Big Fish ?...Hawthorn trade news and targets thread(not for trade hypotheticals)

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If we get Hopper i bags the nickname Grass
If Glass does something special to get the ball to him then you might hear the commentator say 'Ah, Glass Hopper'... just like in that 1970s TV show Kung Fu.

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Hopper the next Danger/Dusty and Kennedy the next Parker.

If possible to get them both (hugely unlikely im sure) then these two would have the potential to replace the quality of our remaining retiring vets.

JOM/Mitchell/Burton/Kennedy/Hopper are absolute A-grade level talents.

A dominant KPF would be next id assume.

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Is it just me or is the GWS list very overrated.
It seems every player on there list is supposed to be the next big thing.
Definitely not overrated, but I reckon the old saying "Too many cooks spoils the broth" comes into play. They've got a lot of genuine A-Grade talent, people who aren't followers - it may seem like a good problem to have but if you have too many of them everything falls apart a little bit, you need genuine role players.

No good having Coniglio, Shiels, Kelly and Ward if they're all attacking the same ball, or Patton, Cameron and Lobbe if they're there to take marks, kick goals and put on minimal pressure. Hawthorn showed the idea of having foot soldiers to compliment stars; a back line with genuine talent who take the risky kicks or clunk the risky marks (Birch, Lake, Gibson), but also sturdy players who never did the spectacular but defended grimly every game (Guerra, Duryea, Stratton). Honest defensive, hardworking midfielders (Shiels, Sewell, Lewis, Simpkin) to compliment the elite (Burgers, Mitchell, Hodge, Smith). A genuine superstar forward line (Roughy, Gunston, Breust, Cyril, Franklin) with hard working, hard tackling players or honest resting ruckmen who did what was needed every game (Poppy, McEvoy, Hale).

To be fair, our superstars all did the 1% work and the tough stuff too, but the threepeat Hawks and Brisbane sides are outliers and there won't be another side like either of them for 50 years.
 

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Definitely not overrated, but I reckon the old saying "Too many cooks spoils the broth" comes into play. They've got a lot of genuine A-Grade talent, people who aren't followers - it may seem like a good problem to have but if you have too many of them everything falls apart a little bit, you need genuine role players.

No good having Coniglio, Shiels, Kelly and Ward if they're all attacking the same ball, or Patton, Cameron and Lobbe if they're there to take marks, kick goals and put on minimal pressure. Hawthorn showed the idea of having foot soldiers to compliment stars; a back line with genuine talent who take the risky kicks or clunk the risky marks (Birch, Lake, Gibson), but also sturdy players who never did the spectacular but defended grimly every game (Guerra, Duryea, Stratton). Honest defensive, hardworking midfielders (Shiels, Sewell, Lewis, Simpkin) to compliment the elite (Burgers, Mitchell, Hodge, Smith). A genuine superstar forward line (Roughy, Gunston, Breust, Cyril, Franklin) with hard working, hard tackling players or honest resting ruckmen who did what was needed every game (Poppy, McEvoy, Hale).

To be fair, our superstars all did the 1% work and the tough stuff too, but the threepeat Hawks and Brisbane sides are outliers and there won't be another side like either of them for 50 years.
Yeah they were saying on Sen that most of their players grew up playing the Dangerfield role and being the main man ever week and that it's not working having so many guns trying to win the game off their own boot, which is interesting because Hodge was saying during his 300 week that in 2011-12 our biggest issue was players trying to do too much and not do the simple things.
 

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Yeah they were saying on Sen that most of their players grew up playing the Dangerfield role and being the main man ever week and that it's not working having so many guns trying to win the game off their own boot, which is interesting because Hodge was saying during his 300 week that in 2011-12 our biggest issue was players trying to do too much and not do the simple things.
Exactly, and they're all superstars and they're treated as superstars so they weren't really ever taught that need to do the basics well. There's something about the way that Clarko coached, with no player (except Burgers) being better than anyone else, and that everyone was expected to do the basic stuff better. One of my favourite moments of Hodgey being mic'd up was when he took Tommy Mitchell to the side and told him to make sure he stays on his man when he has to.
 
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So far our pillaging of the expansion clubs has yielded Jed Anderson, Jon orourke and jaeger omeara.

Hopefully we start getting some serious gametime out of these imports, especially if we go back and get some more.

Don't know anything about hopper. Will he be able to slot in and get 25 touches a game from the get go?
 

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So far our pillaging of the expansion clubs has yielded Jed Anderson, Jon orourke and jaeger omeara.

Hopefully we start getting some serious gametime out of these imports, especially if we go back and get some more.

Don't know anything about hopper. Will he be able to slot in and get 25 touches a game from the get go?
Got 31 on debut.
 

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So far our pillaging of the expansion clubs has yielded Jed Anderson, Jon orourke and jaeger omeara.

Hopefully we start getting some serious gametime out of these imports, especially if we go back and get some more.

Don't know anything about hopper. Will he be able to slot in and get 25 touches a game from the get go?
He's a bit like Mitchell or DeGoey in that he's not being being used optimally due to an abundance of riches in the midfield. Both Sydney and Collingwood had (and have) stacked midfields. That meant that even though the two afformentioned midfielders were guns, there weren't given free reign. Mitchell was used as a tagger ffs and DeGoey as almost a small key forward.

Mitchell has thrived being the #1 midfielder at Hawthorn. DeGoey racked up 32 disposals against us when he was moved into the midfield. Hopper follows the same trend: he's a powerful, explosive contested ball winning bull who was forced to play across half-forward with stints in the midfield because GWS have an abundance of talented midfielders in their prime. Had 31 on debut playing as a pure midfielder but tapered off when moved.

If we slot him straight into the midfield, I'd be very surprised if he averages anything under 20. This kid is Dangerfield 2.0, and say what you want about Danger but he's a hell of a player. Pity he takes acting lessons on the side.
 
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