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View attachment 367300 Lake: "So how do you feel about filling my Norm Smith winning boots at the Hawks?"

May: "Gooooooooooooooood."
This - need a quality key defender.
One of the main reasons we went 3 in a row was Lake - made Frawley, Stratton and Gibson's roles so much easier and allowed them to rebound confidently and create down back instead of playing conservative tight defensive roles to stop the onslaughts...which obviously doesn't suit/isn't working.
 

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Any reason we wouldn't have the salary cap space to make a similar godfather offer to Josh Kelly that North have made? I couldn't think of a player in the league that fits our needs more - young prototype inside/outside midfielder.

We obviously don't have a lot of trade currency but our 2018 draft pick is likely to be a top 5 and Josh Kelly is worth a top 5 pick and then some. Established player and next years first rounder could get it done.

If he's out of contract and we finish last, we will be able to low ball trades for any out of contract player we can convince to come over.
 
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Kelly would be ideal but we simply don't have the trade pieces...not as things currently stand anyway but I do see us being extremely busy come seasons end.
I've stated before that our list managemnent team will really be earning their keep for the next 2-3 years and I think that this trade period in particular will be our most important for the next decade. It's back on track with picks this year or we are well behind the eight ball with or rebuild.
 

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How much money do people think Hodge, Burgoyne and Gibson are on this year?

With all three (definitely two) finishing up this year, how many 'stars' could we bring in?

1? 2? I think the ideal would be one star midfielder of Rocky/Fyfe/Dusty with Steven May and some speed off half back like an Impey or Saad (though I have no idea on those two players contracts, just example guys).
 
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How much money do people think Hodge, Burgoyne and Gibson are on this year?

With all three (definitely two) finishing up this year, how many 'stars' could we bring in?

1? 2? I think the ideal would be one star midfielder of Rocky/Fyfe/Dusty with Steven May and some speed off half back like an Impey or Saad (though I have no idea on those two players contracts, just example guys).
Do we need 'stars'? If we're in a rebuild wouldn't we better off trading for young talent/draft picks, rather than getting in one or two stars?

Rockliff is a fine player but will be 29 by the time next season starts - I wouldn't see him playing in our next flag so don't see a pursuit of him as something that will benefit us long-term. Fyfe and Martin, again, both excellent players, but they'd command far too much money.

The list is going to need a fairly dramatic overhaul in the next three years and one or two stars is just a band aid measure.

It's nice to imagine some of these players at the Hawks, I just think the cost would be far too much and, ultimately, won't do anything for us.
 

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How much money do people think Hodge, Burgoyne and Gibson are on this year?
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I had a recollection that those three signed on for 2017 on half their 2016 salaries???

Lewis was still on proper money from a four year deal. Sam my resigned for a year on proper money too. I had assumed this was the reason these two were moved on to free up space.



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Do we need 'stars'? If we're in a rebuild wouldn't we better off trading for young talent/draft picks, rather than getting in one or two stars?

Rockliff is a fine player but will be 29 by the time next season starts - I wouldn't see him playing in our next flag so don't see a pursuit of him as something that will benefit us long-term. Fyfe and Martin, again, both excellent players, but they'd command far too much money.

The list is going to need a fairly dramatic overhaul in the next three years and one or two stars is just a band aid measure.

It's nice to imagine some of these players at the Hawks, I just think the cost would be far too much and, ultimately, won't do anything for us.
Rebuild doesn't have to mean 5-7 years.
Rebuild can mean add a star, add a very very good player, draft a couple more good kids to go with the ones coming through, get lucky with a father/son, bob's your uncle were in 4th/5th place end of the 2019 season with a chance to go all the way.

It's not like ALL of our good players have left, or that they're too old to want some more success.

Spend the money you have to spend because of AFL/Players deal requiring certain percentage of cap to be paid out, give us a good product to watch with quality players, and please don't sell me some 5+ year plan requiring bottom four finishes year in year out to supply high draft picks that we'd have to pin hope on to give us a new contending team going forward.
 
