Big Cricket Thread

[ep2018]

Warner ffs retire mate

 

[matthew_s]

so, 4th test is done (barring an absolute miracle weather-wise)

what do we do for the last test? do we even bother turning up?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

"It's just trying to limit his scoring and try different things … to keep the tail-ender on strike for the next over," said Hazlewood. "I thought we did it reasonably well."

Did it reasonably well? Bloke scored 99* off 81 and put on 70 with Anderson. Are these guys living in a fantasy world?

 

[Dazzler9]

5th Test selections, Murphy the obvious in. Is Starc fit enough to keep going? Sure hope so. We need him. Any other bowling changes? Neser for Hazelwood? I doubt they do that, Hoff just took a 5-for, albeit a poor one. But someone who can hoop it a bit (and bat) would be handy.

Hate to say it, but Green makes way for Murphy, unless he produces with the bat to save this Test.

 

[Spooky17]

Credit to England, they were the better team in the third test and have clearly dominated this test.

What’s happened to us? Have we gotten complacent? Cummins looks a shell of himself and our batters have made poor shots and often thrown away their wickets. Lyon’s loss to injury was perhaps the biggest turning point.

I think the moment when Cummins completely misjudged a catch opportunity on Day 2 sums up our current situation. He looked like a deer in headlights.

We need to pray for rain over the next two days, but more realistically, we need to turn things around mentally before the fifth test, otherwise we come home embarrassed after giving up a two nil lead.

 

[FKASC]

What’s happened to us? Have we gotten complacent? Cummins looks a shell of himself and our batters have made poor shots and often thrown away their wickets. Lyon’s loss to injury was perhaps the biggest turning point.

Reckon too much mental energy went into preparing for the series and all of the drama of the first two tests. Players look cooked, especially Cummins

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Had England taken their chances in the first two tests they wouldn't have been down 0-2.

 

[Truckosaurus]

What happened? We stopped getting lucky.

 

[Mop]

5th Test selections, Murphy the obvious in. Is Starc fit enough to keep going? Sure hope so. We need him. Any other bowling changes? Neser for Hazelwood? I doubt they do that, Hoff just took a 5-for, albeit a poor one. But someone who can hoop it a bit (and bat) would be handy.

Hate to say it, but Green makes way for Murphy, unless he produces with the bat to save this Test.

Marsh may not be fit given he didn't bowl.

 

[Tugga27]

Marsh may not be fit given he didn't bowl.

They hardly bowl him anyway.

He stays as he's just about our best bat at the moment.

 

[Tugga27]

5th Test selections, Murphy the obvious in. Is Starc fit enough to keep going? Sure hope so. We need him. Any other bowling changes? Neser for Hazelwood? I doubt they do that, Hoff just took a 5-for, albeit a poor one. But someone who can hoop it a bit (and bat) would be handy.

Hate to say it, but Green makes way for Murphy, unless he produces with the bat to save this Test.

This.
Hard to see Green keep his spot unless he goes big this innings.

Not sure about Neser.
He's dominating 2nd grade county cricket but I reckon he's that pace where the Poms will just smash him.

Green for Murphy ony change unless there's an injury IMO.

 

[Tugga27]

Warner ffs retire mate

Should've retired when he made his double ton in Sydney but he will have to be pushed.

Having said that, he's scored more runs in this test than most of our batters.

 

[Keys]

Don’t under estimate the impact Wood has had on this series and to a lesser extent Woakes

With Anderson, Broad and Robinson the English attack was a bit one paced but Wood changed that up by being able to move the ball at genuine pace

 

[matthew_s]

This.
Hard to see Green keep his spot unless he goes big this innings.

I won’t gloat…but I was ahead of the curve.

green should be a long term part of the test team…but not if he doesn’t improve. Can’t keep picking someone on potential after 3 yrs.

 

[Ochre]

A test ago we narrowly lost a game that would've put us 3-0 up away against the stronger English team in a long time, right after winning the world test championship, and we've also won a series in Pakistan, drawn a series in Sri Lanka, and been as competitive in India as we've been for 20 years.

