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[Forward Press]

Marnus was batting outside of his crease there so it's not exactly the same, Bairstow wasn't looking to get an advantage when he was batting. Same with comparing this to mankadding a batter leaving early.

I think I would withdrawn the appeal personally but I'm not overly concerned they didn't. The hyperventilating by parts of England has been fun to watch.

Similar enough. The important thing is the ball was certainly not 'finally settled' - in fact, the ball was still in the air when Bairstow left his crease. If Carey subsequently mis-fielded or threw it at the stumps and it led to overthrows, do you think Bairstow (or any other batter) would have treated it dead?

It is effectively a long range stumping and when you view it that way, the controversy disappears. Don't want to get out this way? Don't leave the crease until you know the keeper has it and the ball begins being handed back to the bowler.

 

[wce4premiership]

Marnus was batting outside of his crease there so it's not exactly the same, Bairstow wasn't looking to get an advantage when he was batting. Same with comparing this to mankadding a batter leaving early.

I think I would withdrawn the appeal personally but I'm not overly concerned they didn't. The hyperventilating by parts of England has been fun to watch.

Everyone keeps saying that Marnus was batting out of his crease.

He was at different times, but he wasn't when Bairstow attempted to stump him. His back foot was inside, hence he doesn't really panic even though he's watching the ball all the way through.

 

[CountryLad]

Marnus was batting outside of his crease there so it's not exactly the same, Bairstow wasn't looking to get an advantage when he was batting. Same with comparing this to mankadding a batter leaving early.

I think I would withdrawn the appeal personally but I'm not overly concerned they didn't. The hyperventilating by parts of England has been fun to watch.

I agree with what your saying however the bit that no one’s really talking about is that Johnny was walking out of his crease early and not bothering to look behind. I think back to all my cricket days and I’d generally look behind before I set off for some pitch gardening ect.
I don’t know about those that are saying you get a nod from the keeper I’ve never really seen that but you look behind the keeper passes the ball to first slip or wherever and you set about your business. Johnny was very casual about leaving his crease.

 

[Farang83150]

Just saw this in the cricket thread ...

 

[matthew_s]

Piers Morgan is a gaping arseh*le. Speaking on Warnies behalf, like he has any authority is deplorable.

 

[Coasters7]

Two separate things.

Things can be legal but unethical. And I'd put the Bairstow dismissal as that. Same with Mankad.

If it’s within the rules it’s ethical. Very simple fixes for both dismissals and they both involve the batsmen’s concentration.

The mankad is fair game as well imo. Although I do have issues with the ones where the batsmen matches the bowlers stride and would have been fine had the bowler delivered it normally.

Watching the Bairstow one again and he leaves way to early. Don’t think I’ve ever seen someone leave their crease that quickly after a delivery and at the end of the over especially.

No different to a stumping for me. Carey noticed Bairstow had a pattern of not respecting his own wicket and took advantage.

 

[Bender_]

My favourite part was when Bairstow was sitting on the balcony afterwards all podgy and dejected like a ginger panda on valium.

 

[Kapowie1]

-Carey threw the ball straight away after he caught it, there was no delay so it was still in play. Ball only becomes dead once both playing teams deem it to being so, per the rules.
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-Umpire hadn't called over
-Bairstow just assumed it was a dead ball and switched off by going wandering before he had an umpire confirmation

Those are the facts, what's there to defend? This only has become an issue because Bairstow took things way too casual

As the sporting saying goes, "play to the whistle"

Yep,, and Bairstow Fycked around and found out. Dopey campaigner he is.


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[Seadog]

Head adding to proof the English are hypocrites.

Jonny wasn’t too pleased,” Head told the Willow Talk podcast. “I sort of reminded Jonny last week, I walked out of my crease in Edgbaston at the end of the over and the ball got whipped in, and I quickly whipped my bat back and questioned Jonny, ‘would you take the stumps?’ And he said ‘bloody oath I would’ and ran off.”

