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Are you aware that Bin Laden was on a kidney dialysis machine in Saudi Arabia in 2000 & wasn't expected to live for more than a year?

The Bush's were in business with his family, even on the day 9/11 went-down, before scurrying them out of the country.

Bin Laden provided for an excellent 'fall-guy' & patsy narrative....The bogey man who executed the most complex & sophisticated terrorist attack from a cave in Pakistan.....LOL.

If you believe any of the narrative surrounding Bin Laded from 9/11 onward, then good luck to you mate.
 
Procrastinator35 said:
Are you aware that Bin Laden was on a kidney dialysis machine in Saudi Arabia in 2000 & wasn't expected to live for more than a year?

The Bush's were in business with his family, even on the day 9/11 went-down, before scurrying them out of the country.

Bin Laden provided for an excellent 'fall-guy' & patsy narrative....The bogey man who executed the most complex & sophisticated terrorist attack from a cave in Pakistan.....LOL.

If you believe any of the narrative surrounding Bin Laded from 9/11 onward, then good luck to you mate.
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This is hardly the time and place, but I'm far more inclined to believe what's in The Exile than I am various conspiracy theories. Bin Laden's illness is well known, and he certainly got medical treatment for it in Pakistan while under the care of ISI.
 
MaddAdam said:
This is hardly the time and place, but I'm far more inclined to believe what's in The Exile than I am various conspiracy theories. Bin Laden's illness is well known, and he certainly got medical treatment for it in Pakistan while under the care of ISI.
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The only nonsense conspiracy theory to do with Bin Laden, is that he had anything at all to do with 9/11...Bit hard to be a master-mind of anything when you're already dead.
 

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Procrastinator35 said:
The only nonsense conspiracy theory to do with Bin Laden, is that he had anything at all to do with 9/11...Bit hard to be a master-mind of anything when you're already dead.
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He wasn't dead.

See, this is the thing about Big Brother. There most certainly ARE conspiracies afoot in the world. The US using the world's media to trick people into supporting the Iraq War a fanstastic example of a global conspiracy by the US to start a war.

Then there's other stuff that's equally amazing because it is so ... wow, that happened ... like the fact that Qaeda pulled off 9/11.

You also have to recall it wasn't one dude in a cave. It was a large network of highly experienced, highly capable international operatives with decdaes of form.

Also worth recalling that Bin Laden and KSM .. "Mokthar" ... did 9/11 off the books.

The official Al Qaeda shura rejected it.

It actually serves US purposes far more to have people believing some massive conspiracy, rather than have folks understand just how off guard and vulnerable they were.
 
Where it gets really interesting is in - what is very old really, but just getting to prominence now in the West again is what is called "fake news".

Is anyone here aware of Bellingcat?

Now this is some very seriously interesting Big Brother stuff.
 
MaddAdam said:
He wasn't dead.

See, this is the thing about Big Brother. There most certainly ARE conspiracies afoot in the world. The US using the world's media to trick people into supporting the Iraq War a fanstastic example of a global conspiracy by the US to start a war.

Then there's other stuff that's equally amazing because it is so ... wow, that happened ... like the fact that Qaeda pulled off 9/11.

You also have to recall it wasn't one dude in a cave. It was a large network of highly experienced, highly capable international operatives with decdaes of form.

Also worth recalling that Bin Laden and KSM .. "Mokthar" ... did 9/11 off the books.

The official Al Qaeda shura rejected it.

It actually serves US purposes far more to have people believing some massive conspiracy, rather than have folks understand just how off guard and vulnerable they were.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree on who said 'operatives' that performed 9/11 were....Nothing whatsoever to do with Al Qaeda. (Unless you accept that they're nothing but a C.I.A/MOSSAD made-up front of course).

And just FYI....Chris Bollyn is the seminal 9/11 investigative journalistic expert.
 
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MaddAdam said:
Well, you've also just subscribed to MI6 and GCHQ.
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It's still quite interesting for an establishment position. I don't think they were far off the mark with some of their analysis in Syria. Hersh had a bee in his bonnet and the De Spiegel story was probably his worst on Syria, even though it may be true.
 
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It's still quite interesting for an establishment position. I don't think they were far off the mark with some of their analysis in Syria. Hersh had a bee in his bonnet and the De Spiegel story was probably his worst on Syria, even though it may be true.
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It is a first class operation.

Totally plausible and actually has the benefit of gaining crowd sourced free expert work.

But is most totally Brit intelligence.
 
MaddAdam said:
It is a first class operation.

Totally plausible and actually has the benefit of gaining crowd sourced free expert work.