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i haven't heard Clarko or anyone t the club talk about re-build. Are people just assuming this? because all signs lead to to Clarko thinking about the here and now and perhaps with an eye for the next 5!
 
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Rebuild doesn't have to mean 5-7 years.
Rebuild can mean add a star, add a very very good player, draft a couple more good kids to go with the ones coming through, get lucky with a father/son, bob's your uncle were in 4th/5th place end of the 2019 season with a chance to go all the way.

It's not like ALL of our good players have left, or that they're too old to want some more success.

Spend the money you have to spend because of AFL/Players deal requiring certain percentage of cap to be paid out, give us a good product to watch with quality players, and please don't sell me some 5+ year plan requiring bottom four finishes year in year out to supply high draft picks that we'd have to pin hope on to give us a new contending team going forward.
Yep, agree with all that but we are going to have to be awfully creative in the draft/trade period in the coming years. We don't come into the draft until the second round this season - unless we trade a first rounder in - and I think getting a star may be out of reach. Why can't we target younger talent who might be homesick or not getting an opportunity an opportunity at their current club? We turned Jack Gunston into a star, no reason why it couldn't happen again rather than getting in a Fyfe, Martin or Rockliff.

Want to spend the money? Give the blokes who deserve it a pay rise. Get Burton on a long-term contract ASAP. If Hardwick and TOB keep going the way they then they'll deserve a rise in pay.

This year's draft/trade period will set us up for the next few years. Chucking everything at a Fyfe or Martin, coupled with retirements of, potentially, Hodge and Burgoyne plus others will set us even further back.
 

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How much money do people think Hodge, Burgoyne and Gibson are on this year?

With all three (definitely two) finishing up this year, how many 'stars' could we bring in?

1? 2? I think the ideal would be one star midfielder of Rocky/Fyfe/Dusty with Steven May and some speed off half back like an Impey or Saad (though I have no idea on those two players contracts, just example guys).
I'd guess Burgoyne and Hodge around $450-500k and Gibson $400-450k
 

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Want to spend the money? Give the blokes who deserve it a pay rise. Get Burton on a long-term contract ASAP. If Hardwick and TOB keep going the way they then they'll deserve a rise in pay.

This year's draft/trade period will set us up for the next few years. Chucking everything at a Fyfe or Martin, coupled with retirements of, potentially, Hodge and Burgoyne plus others will set us even further back.
It's not chucking everything at Fyfe or Martin, there is plenty of cash to splash around.
Our young players like Burton and Hardwick, while exciting, do not deserve 600K a year. Part of the benefit of drafting a good young player is getting a great return for the money until they negotiate their next contract. You don't just throw it at them because you have it sitting around.
Not only have big ticket money earners left the club recently, but more are going.
No one else at this point in the team (eg Shiels, Smitty, Gunners, Rough etc..) are demanding increased contracts because of performance. Tommy Mitchell may be the only one currently outperforming his current deal.

As Hodgey goes, Gibbo goes, Burgers leaves, Rough in the not distant future, there is a tonne of cash to pay your top earners/performers at the club.

At this point, it makes sense trading in or Free Agency filling a couple of high flying highly paid performers.
 

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Wouldn't be surprised if hodgey and Burgoyne play on next year. They are still 2 of the hawks best players. Gibson is gone.
Can't see any big name player fyfe, martin leaving.
Hawks need to target younger - middle aged that can be bought over like zaharakis, trengrove (jack and Jackson), pittard and maybe even motlop (showed some good signs this year). Even trying to get some players with good potential that aren't getting a go at other clubs like Brandon ahchee and Blaine Boekhorst could be worth a look at.
Somehow if the hawks could trick the crows into a deal, Jake lever would be the ideal player to get across and play alongside Burton and brand.
 

