Big Cricket Thread

[amazingjoshy]

Not always clear cut, like the Ashwin/Buttler example in the article. He would've been in his crease when Ashwin bowled the ball, if he didn't pull out. Do we want to end up with bowlers baulking in their delivery stride like a baseball pitcher trying to get someone out at first base?

Na disagree, just watch the bowler and wait until the ball leaves the hand before going, it isn't that hard. Butlers was more lazy than anything and probably should've been given a warning, but he's still at fault imo

 

[Carbine Chaos]

For a game so entrenched in logic and statistics like cricket, the Mankad defies this and (for me) is largely based on personal ethics and upbringing.

Did you even junior cricket in Australia if you didn’t try to Mankad someone with your father umpiring, only to have him loudly berate you right then and there, before having an hours chat about it in the car on the way home afterwards? That was my intro to it, I thought initially I’d unlocked a cheat code in real life.

Long story short, since that day, I’d never Mankad someone without warning them first. Which I did smiling on several occasions, a la Gayle. Regardless of their intentions, there’s a right and wrong way to approach the game as an individual, and seeing it used as a set play by some professional players frankly disgusts me.

Hey, if a player ignores the warning, then I have no issue. Plus players get run out at the non-strikers end backing up more than you’d think. So it isn’t entirely risk free anyway.

If a player is backing up (early) excessively then perhaps the umpires should be the ones to step in as custodians of the game first. The spirit of the game is important.

 

[MrKK]

Na disagree, just watch the bowler and wait until the ball leaves the hand before going, it isn't that hard. Butlers was more lazy than anything and probably should've been given a warning, but he's still at fault imo

It's hard to unlearn anticipation as a batsman and not reasonable to expect them to not react until the ball leaves the hand at the non-strikers end when every instinct is the opposite when they're on strike.

 

[amazingjoshy]

For a game so entrenched in logic and statistics like cricket, the Mankad defies this and (for me) is largely based on personal ethics and upbringing.

Did you even junior cricket in Australia if you didn’t try to Mankad someone with your father umpiring, only to have him loudly berate you right then and there, before having an hours chat about it in the car on the way home afterwards? That was my intro to it, I thought initially I’d unlocked a cheat code in real life.

Long story short, since that day, I’d never Mankad someone without warning them first. Which I did smiling on several occasions, a la Gayle. Regardless of their intentions, there’s a right and wrong way to approach the game as an individual, and seeing it used as a set play by some professional players frankly disgusts me.

Hey, if a player ignores the warning, then I have no issue. Plus players get run out at the non-strikers end backing up more than you’d think. So it isn’t entirely risk free anyway.

If a player is backing up (early) excessively then perhaps the umpires should be the ones to step in as custodians of the game first. The spirit of the game is important.

Played plenty of junior cricket and it was drilled into me not to leave the crease till you see the ball leave the bowlers hand. It really isn't that hard.

I agree in giving a warning first, but it's still on the batter for leaving the crease

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Played plenty of junior cricket and it was drilled into me not to leave the crease till you see the ball leave the bowlers hand. It really isn't that hard.

I agree in giving a warning first, but it's still on the batter for leaving the crease

Well, yeah. Warn them if it's out of the ordinary backing up, then go for it. I wouldn't just go out and do it.

 

[dewcefault]

I've never understood the uproar... the batsmen are trying to gain an advantage... it's one with risk. Fair play if you can get it but you have to cop it if you get caught.
Problem people have is that the consequence of getting caught is huge whereas the advantage gained is small but knowing that if you still try and gain the advantage then you need to be prepared to be dismissed.

I think in juniors/ammos giving warnings is fine but at the most senior levels you should know better.

 

[Dazzler9]

We need to think of it in similar terms to a stumping. If you inch outside of your crease, by a small amount, inadvertently, then you're fair game, no warnings required.

 

[Goroyals22]

For a game so entrenched in logic and statistics like cricket, the Mankad defies this and (for me) is largely based on personal ethics and upbringing.

Did you even junior cricket in Australia if you didn’t try to Mankad someone with your father umpiring, only to have him loudly berate you right then and there, before having an hours chat about it in the car on the way home afterwards? That was my intro to it, I thought initially I’d unlocked a cheat code in real life.

