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Dixon didn't have a good first half of 2016 ffs. Some of those goals were against Brisbane, Gold Coast, Asadendon, Richmond, Carlton, Melbourne...

If he was the big Texan he'd be considered ultimate captain flat track.
"He didn't have a good first half of the season, he only kicked goals against these sides which are too numerous for me to list without utilising an ellipsis". He was averaging 2.6 goals a game up until round 10. This is ridiculous revisionist history.

So you give zero to the view that if he were good enough he would perform in spite of it? He's completely helpless and beholden to the actions of people in the box?
If he was a generational talent like Robbie Gray or Lance Franklin, yeah, he might. Outside of that? Sorry who else is doing what you're describing here?

I'd absolutely love for you to give me a list of potential trade targets at the time of similar value who would have performed better over the journey than Charlie has given how terrible our forward line strategy has been for his entire time here.
 

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It’s partly this but Charlie’s goalkicking is just awful now. I have absolutely no confidence in his ability to score, it seems like a spin of the big wheel every time.
So is everyone who plays in the forward half of the ground apart from Kane Farrell. Are we just unlucky or is there something fundamentally we're doing wrong throughout the entire team?
 

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People used to laugh at me when I told them that John Butcher had shown plenty to show he could be an AFL quality KPF, and I said that the system and the club was letting him down.

Now we're arguing Charlie Dixon isn't good enough. And Todd Marshall isn't good enough. And Billy Frampton isn't good enough.

If Charlie Dixon had been traded literally anywhere else, including the likes of Carlton, he'd be around the AA squad every year. Instead he's at Port where his confidence is gone and he's got the yips, just like every other KPF we've had over the past 4 years.
 

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"He didn't have a good first half of the season, he only kicked goals against these sides which are too numerous for me to list without utilising an ellipsis". He was averaging 2.6 goals a game up until round 10. This is ridiculous revisionist history.



If he was a generational talent like Robbie Gray or Lance Franklin, yeah, he might. Outside of that? Sorry who else is doing what you're describing here?

I'd absolutely love for you to give me a list of potential trade targets at the time of similar value who would have performed better over the journey than Charlie has given how terrible our forward line strategy has been for his entire time here.
Just about every good key forward has kicked a lot of goals in bad years. Dixon hasn't even hit the lofty heights of Josh Bruce.

Unless you are suggesting most teams have a generational talent getting about at any given time? Kind of devalues the term.


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Butcher could have been a good KPF, as can Frampton. They were or are good enough.

Dixon is a starting forward sure but not a star forward. I've seen enough to say that unless he received serious specialist help.

He has no craft or finesse, no deft usage of his body, can't lead well enough, can't stick grabs and can't make the right decisions on how to kick.

He's big and strong and quick off the mark and can sometimes stick a grab and a nice long leg unless it's a set shot and can wrestle, but they are all kind of basic qualities.

On paper Dixon has qualities similar to the G-Train, but something tells me if you were to swap him in to their 2004 side he wouldn't have kicked the tonne.


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Just about every good key forward has kicked a lot of goals in bad years. Dixon hasn't even hit the lofty heights of Josh Bruce.

Unless you are suggesting most t a have a generational talent getting about in any given time? Kind of devalues the term.
Josh Bruce doesn't play in a Hinkley/Bassett forward line, edgie.

It doesn't matter how bad or good a team is, it matters how the forward line sets up. Jack Riewoldt won a Coleman playing for a horrendous Richmond side because they set absolutely everything up around getting him the ball in space as often as possible.

We on the other hand don't set up to advantage any of our forwards anywhere ever. We don't play 2nd and 3rd KPFs as a foil. We don't play Dixon with other key forwards regularly enough to build up any sort of chemistry. We don't move the ball with any sort of system so that Charlie can get into a groove. We don't move intelligently or make space for Charlie to lead into. We sit the ball on his head and expect him to take contested marks against multiple opponents.

Under a coach that valued forward craft, or structure, or consistency of selection, or natural goalscoring, or had any interest in the forward 50 whatsoever, Dixon would be a good to very good AFL level key forward.
 

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So is everyone who plays in the forward half of the ground apart from Kane Farrell. Are we just unlucky or is there something fundamentally we're doing wrong throughout the entire team?
We aren’t unlucky. We have poor skills and it goes well beyond our goalkicking.

Dixon’s kicking is exceptionally bad over and above angles and all the “excessive running” for want of a better term. It is truly anyone’s guess where his kicks are going to go right now. He needs to stay back with X and work on it.

As for the others well Westhoff has been headnicked for a decade and the Grays can’t kick more than 35m. Not sure we’re fixing any of that.

We need to look to the future now. Some of the younger guys are our most skilful i.e. Farrell, Rozee, Amon, Butters, Houston but unfortunately none of them are KPFs. I reckon Frampton’s action is solid so there’s something to work with there (but his development has been stunted) and Marshall seems to be on track to become Hoff II.

We’re in a bit of a pickle.
 

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It isn't all the way we set up, that doesn't excuse his inability to time his leads, get separation on his opponents, not being able to use his body to advantage with those little deft bumps and touches, concrete hands, running straight under the ball rather than picking his moment to go (back to lead timing).

Like, do others not see it? It isn't all on Hinkley footy.

Bad kicking is his issue too. If he wanted he could take responsibility to improve it in his own time. This is Port though and work life balance says that he'd rather travel out to the middle of nowhere on his day off to pick up some more project cars.