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i haven't heard Clarko or anyone t the club talk about re-build. Are people just assuming this? because all signs lead to to Clarko thinking about the here and now and perhaps with an eye for the next 5!
Believe it's all media driven, mainly by the usual culprits. Healy, Robbo, Brownie and King
 

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Wouldn't be surprised if hodgey and Burgoyne play on next year. They are still 2 of the hawks best players. Gibson is gone.
Can't see any big name player fyfe, martin leaving.
Hawks need to target younger - middle aged that can be bought over like zaharakis, trengrove (jack and Jackson), pittard and maybe even motlop (showed some good signs this year). Even trying to get some players with good potential that aren't getting a go at other clubs like Brandon ahchee and Blaine Boekhorst could be worth a look at.
Somehow if the hawks could trick the crows into a deal, Jake lever would be the ideal player to get across and play alongside Burton and brand.
Pass on the bolded, but we should be sniffing out younger guys at clubs on the fringes at the moment
 

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Wouldn't be surprised if hodgey and Burgoyne play on next year. They are still 2 of the hawks best players. Gibson is gone.
Can't see any big name player fyfe, martin leaving.
Hawks need to target younger - middle aged that can be bought over like zaharakis, trengrove (jack and Jackson), pittard and maybe even motlop (showed some good signs this year). Even trying to get some players with good potential that aren't getting a go at other clubs like Brandon ahchee and Blaine Boekhorst could be worth a look at.
Somehow if the hawks could trick the crows into a deal, Jake lever would be the ideal player to get across and play alongside Burton and brand.
I agree with everything you say bar Motlop, would rather target look at someone younger. Agree with Lever, think he could be attainable as the crows are reasonable traders, add Rockcliff to the midfield as a free agent and we are well on our way to filling in the missing pieces.
 
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Wouldn't be surprised if hodgey and Burgoyne play on next year. They are still 2 of the hawks best players. Gibson is gone.
Can't see any big name player fyfe, martin leaving.
Hawks need to target younger - middle aged that can be bought over like zaharakis, trengrove (jack and Jackson), pittard and maybe even motlop (showed some good signs this year). Even trying to get some players with good potential that aren't getting a go at other clubs like Brandon ahchee and Blaine Boekhorst could be worth a look at.
Somehow if the hawks could trick the crows into a deal, Jake lever would be the ideal player to get across and play alongside Burton and brand.
If zaharakis wasn't so ******* average he would be great for us.

As in, at his very best he's a great winger/hff- he just doesn't hit that level very often
 
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jacob Hopper fits the description perfectly! we need to outbid Carlton and get SOS's grubby hands off him. talk of Motlop, Trengove, Pittard aren't thetypes that we need, we need a young inside mid - gun a few years away from his peak to bolster the middle of the ground and be around the same age as Tom, Jagaer, Lovell and Langers when we are ready for our next tilt. our forward line is still young enough and definitely good enough and with Burton, Brand and Hardwick settling in down back we should have a very balanced and strong team in the next year or two.
 

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Do we need 'stars'? If we're in a rebuild wouldn't we better off trading for young talent/draft picks, rather than getting in one or two stars?

Rockliff is a fine player but will be 29 by the time next season starts - I wouldn't see him playing in our next flag so don't see a pursuit of him as something that will benefit us long-term. Fyfe and Martin, again, both excellent players, but they'd command far too much money.

The list is going to need a fairly dramatic overhaul in the next three years and one or two stars is just a band aid measure.

It's nice to imagine some of these players at the Hawks, I just think the cost would be far too much and, ultimately, won't do anything for us.
maybe I'm being a bit naive but I don't think we are heading down the path of full rebuild. I'm hopeful that we are just a few pieces away from really competing again as our players such as Gunston, Rioli, Breust, Frawley, TOM and co are easily young enough to keep playing top level football for awhile to come.

I do agree that the sort of money being thrown at Fyfe and Dusty is not something Hawks would do. We let Buddy go so I can't see us giving more money to a different player.

Maybe going after the couple of younger stars like Whitfield and Hopper instead of the absolute big stars would be the way to go. Throw in a healthy JOM with our younger players like Hardwick/burton imporoving I can see us competing almost immediately.
 
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