But is most totally Brit intelligence.
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That's ok, Brits have excellent signals capability and are usually better at the personal side of things than the Americans. The Brits are pigs but their bureaucracy is mercifully short on the liberal internationalist ideology that can cloud US reports on wars, which makes it more fact based and easier for a wider audience to understand if they know the buzzwords. All up, as long as people are looking at it with a critical eye, I wouldn't worry too much about being misled. Realistically most defence and security news that makes it in to even the lefts papers would have been leaked by a friendly or oked from above, so pays to be critical of all sources. Also doesn't mean it's wrong, as you say, there's a lot of unadulterated field reporting mixed up in there so I don't think bellingcat is anywhere near the worst example of government funded NGO's.
 
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China's Surveillance State Should Scare Everyone

The country is perfecting a vast network of digital espionage as a means of social control—with implications for democracies worldwide.

Imagine a society in which you are rated by the government on your trustworthiness. Your “citizen score” follows you wherever you go. A high score allows you access to faster internet service or a fast-tracked visa to Europe. If you make political posts online without a permit, or question or contradict the government’s official narrative on current events, however, your score decreases. To calculate the score, private companies working with your government constantly trawl through vast amounts of your social media and online shopping data.

When you step outside your door, your actions in the physical world are also swept into the dragnet: The government gathers an enormous collection of information through the video cameras placed on your street and all over your city. If you commit a crime—or simply jaywalk—facial recognition algorithms will match video footage of your face to your photo in a national ID database. It won’t be long before the police show up at your door.

This society may seem dystopian, but it isn’t farfetched: It may be China in a few years. The country is racing to become the first to implement a pervasive system of algorithmic surveillance. Harnessing advances in artificial intelligence and data mining and storage to construct detailed profiles on all citizens, China’s communist party-state is developing a “citizen score” to incentivize “good” behavior. A vast accompanying network of surveillance cameras will constantly monitor citizens’ movements, purportedly to reduce crime and terrorism. While the expanding Orwellian eye may improve “public safety,” it poses a chilling new threat to civil liberties in a country that already has one of the most oppressive and controlling governments in the world.

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/552203/?__twitter_impression=true
 

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Procrastinator35 said:


And here's where it can come back & bite you on the arse.
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google earth compromises military bases and live satellite surveillance compromises military base activity. To think Area 51 and its infrastructure was once top secret.
 
ShanDog said:
Well, s**t. I remember looking up Australian bases a number of years ago on Google maps and the bases were all blurred, but they aren't now.
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same

I wasn't surprised about ordinary bases but was really surprised that even the most highly sensitive bases were not blurred
 
Probably because google Earth still isn't capable of seeing through walls.

I mean let's face it, it's not as if one day we're going to get a clear image of a bloke standing outside in front of an audience, pointing at a whiteboard with top-secret strategies on it because it was too nice a day to do it in a conference room.
Knowing some guy's morning jogging route is hardly a compromise of state security. If patrol routes aren't being changed periodically, then that's a matter of command incompetence, and not Fitness Tracker's fault.

Also, if Google can get clear images of a base, then so can anyone with a satellite. I'm pretty sure that technology is being used against intelligence organisations as much as it is for them.

These days, if Google Earth catches a bunch of planes lined up on a runway carved into an artificial island, it's because someone wants them to be seen.
There's also every chance that that new railgun turret plonked onto an old destroyer is just China having a laugh. Half the photos came from Weibo, for pete's sake... there is an even chance that inside that turret is nothing more than a Teddy bear wearing a Mao cap.
 
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MaddAdam said:
See, this is the thing about Big Brother. There most certainly ARE conspiracies afoot in the world. The US using the world's media to trick people into supporting the Iraq War a fanstastic example of a global conspiracy by the US to start a war.
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It was hardly the US, all the major intelligence agencies thought he had or was trying to acquire WMD

BTW Al Campbell says he has been proved innocent of sexing up that dossier. Quality, quality bloke.
 
There is also a big difference between believing something to be true, and putting out fake information in order to hoodwink others into going in.

Is the notion that the major players actually did believe he had/was trying to acquire WMD's so completely unbelievable?
It doesn't need to be a big conspiracy. Most of the time, mistakes are simply a matter of someone being wrong, or not paying enough attention to available data.

People seem to be in two minds about intelligence agencies.
On the one hand, they're entirely convinced the CIA is so completely incompetent it tried and failed to assassinate Castro over 600 times.
On the other hand, they also believe the CIA is capable of pulling off hugely complex conspiracies with no one being the wiser.

Keystone cops or criminal masterminds, it just depends what image someone is trying to convey in support of whatever theory it is they're trying to foist on everyone else.
 
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