This test has been a disgrace and they clearly need to re-evaluate how they deal with the workload Cummins has but I think suggesting the entire coaching staff and leadership group should be sacked is over the top.

 

[matthew_s]

A test ago we narrowly lost a game that would've put us 3-0 up away against the stronger English team in a long time, right after winning the world test championship, and we've also won a series in Pakistan, drawn a series in Sri Lanka, and been as competitive in India as we've been for 20 years.

This test has been a disgrace and they clearly need to re-evaluate how they deal with the workload Cummins has but I think suggesting the entire coaching staff and leadership group should be sacked is over the top.

**** off it is. yeah we won the first 2 but if England play foakes instead of bairstow, they win at least one of those 2.

we’ve been incredibly lucky to snag those wins.

if you can’t see there is an absolute ****ing vacuum in leadership with this team you are not watching.

 

[Ochre]

* off it is. yeah we won the first 2 but if England play foakes instead of bairstow, they win at least one of those 2.

we’ve been incredibly lucky to snag those wins.

if you can’t see there is an absolute ******* vacuum in leadership with this team you are not watching.

We still beat a very good team. England had lost two games total under McCullum/Stokes before this series, one by 1 run, and most of their home tests they've absolutely smashed India/NZ/SA. There's obviously issues but I'd put a lot of that down to Cummins looking physically and mentally spent after 5 tests in 6 weeks.

 

[Dazzler9]

I do feel sorry for Pat. A bowling captain is the toughest of gigs. You've gotta think about your own bowling as well as moves, fielding positions, etc, and you have to be thinking 2-3 overs ahead at all times. On top of that you're getting tonked around, backing up for your 5th test in about 6 weeks, dropping catches in the field.... Not fun times.

 

[Dazzler9]

I do feel sorry for Pat. A bowling captain is the toughest of gigs. You've gotta think about your own bowling as well as moves, fielding positions, etc, and you have to be thinking 2-3 overs ahead at all times. On top of that you're getting tonked around, backing up for your 5th test in about 6 weeks, dropping catches in the field.... Not fun times.

Which is why bowling captains are so rare. It's not like you can take a breather down at fine leg to gather your thoughts between overs. It's a constant state of having to be 100% switched on, all day. And then you've got all the off-field duties at stimps.

 

[matthew_s]

I do feel sorry for Pat. A bowling captain is the toughest of gigs. You've gotta think about your own bowling as well as moves, fielding positions, etc, and you have to be thinking 2-3 overs ahead at all times. On top of that you're getting tonked around, backing up for your 5th test in about 6 weeks, dropping catches in the field.... Not fun times.

as much as Pat deserves his whack, the coaching staff deserve it more. they don’t appear to have offered anything during the periods the team appear to have lost the plot.

 

[Ochre]

I do feel sorry for Pat. A bowling captain is the toughest of gigs. You've gotta think about your own bowling as well as moves, fielding positions, etc, and you have to be thinking 2-3 overs ahead at all times. On top of that you're getting tonked around, backing up for your 5th test in about 6 weeks, dropping catches in the field.... Not fun times.

It's why Lyon out is such a blow, you could pencil him in for 30-35 overs a day, he'd set his own fields, keeps the run rate low.

 

[Dazzler9]

It's why Lyon out is such a blow, you could pencil him in for 30-35 overs a day, he'd set his own fields, keeps the run rate low.

For sure, but we very nearly won without him last Test. Leaving out Murphy was a selection blunder and it has cost us badly so far. It may yet be redeemed if rain and Greeny can save the day but I won't be putting money on it.

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[darksquare]

I won’t gloat…but I was ahead of the curve.

green should be a long term part of the test team…but not if he doesn’t improve. Can’t keep picking someone on potential after 3 yrs.

Needs to go back to Shield cricket and recover the form he showed at 21, when he racked up 1000 runs in a month, between Shield, grade and 50-over. Best suited to batting at 4, where he sets his own tempo.




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[Carbine Chaos]

Green isn't the first player to struggle with their first tour to England and he won't be the last.

 

[InTheWings]

We need to pray for rain over the next two days, but more realistically, we need to turn things around mentally before the fifth test, otherwise we come home embarrassed after giving up a two nil lead.

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