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Set shot kicking for goal is all in a player's head. It's essentially a simple skill which your average AFL player could and would execute 9 times out of 10 in a non-pressured environment. Executing it with tens of thousands of people watching and focusing on you isn't about skill execution, it's about confidence. Our club has sapped Dixon of his.

Dixon was an excellent kick for goal at the Gold Coast. 41.15 in his last season for them. Hinkley and Bassett ruined him.
 

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Dixon didn't have a good first half of 2016 ffs. Some of those goals were against Brisbane, Gold Coast, Asadendon, Richmond, Carlton, Melbourne...

If he was the big Texan he'd be considered ultimate captain flat track.
There are some polarised opinions in this thread, some of them mine. But comparing Charlie to Tex?? C'mon man...
 

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It’s partly this but Charlie’s goalkicking is just awful now. I have absolutely no confidence in his ability to score, it seems like a spin of the big wheel every time.
Remember a month or two ago when every media hack was saying Richmond should drop Tom Lynch?

Dixon's coming back from a car-accident-esque leg injury, into possibly the most dysfunctional forward structure we've seen in his time at the club, with no pre-season fitness base to speak of.

Expecting him to immediately start scoring two or three goals a week is laughable, as is expecting him to rebuild the aerobic capacity that AFL demands by playing in the SANFL.

Without the fitness, and without any support (like Duckimus Prime explained), it's no surprise that his kicking is off - he's likely exhausted every time he has a shot.

Butcher could have been a good KPF
His kicking action was fundamentally (and, based on his hips, irreparably) flawed, but if you're willing to overlook that then sure.
 

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Executing it with tens of thousands of people watching and focusing on you isn't about skill execution, it's about confidence. Our club has sapped Dixon of his.
It's about endurance.

Go to your local oval, and take 10 shots from whatever distance and angle you think you can reliably hit 80-90% of them. Then repeat the exercise, but, before every shot, put in 3-4 minutes of sprint efforts. See how many shots you hit, and how easily you can get your breath back in the AFL-allotted 30 second shot clock.
 

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Remember a month or two ago when every media hack was saying Richmond should drop Tom Lynch?

Dixon's coming back from a car-accident-esque leg injury, into possibly the most dysfunctional forward structure we've seen in his time at the club, with no pre-season fitness base to speak of.

Expecting him to immediately start scoring two or three goals a week is laughable, as is expecting him to rebuild the aerobic capacity that AFL demands by playing in the SANFL.

Without the fitness, and without any support (like Duckimus Prime explained), it's no surprise that his kicking is off - he's likely exhausted every time he has a shot.



His kicking action was fundamentally (and, based on his hips, irreparably) flawed, but if you're willing to overlook that then sure.
Expecting two goals a game is laughable? OK then.

The fitness argument would hold greater weight if his accuracy was even half decent at the start and waned as games wore on. But it’s not. He can’t be gassed in the first quarter and if he is then he shouldn’t be out there.
 

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It isn't all the way we set up, that doesn't excuse his inability to time his leads, get separation on his opponents, not being able to use his body to advantage with those little deft bumps and touches, concrete hands, running straight under the ball rather than picking his moment to go (back to lead timing).
Actually, his lack of chemistry and timing with his teammates leading to poorly timed and directed leads and the inability to get into space is all about how we set up. Funnily he didn't have this issue at the Gold Coast of all place.

You talk about his bodywork as if he's regularly 1 on 1.

He could definitely hold more marks than he does but most of the ones he's dropping he's getting his hands to despite a strong double team.

Bad kicking is his issue too. If he wanted he could take responsibility to improve it in his own time. This is Port though and work life balance says that he'd rather travel out to the middle of nowhere on his day off to pick up some more project cars.
Agree, if only we could get Dixon, R.Gray, Ebert, Westhoff, Ryder, Motlop, Boak, Duursma, Butters, Wines, Powell-Pepper, S.Gray, Marshall and Boak to work on their goal kicking in their own time, all our goalkicking problems would be solved. After all, it's their issue individually too.
 

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Agree, if only we could get Dixon, R.Gray, Ebert, Westhoff, Ryder, Motlop, Boak, Duursma, Butters, Wines, Powell-Pepper, S.Gray, Marshall and Boak to work on their goal kicking in their own time, all our goalkicking problems would be solved. After all, it's their issue individually too.
Poor Boaky has to work on it twice. He’s probably the best of that bunch too.
 

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Despite coming back from a car accident type leg break without a preseason, Dixon has our 2nd highest goal per game average for 2019, only behind fringe player Kane Farrell.
 

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Despite coming back from a car accident type leg break without a preseason, Dixon has our 2nd highest goal per game average for 2019, only behind fringe player Kane Farrell.
Equal with Rozee, Ebert and Sam Gray (all four are on 1.2 goals per game). No one is shooting the lights out here.
 

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Expecting two goals a game is laughable? OK then.
There's not too many players going at 2+ goals per game this season. Very few of them are coming off a serious leg injury, and none of them play for Port Adelaide.

Averaging 2+ is a perfectly reasonable expectation once Dixon is up and running. Right now, with the unholy trinity of his injury, his fitness, and our structure? Nah.
 

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There's not too many players going at 2+ goals per game this season. Very few of them are coming off a serious leg injury, and none of them play for Port Adelaide.

Averaging 2+ is a perfectly reasonable expectation once Dixon is up and running. Right now, with the unholy trinity of his injury, his fitness, and our structure? Nah.
Funnily enough he’s probably had enough opportunities to average 2 goals per game.

If not for, you know, his accuracy.
 

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