Big Cricket Thread

[Tugga27]

It’s pretty lame. No one at the start of the season would have looked at the scorchers list and said there was a huge discrepancy of talent.

Re my Thunder posts in December - how can anyone look at this squad and suggest that Perth have some sort of unfair advantage

Warner/Gilkes
Hales
Roussouw
Davies
Sangha
Sams
Ross
Cutting
Sandhu
Green
Farooqi

That’s a seriously strong team on paper and should be beating most sides. Problem is too many of them didn’t turn up to play, or bailed halfway through to go to other comps. Farooqi would have finished in the top few wicket takers IMO but obviously did something to get booted.

Shouldn’t need to overhaul the system just because that team underperformed

Rather than make the other teams catch up, they will try and weaken the top 2 sides.

Before the season started, with no Marsh, Green plus losing our internationals, I thought we'd make top 5 but not top.

The biggest pluses for me this season have been:

Bancroft - Not getting a regular game and has come in and made a huge impact.
Hardie - Preseason was looked at as a handy number 6 who can bowl. This year has been elite.
Payne - Not many had even heard of him. Has got a game due to injuries and has been a star.

You pretty much know what you will get with Tye, Dorf, Inglis and Turner.

So that's 7 jet players who make up the bulk of our side.

IMO, Hobart have the best side on paper or pretty close to it and can't even make top 5.

 

[Tugga27]

Every single year we look at the Scorchers squad and go, Geez, we could be in for a tough tournament this time. And every single year we raise eyebrows with how good we are.

The cricketing talent is spread evenly across the franchises. It seems clear that us and the Sixers just have the best programs and the best cultures. It's really that simple.

I don't really agree with that TBH.
Some of the other teams have 4 or 5 players just making up numbers.

Like you said though, it's all about culture and programs.

 

[Cuzz09]

What also happens every single year is that the Melbourne Stars are somehow anointed as the glamour club and pre-tournament favourites. And mostly they turn out to be just poo.

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[Agent93]

It’s pretty lame. No one at the start of the season would have looked at the scorchers list and said there was a huge discrepancy of talent.

There's another way of looking at this: teams are building their squads around big names to attract crowds. Unfortunately, like the Thunder list you've mentioned, the big names are not available for all of the tournament.

The Scorchers have a history of being well supported, and from that luxury have built their team around having a consistent lineup across the tournament. It was even mentioned in the international draft they were aiming to select players available for the full tournament, hence protecting Evans over Munro.

The Sixers are kind of the exception here: not as well supported but doing the same thing in selecting a squad that will be available for the entire tournament. They've also been able to horde high level domestic NSW talent away from the Thunder. Hell they even had to make the hard call of signing Tood Murphy over Ben Manenti.

I don't mind the idea of a domestic draft, but it should be for new entries into the competition similar to the AFL. Busting up teams every season isn't the way to grow a supporter base, but it is a good way to kill interest from those already rusted on to a team.

 

[Agent93]

Rather than make the other teams catch up, they will try and weaken the top 2 sides.

There's somewhat a precedent for turning over sides each season with a draft: Renegades, Hurcs, and Heat all changed 50% or more of their BBL11 squads going into BBL12.

 

[FKASC]

There's another way of looking at this: teams are building their squads around big names to attract crowds. Unfortunately, like the Thunder list you've mentioned, the big names are not available for all of the tournament.

The Scorchers have a history of being well supported, and from that luxury have built their team around having a consistent lineup across the tournament. It was even mentioned in the international draft they were aiming to select players available for the full tournament, hence protecting Evans over Munro.

The Sixers are kind of the exception here: not as well supported but doing the same thing in selecting a squad that will be available for the entire tournament. They've also been able to horde high level domestic NSW talent away from the Thunder. Hell they even had to make the hard call of signing Tood Murphy over Ben Manenti.

I don't mind the idea of a domestic draft, but it should be for new entries into the competition similar to the AFL. Busting up teams every season isn't the way to grow a supporter base, but it is a good way to kill interest from those already rusted on to a team.

Agreed for 2022, but most internationals in previous years have typically been available for the entire season, or the majority of it, with the exception of guys like Rashid and Nabi as Afghanistan always seemed to play some white ball cricket early in the year. It’s really only this year that the other comps have ruled out so many players midway through.

