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Does Charlie? Because I have played with some pretty good KFs in my time and some bad KFs and the only things that matter in that position is LEADING, MARKING, and KICKING GOALS. I have said this before and I will keep repeating it, bringing the ball to ground as a game plan is insane all you are doing is adding extra complexity to a pretty simple formula kick mark goal. By turning a potential 1v1 between a leading FF and trailing FB into a scrap on the ground where you invite in all the small defenders.
Maybe ask those key forwards if competing and making sure the ball hits the ground etc are things that matter??

your view on a key forward is too simplistic, it’s 1980s key forwards.. no key forward just leads and marks.. I can’t think of one in the league that does it. Let along mark and lead to a drew, spp, boak or wines kick..pointless leading to that..

charlies role is to compete and bring the ball to ground and our band of elite skills will go to work. He had a shocker last night but he wasn’t alone. He takes the best defender and then most times he also has the next best handing off him and if the ball movement is slow he has the ruckman dropping back.. and most of the times he gets the ball to ground, throws his body at the contest to bring it to ground.

sure he has concrete hands at times, but I’ll take him over anything we have and to think people want ladhams back in, in his place..fu** me, the side is doomed if we have ladhams as our big gorilla.

he adds far more to this side then I think some give him credit.
 

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Maybe ask those key forwards if competing and making sure the ball hits the ground etc are things that matter??

your view on a key forward is too simplistic, it’s 1980s key forwards.. no key forward just leads and marks.. I can’t think of one in the league that does it. Let along mark and lead to a drew, spp, boak or wines kick..pointless leading to that..

charlies role is to compete and bring the ball to ground and our band of elite skills will go to work. He had a shocker last night but he wasn’t alone. He takes the best defender and then most times he also has the next best handing off him and if the ball movement is slow he has the ruckman dropping back.. and most of the times he gets the ball to ground, throws his body at the contest to bring it to ground.

sure he has concrete hands at times, but I’ll take him over anything we have and to think people want ladhams back in, in his place..fu** me, the side is doomed if we have ladhams as our big gorilla.

he adds far more to this side then I think some give him credit.
Bullshit Cameron is on his bike all game, Hawkins is a master of leading and the best in the game at it, Kennedy is the second best and takes a crazy amount of marks with his man a metre behind him, Darling is pretty good at creating separation from Kennedy and knows how to make both of them dangerous by staying out of Kennedys leading lane. Naughton, the kings, and Jack Reiwoldt all good at at making separation.

1980s Football my arse, workrate is something that will stay fashionable in football for ever, Nick Reiwoldt built a career by willing to run himself into the ground. There are different forms of bravery in football and running as hard as you can as long as you can is one of the most important, and Charlie has proven that he is unwilling to commit to straight line running and repeat leads on a consistent basis preferring to wrestle and invite in huge amounts of pressure.

If park footballers can consistently hit 30 metre 45s you are kidding yourself that elite footballers can't. I would love leading to boak Gray motlop rozee Houston Butters they would be able to read my mind and hit me consistently so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Defend Dixon all you want if he was a good forward he would have kicked double the amount of goals to games played and if he was a great forward three goals he averages 1.6 goals. Once again if his role is really to bring it to ground we have the dumbest coach of all time.
 

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While his marking is sh*t at times, I’m with those who say Dixon’s main problem is with how has been coached (and how the forward line is structured). He needs to stop with the wrestling bullshit. It gives his opponent too much of a chance to influence the game. It might work with some defenders but for the likes of Andrews, you’re just making it easy for him.
 

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Bullshit Cameron is on his bike all game, Hawkins is a master of leading and the best in the game at it, Kennedy is the second best and takes a crazy amount of marks with his man a metre behind him, Darling is pretty good at creating separation from Kennedy and knows how to make both of them dangerous by staying out of Kennedys leading lane. Naughton, the kings, and Jack Reiwoldt all good at at making separation.

1980s Football my arse, workrate is something that will stay fashionable in football for ever, Nick Reiwoldt built a career by willing to run himself into the ground. There are different forms of bravery in football and running as hard as you can as long as you can is one of the most important, and Charlie has proven that he is unwilling to commit to straight line running and repeat leads on a consistent basis preferring to wrestle and invite in huge amounts of pressure.