Long story short, since that day, I’d never Mankad someone without warning them first. Which I did smiling on several occasions, a la Gayle. Regardless of their intentions, there’s a right and wrong way to approach the game as an individual, and seeing it used as a set play by some professional players frankly disgusts me.

Hey, if a player ignores the warning, then I have no issue. Plus players get run out at the non-strikers end backing up more than you’d think. So it isn’t entirely risk free anyway.

If a player is backing up (early) excessively then perhaps the umpires should be the ones to step in as custodians of the game first. The spirit of the game is important.

Why does the batsman need a warning? Does the bowler now need to inform the batsman he is about to bowl a Yorker, bouncer or an in swinger?

The batsman wants to gain an advantage then he should be expecting to be mankaded straight up.

 

[Tugga27]

Scorchers win the toss and are having a bat.
No changes.

Hobson lucky to keep his spot.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Why does the batsman need a warning?

A man’s gotta have a code.

If yours is different, Mankad to your hearts content. If I was dismissed that way I’d be angry initially, but once the red mist went away I’d be able to acknowledge it was my fault.

Unless it was a set play, then the bowler can EAD. A preconceived Mankad goes against the spirit of cricket, no matter how many people say ‘the batsman should pay more attention’. Much like how feigning fielding the ball is now outlawed (I’m pretty sure).

 

[Biggie]

A man’s gotta have a code.

 

[matthew_s]

A man’s gotta have a code.

I got the shotgun, you got the briefcase

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Have to put my hand up and say I’ve stolen the line from his work on Community and not the Wire haha.

 

[matthew_s]

Have to put my hand up and say I’ve stolen the line from his work on Community and not the Wire haha.

Do yourself a favour.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

This wicket must really be a road if Hobson is scoring 46 off 26.

 

[PintSzedSlasher]

Na disagree, just watch the bowler and wait until the ball leaves the hand before going, it isn't that hard. Butlers was more lazy than anything and probably should've been given a warning, but he's still at fault imo

The law says 'If the non-striker is out of his/her ground at any time from the moment the ball comes into play until the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, the non-striker is liable to be run out.'

For me Ashwin would've normally been expected to have released the ball by the time Buttler left the crease and it could be thought to be an incorrect decision based on that.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Random Gabba tests aside, the modern game is so heavily weighted in favour of the batsman I have no problem with the mankad.

If it was me I'd probably warn them but meh. I see it no different to a stumping.

 

[Biggie]

Have to put my hand up and say I’ve stolen the line from his work on Community and not the Wire haha.

Was going to be my first gif

 

[Biggie]

Random Gabba tests aside, the modern game is so heavily weighted in favour of the batsman I have no problem with the mankad.

If it was me I'd probably warn them but meh. I see it no different to a stumping.

Im with you here. Over it

 

[Goroyals22]

A man’s gotta have a code.

If yours is different, Mankad to your hearts content. If I was dismissed that way I’d be angry initially, but once the red mist went away I’d be able to acknowledge it was my fault.

Unless it was a set play, then the bowler can EAD. A preconceived Mankad goes against the spirit of cricket, no matter how many people say ‘the batsman should pay more attention’. Much like how feigning fielding the ball is now outlawed (I’m pretty sure).

Pretty simple… don’t cheat… the bowler has a better moral code than the batsman in this instance….

 

[Dazzler9]

Even Bradman agreed it was fair game.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Even Bradman agreed it was fair game.

The guy who Mankad himself originally Mankadded did too

Somewhere in between it became "ungentlemanly" to apply a rule of the gane

 

[Biggie]

Behrendorff puts us in the driving seat here

 

[ashley12]

Fazal Farooqi had his contract ripped up by Thunder. Anyone hear/know why?

 

[Truckosaurus]

Fazal Farooqi had his contract ripped up by Thunder. Anyone hear/know why?

Sydney Thunder terminate Fazalhaq Farooqi's contract

The club received a complaint about his behavior after an incident and referred the matter to CA's integrity unit for investigation

www.espncricinfo.com

Suspect the complaint may have come from a woman