So obviously there’s now that big debate about attracting the elite international players in competition with the SA and UAE tournaments which colours this whole discussion. But it hasn’t applied so much to previous years

 

[Agent93]

Agreed for 2022, but most internationals in previous years have typically been available for the entire season, or the majority of it, with the exception of guys like Rashid and Nabi as Afghanistan always seemed to play some white ball cricket early in the year. It’s really only this year that the other comps have ruled out so many players midway through.

BBL11 there was an Afghan tour, and the Pakistan Super League, BBL07 there was an English ODI tour and several internationals left halfway through the season.

It's more common than you think, especially in the latter half of the BBL's existence.

 

[FKASC]

Teams should also be smart enough to realise that the best way to attract fans is to not be shit. Other than a Smith-Warner showdown, no one is going to sell out a stadium simply because a big name international player is lining up. It’s so silly

 

[Ochre]

Fans care so much more about Australian players than internationals, CA need to figure out how to have the top Aus players playing most/all the BBL

 

[Rowan18]

Sorry

Here's an excerpt.

"The Perth Scorchers and Sydney Sixers have again proved the gulf between the best and the rest in the BBL. And league organisers are pondering changes to end their reign.

Big Bash organisers are being forced to analyse the remarkable dominance of the Perth Scorchers and Sydney Sixers and ponder the question – are they too good?

The Scorchers have won four Big Bash titles, the Sixers three, and then it’s just one each for the Heat, Sydney Thunder, Adelaide Strikers and the Melbourne Renegades – down to duck eggs for both Hobart and the Melbourne Stars.

Perth in particular, with a sold out crowd of 50,000 expected for Saturday’s final at Optus Stadium, represents the BBL’s greatest success story and, at the same time, its biggest headache.

“Every league in any sport is underpinned by a sense of competitive balance and the notion that any team could win at the start of any season,” Cricket Australia’s Big Bash manager Alistair Dobson told News Corp.

“We have a couple of clubs that have been phenomenal in their consistency and record over 12 years. They should be commended for that and from our perspective every other club can continue to aspire to be as successful as those particular teams.

“And at the same time we’d love to see next year all eight teams enter the season with genuine hope of winning it. Because that’s how you get fans interested and involved in the competition.”

WILL THE BIG BASH MOVE TO A DOMESTIC PLAYER DRAFT?

What Big Bash bosses must get to the bottom of first and foremost is how much can the Scorchers’ and Sixers’ dominance be attributed to a discrepancy in talent, and how much of it is because they’re simply better run.

Western Australia is the premier organisation in state cricket at the moment. Brilliantly run by CEO Christina Matthews and well coached by Warriors and Scorchers coach Adam Voges. But the Scorchers are undoubtedly also benefiting from the fact the WA system is producing more Australian-ready players than anyone else.

It is why there is serious consideration being given to a domestic player Big Bash draft – to try and shake up the playing pool and create more separation between state squads and their BBL lists.

“The BBL was founded on really important principles that while the BBL teams are essentially managed and run by state associations, it’s an independent franchise competition where clubs are recruiting players from all around the country, not necessarily aligned to their own state programs,” Dobson said.

“I think across the board the comp has been really successful at moving players around the country to play for the teams they want. Whether there’s new mechanisms to help enable that, that’s obviously the discussion we’re having and there’s lots of different options.

“Inherently, players moving around competitions is healthy for the comp because it’s another way of helping drive competitive balance in the teams as long as it’s done in a way that players and clubs have all got options.”

Lol - that article is garbage. The fact that every team has played in a grand final and 7/9 have won, says to me that it is a remarkably even competition. The AFL would froth for that type of spread.

BBL is not really franchise based though, as the passion comes from backing your city. Sydney and Melbourne are a little different, but they also have a lot of passion around the local derbies. For the Scorchers, it is clear Perth/WA against the rest (feeding into the WA chip on the shoulder).

Taking away the ability for your team to have a lot of local players would stuff the whole thing up. There would be less connection between local supporters and their team and less fairytale stories of club cricketers making it to the big time through the BBL.

 

[Truckosaurus]

The draft for internationals was a disaster so the plan is to extend it to domestics?

You'd get no Test players participating.