If park footballers can consistently hit 30 metre 45s you are kidding yourself that elite footballers can't. I would love leading to boak Gray motlop rozee Houston Butters they would be able to read my mind and hit me consistently so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Defend Dixon all you want if he was a good forward he would have kicked double the amount of goals to games played and if he was a great forward three goals he averages 1.6 goals. Once again if his role is really to bring it to ground we have the dumbest coach of all time.
If he got the frees that the w***ers mentioned in your little rant got then he would of kicked triple the goals
 

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If he got the frees that the w***ers mentioned in your little rant got then he would of kicked triple the goals
fu** that beat the umps and your man by taking them out of the play by getting on your bike, instead of relying on corrupt little men who can't play the game who have allegiances to their own team most likely a Victorian club.
 

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Bullshit Cameron is on his bike all game, Hawkins is a master of leading and the best in the game at it, Kennedy is the second best and takes a crazy amount of marks with his man a metre behind him, Darling is pretty good at creating separation from Kennedy and knows how to make both of them dangerous by staying out of Kennedys leading lane. Naughton, the kings, and Jack Reiwoldt all good at at making separation.

1980s Football my arse, workrate is something that will stay fashionable in football for ever, Nick Reiwoldt built a career by willing to run himself into the ground. There are different forms of bravery in football and running as hard as you can as long as you can is one of the most important, and Charlie has proven that he is unwilling to commit to straight line running and repeat leads on a consistent basis preferring to wrestle and invite in huge amounts of pressure.

If park footballers can consistently hit 30 metre 45s you are kidding yourself that elite footballers can't. I would love leading to boak Gray motlop rozee Houston Butters they would be able to read my mind and hit me consistently so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Defend Dixon all you want if he was a good forward he would have kicked double the amount of goals to games played and if he was a great forward three goals he averages 1.6 goals. Once again if his role is really to bring it to ground we have the dumbest coach of all time.
Cameron is a completely different player As is Riewoldt and darling they are lead up forwards, not the traditional big key forward. They are hybrids.

we can compare Dixon to Kennedy and Hawkins or even lynch , Hawkins has been much maligned during his career, probably had 2-3 really good seasons. Kennedy is a gun, and where he has Charlie covered is he hardly misses, he can have 4 goals from 4 kicks, lynch has been up and down as well.

you also need to consider who the players delivering to them, compare them to our blokes kicking to Dixon, so when he’s one out and leads the ball goes too high or over his head.. not even Cameron or darl8ng would mark an Ollie wines short pass, nor a SPP kick, nor a Boak kick..

that is our game plan, haven’t you been watching, our game plan is to kick long to Charlie and he brings it to ground, it’s been our game plan for the last 5 years. its certainly our bailout plan..

he’s not going to kick 3-4 goals a game, he may contribute that with his bullocking and pressure and freeing up a player for Marshall and Georgie
 

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Anybody see his interview on that On the Mark show?

Loves his cars, and clearly had some mental struggles from breaking and rehabbing his foot from that late 2018 West Coast game.

He's a sensitive guy and doesn't seem to thrive in a back-against-the-wall situation.

I love big Charlie, but some guys love the adversity of falling over and getting back up and defying the odds, and I think he'll always struggle in that situation.
 

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Cameron is a completely different player As is Riewoldt and darling they are lead up forwards, not the traditional big key forward. They are hybrids.

we can compare Dixon to Kennedy and Hawkins or even lynch , Hawkins has been much maligned during his career, probably had 2-3 really good seasons. Kennedy is a gun, and where he has Charlie covered is he hardly misses, he can have 4 goals from 4 kicks, lynch has been up and down as well.

you also need to consider who the players delivering to them, compare them to our blokes kicking to Dixon, so when he’s one out and leads the ball goes too high or over his head.. not even Cameron or darl8ng would mark an Ollie wines short pass, nor a SPP kick, nor a Boak kick..

that is our game plan, haven’t you been watching, our game plan is to kick long to Charlie and he brings it to ground, it’s been our game plan for the last 5 years. its certainly our bailout plan..

he’s not going to kick 3-4 goals a game, he may contribute that with his bullocking and pressure and freeing up a player for Marshall and Georgie
Yep all of that to say that Charlie Dixon isn't a great forward who stands and wrestles instead of taking the mark. We have other players who deliver the ball inside 50 than Wines and most of the players in our team are good to great kicks it's one of our differentiations to other clubs, but you can only utilise your great kicks if players up the ground move. Look at Lance Franklin he runs directly at the ball carrier with his arms out wide he becomes the only thing the the defenders see they are all drawn to him and he creates space in the forward fifty, thats why hawthorn were able to hit so many kicks into their forward line movement. Without movement you create stagnation which allows the defenders guarding space, time to create a contest either intercepting or bringing the ball to ground.
 