 

[Ochre]

Similar enough. The important thing is the ball was certainly not 'finally settled' - in fact, the ball was still in the air when Bairstow left his crease. If Carey subsequently mis-fielded or threw it at the stumps and it led to overthrows, do you think Bairstow (or any other batter) would have treated it dead?

It is effectively a long range stumping and when you view it that way, the controversy disappears. Don't want to get out this way? Don't leave the crease until you know the keeper has it and the ball begins being handed back to the bowler.

Oh it's clearly out, I'm not arguing that, I just don't think it's the same as a stumping where the batter overbalances or a mankad as those are 'in play' in a way Bairstow's wasn't, which would be why I think I'd withdraw the appeal.

 

[Ochre]

Everyone keeps saying that Marnus was batting out of his crease.

He was at different times, but he wasn't when Bairstow attempted to stump him. His back foot was inside, hence he doesn't really panic even though he's watching the ball all the way through.

Sure but the intent was because Marnus was out of his crease when playing it sometimes, not because Marnus was wandering off early to go gardening.

 

[Tugga27]

Just saw this in the cricket thread ...
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I love this tweet from Morgan 9 years ago,

Piers Morgan
@piersmorgan
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Just met Ian Chappell for 1st time. 'Hi, Mr Chappell, I'm Piers Morgan,' I said.
'Nah mate, you're a dickhead,' he replied. Meeting over!
7:12 PM · Jan 1, 2014

 

[Tugga27]

Some Gold from Rohan.
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Jul 4, 2023
@rohan_connolly
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"In their guts, they know". Really? Amazing insight from you, Piers. Have you moved on from hacking phones to gastrointestinal systems now?

Piers Morgan

@piersmorgan
Australians know what happened to @jbairstow21 was wrong. They’re not all admitting it yet, and some are in very intense denial, but in their guts they know.

 

[Osho]

I love this tweet from Morgan 9 years ago,

Piers Morgan
@piersmorgan
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Just met Ian Chappell for 1st time. 'Hi, Mr Chappell, I'm Piers Morgan,' I said.
'Nah mate, you're a dickhead,' he replied. Meeting over!
7:12 PM · Jan 1, 2014

Who doesn't love Chappelli?

 

[Farang83150]

Stole this from the main board....such hypocrites

 

[matthew_s]

Stole this from the main board....such hypocrites

they're not being hypocritical, they don't really believe the BS they have been spouting.

 

[darksquare]

Who doesn't love Chappelli?

Ian Botham?


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[Osho]

Blowers anyone?

 

[Osho]

Ian Botham?


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Deep down, they are very similar, ironically.

 

[Osho]

Geewizz .... searched ashes series, this thread came up, I read and posted, now just realised it's on the WCE forum.

A senior moment!
Apologies.

 

[kane249]

Geewizz .... searched ashes series, this thread came up, I read and posted, now just realised it's on the WCE forum.

A senior moment!
Apologies.

No harm, you are welcome to stay and discuss cricket it's not an Eagles exclusive thread

 

[Osho]

No harm, you are welcome to stay and discuss cricket it's not an Eagles exclusive thread

Righto, thanks.

 

[Doashuey]

Still not seeing a lot of defence around the situation itself, apart from the fact it wasn't illegal.
Just more "yeh but look what England have done though" which is no defence.

It doesn't require defending as it was a perfectly legitimate dismissal. What isn't perfectly legitimate is the Pommy whinging about it whilst completely failing to acknowledge that they have performed the exact same act multiple times but pull the "spirit of the game" card when the shoe is on the other foot. Even to the extent of saying that they would revoke an appeal when they have already demonstrated that they haven't and wouldn't.

 

[Bender_]

It's already been mentioned by other posters in this thread, but the actual loss is barely being talked about. The poms have played this fantastically (unlike the game itself), Australia are the villains and England aren't the losers.

 

[THE A5]

Geewizz .... searched ashes series, this thread came up, I read and posted, now just realised it's on the WCE forum.

A senior moment!
Apologies.

No worries GWS Keys