Perth and Pink Sydney have been successful for two main reasons:

• excellent culture and leadership across the organisation
• not chasing after big name international batters but focusing on role players (and domestic T20 specialists) who are available for most, if not all the season.

Every other team stuffs themselves by going after big hitting internationals who have no real investment in the team and no real incentive to perform because their international performances are what will keep teams trying to recruit them. Specialists and role players rely on performing in these types of competitions to get their next offer.

Alternatively you stuff yourself the way the Heat did (and Thunder in the past with Warner) by spending a chunk of your cap on Test players with extremely limited availability. Smith and Lyon the only Test players on the Sixers list (and Lyon not an automatic selection) and the Scorchers had none before the Morris and Agar SOS from the selectors. In their place were high quality domestic players who weren't looked at by the national selectors.

 

[happy_eagle]

I think that International players should sit outside the Salary Cap.

Would bring some of the star players to the BBL, and still prevent teams from being too stacked (can only have 3 internationals in one team).

 

[Ochre]

The good news is that CA doesn't really need to worry about this anyway.

When the IPL owners buy the BBL franchises in a few years players will automatically be assigned to their IPL teams new franchise, as well as their CPL, SA20 etc franchise. Just got to hope they don't injure themselves during the yearly 3 week international window.

Go the Perth Super Kings!

 

[happy_eagle]

The good news is that CA doesn't really need to worry about this anyway.

When the IPL owners buy the BBL franchises in a few years players will automatically be assigned to their IPL teams new franchise, as well as their CPL, SA20 etc franchise. Just got to hope they don't injure themselves during the yearly 3 week international window.

Go the Perth Super Kings!

Perth Super Kings
Royal Challengers Adelaide
Sunrisers Brisbane
Hobart Knight Riders
Melbourne Super Giants
Kings XI Sydney

 

[DanWCE]

I thought we'd be nowhere this year. It's an incredible effort from the Scorchers squad to be hosting the final in Perth.

 

[FKASC]

Perth Super Kings
Royal Challengers Adelaide
Sunrisers Brisbane
Hobart Knight Riders
Melbourne Super Giants
Kings XI Sydney

It’d definitely be Sunrisers Perth. Same colours bruh

 

[Agent93]

the Scorchers had none

Slight correction there Trucko: Green.

 

[larrikin]

I think the international players will become less and less of a factor over the next few years. Being available for 3-4 games between SA, UAE, Pakistan etc - most teams will work out it's not worth the hassle.

 

[Ochre]

Perth Super Kings
Royal Challengers Adelaide
Sunrisers Brisbane
Hobart Knight Riders
Melbourne Super Giants
Kings XI Sydney

Hopefully Mumbai Indians buy the Scorchies and continue their incredibly creative naming.

MI Cape Town
MI Emirates
MI Perth

 

[Truckosaurus]

Slight correction there Trucko: Green.

I amaze myself how quickly I forget about injured players.

 

[Westend]

Rather than make the other teams catch up, they will try and weaken the top 2 sides.

Before the season started, with no Marsh, Green plus losing our internationals, I thought we'd make top 5 but not top.

The biggest pluses for me this season have been:

Bancroft - Not getting a regular game and has come in and made a huge impact.
Hardie - Preseason was looked at as a handy number 6 who can bowl. This year has been elite.
Payne - Not many had even heard of him. Has got a game due to injuries and has been a star.

You pretty much know what you will get with Tye, Dorf, Inglis and Turner.

So that's 7 jet players who make up the bulk of our side.

IMO, Hobart have the best side on paper or pretty close to it and can't even make top 5.

Yeah the same thought we had too many injuries and when Mitch went down thought we would struggle.

Win or lose this Sat its been another fantastic campaign for the Scorchers.

 

[THE A5]

Scorchers system works well. Like our depth players can come in and seamlessly plug in. Look at some of the depth players that have left and have struggled. Paris/moody/whiteman have been handy as depth for us but have been bog Average for other sides

 

[RookiePick]

It’d definitely be Sunrisers Perth. Same colours bruh

Ketut seeing payday in his future with that outcome

 

[squashface]

Heat back to usual programming after the departure of the Test players?

 

[Ochre]

It’d definitely be Sunrisers Perth. Same colours bruh

Very cute that you think the IPL owners would give a **** about what teams old colours were.