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Yep all of that to say that Charlie Dixon isn't a great forward who stands and wrestles instead of taking the mark. We have other players who deliver the ball inside 50 than Wines and most of the players in our team are good to great kicks it's one of our differentiations to other clubs, but you can only utilise your great kicks if players up the ground move. Look at Lance Franklin he runs directly at the ball carrier with his arms out wide he becomes the only thing the the defenders see they are all drawn to him and he creates space in the forward fifty, thats why hawthorn were able to hit so many kicks into their forward line movement. Without movement you create stagnation which allows the defenders guarding space, time to create a contest either intercepting or bringing the ball to ground.
Ya comparing apples with oranges..

different player types. Plus ya comparing him to one of the AFL greats.

in comparisons with similar players his record isn’t too bad.. what’s Hawkins averages?
 

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Ya comparing apples with oranges..

different player types. Plus ya comparing him to one of the AFL greats.

in comparisons with similar players his record isn’t too bad.. what’s Hawkins averages?
I shouldn't have to look this up for you but he's kicked over 600 from 270 games. Okay I'm not comparing him to anyone I'm saying running at the ball carrier and creating multiple leads when you're ignored, creates movement in the forward line which creates time and space for the other forwards to move in and be creative.
 

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Honestly not seeing anything different from Charlie lately that I haven't already seen for stretches in 2016, 2018, 2019...

Not sure what the rest of you are getting worked up over. Been accepting and even celebrating this kinda footy for years now...

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When asked what makes a great forward, guys like Brereton and Carey say 'work rate', now the 80s definition of work was probably different to the 90s one too, but the consistent of working hard is a constant.
 

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If he got the frees that the w***ers mentioned in your little rant got then he would of kicked triple the goals
He would have had triple the shots. Whether he kicks them or not is a different matter. Last night he was not our worst by a long stretch but also was outplayed by Andrew’s too much. He had two regulation set shots that he missed and a mark/set shot reversed thanks to Hartlett. If he kicked 3 goals or 2.1, it would be a fair bit better.

Ultimately, Dixon will be or at least should be remembered as a big, generally angry key forward, who wrestled a lot, took some nice one handed marks, rarely found space or led and was a pretty hit or miss shot for goal. I would say he has had an average, arguably disappointing career at both clubs. Two very good seasons for us, but in both he let us down in finals. In 2017 because of goal kicking, in 2020 because of his inability to create or find space.
 

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Dixon also never really threw his power around meaningfully. I wouldn't be scared to play on him. I'd be more concerned about playing on Flogarty. Dixon's never been unfair, which I guess is good, but he's also never even managed to hurt someone fairly.
 

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Ultimately, Dixon will be or at least should be remembered as a big, generally angry key forward, who wrestled a lot, took some nice one handed marks, rarely found space or led and was a pretty hit or miss shot for goal. I would say he has had an average, arguably disappointing career at both clubs. Two very good seasons for us, but in both he let us down in finals. In 2017 because of goal kicking, in 2020 because of his inability to create or find space.
And because his coach chooses to focus on him far too much, especially against the better teams in the comp, he makes our forward line very one-dimensional and predictable. Opposition defenders don't even need to think where the ball is going to go - they know that if Georgi, for example, takes off on a lead, no defender bothers to trail them because we will predictably "bomb it to Charlie".

He may win us the occasional game against sides who have no physical match-up for him. But for any well-organised AFL defence who can physically match him, he's no trouble at all.
 

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And because his coach chooses to focus on him far too much, especially against the better teams in the comp, he makes our forward line very one-dimensional and predictable. Opposition defenders don't even need to think where the ball is going to go - they know that if Georgi, for example, takes off on a lead, no defender bothers to trail them because we will predictably "bomb it to Charlie".

He may win us the occasional game against sides who have no physical match-up for him. But for any well-organised AFL defence who can physically match him, he's no trouble at all.
It's been the same since his first game, Jay Schulz was burned a dozen times in round 1 2016 so we could sit it on Charlie's head. Usually that kind of drilling of how to play takes more than one off season.
 

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Ya comparing apples with oranges..

different player types. Plus ya comparing him to one of the AFL greats.

in comparisons with similar players his record isn’t too bad.. what’s Hawkins averages?
Hawkins hasn't kicked less than 46 goals in a season since Steven Salopek donned the black white and teal.
 

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Dixon also never really threw his power around meaningfully. I wouldn't be scared to play on him. I'd be more concerned about playing on Flogarty. Dixon's never been unfair, which I guess is good, but he's also never even managed to hurt someone fairly.
Just himself.
 

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I liked the idea of playing him deep but he just draws a crowd and wrestles perhaps the cross country Charlie tactic up field so he can get some uncontested chips 'n dribbles I dunno.
 

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