 off not many coming in 5/.

 

[sherb]

It’s too late to turn back now…CA is addicted to the coin, as is every other nation. Look at the Poms, f’ed a great system by introducing a Mickey Mouse version of T-20, introduced by my former teammate Tom Harrison, completely $$ related, it’s no longer about teaching kids how to play to enjoy and love the game, it’s about making them into consumers

I agree. I can't see CA's policies ending well for the game overall.

Re the bolded, it's much the same as the AFL's motivation behind pumping funds into junior development - outside the small % of elite players produced, what the AFL really wants as an outcome is consumers of the product.

 

[010203]

Re-consider the worth of the rules that were brought in last season and continued on into this season. I'd get rid of the X-Factor sub rule immediately. You win games by getting your selections right. You shouldn't get an opportunity to change your team a quarter of the way into the match for tactical reasons. I can accept a medical sub but the player in question needs to be ruled out of the match by an independent doctor.

Go back to a 4 team finals series. You shouldn't have more than half your competition playing in the finals. Giving the top two a 2nd chance and the team that finished on top two home finals is a good idea. I sympathise with the view that the season is too long and that there are too many games but I also hold the view that every team playing each other twice means we have a fair competition.

I would seriously consider a Christmas night 'Sydney Smash' at the SCG. It can be a 7:40pm start. If it doesn't work, no worries. The BBL double headers during the Boxing Day test are really easy to sell for broadcasters. However, I'm not convinced they're all they're cranked up to be. After watching 6 hours of test cricket, I find I'm just about done by the end of the first BBL game and have tuned out by the time the 2nd game of the double header rolls around.

 

[to1994]

Someone like Jake Fraser-McGurk should get heaps out of playing BBL. Being on national TV, being in pressure situations, access to quality international players - even just switching between formats, which he'll have to do as his career progresses.

If T20 didn't exist he'd likely be playing Shield against the likes of Steve Smith and Pat Cummins on a regular basis. I'd consider that more valuable then rubbing shoulders with some Afghan Players and James Vince, no disrespect to them.

 

[Around the Wicket]

If T20 didn't exist he'd likely be playing Shield against the likes of Steve Smith and Pat Cummins on a regular basis. I'd consider that more valuable then rubbing shoulders with some Afghan Players and James Vince, no disrespect to them.

I honestly think T20 has been been shit for cricket, when there was 2 forms Tests and ODI's and none of this franchise shit going on as you said the Aussie stars played 4 or 5 shield games a year, it was unreal. I remember going to watch NSW v Western Australia in Newcastle when I was a kid (I remember it because Justin Langer was waiting to bat and I went up to say hello and he told me to **** off).. but besides that McGrath, Lee, MacGill, both Waugh brothers were all playing it was bloody unreal. Lee and McGrath were signing autographs all day at fine leg.. good memories.