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When asked what makes a great forward, guys like Brereton and Carey say 'work rate', now the 80s definition of work was probably different to the 90s one too, but the consistent of working hard is a constant.
That doesn't mean working hardery, it means working hard but smart. Charlie wears himself out doing all the wrong things.
 

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The problem last night was that our long balls into our forward line either resulted in a clean Brisbane mark (way too often) or a dropped mark by Marshall or Dixon. It was as much about Charlie not bringing the ball to ground as it was his lack of marking. He and Marshall dropped some fairly regulation marks too.
 

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I'd give him a week off maybe two he looks cooked
To be fair and it may be unpopular, I'd move him on at years end, for someone who's been in the system so long and is supposed to lead our forward line he does a piss poor job of it, he gets delivered the ball constantly and does nothing with it. A bunch of argy bargy but very little substance when the whips get cracking.

You've got Joe ******* Daniher bombing 50+ meter goals and taking grabs like it's dry down one end and Charlie "crashing packs" and shaking kicks down the other.
 

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I'll never understand how people can watch Dixon spend the whole game presenting as high as half back to make and impact contests, and provide a target for us coming out of defence, and then say the problem is workrate or effort or intent.

He works ******* hard.

Comparisons to Franklin are stupid. Franklin is a once in a generation (historically, once in a lifetime) player. If every player worse than peak Franklin is a bad player then there are no good forwards in the league.

Comparisons to Nick Riewoldt are barking up the wrong tree, too. One of Riewoldt's greatest strengths was his incredible aerobic capacity. I guess it's technically possible that Dixon has the same tank and nobody's ever bothered to develop it, but it seems unlikely. You have to play (and be coached to play) to your strengths.

We cannot question if he's working hard. We can, and absolutely should, question if he's working smart. Some of that is on Dixon, some of it is on the coaches. Concrete hands is him. Not seeing the ball is him (though maybe his vision problem is as good as it's ever going to get). But the wrestling and the not leading? There's not often space for him to lead into - our structure still seems to rely on using Dixon to create space and opportunities for smalls and crumbers instead. Pushing up to half back, or stints in the ruck? He's doing what he's told to by the coaches.
 

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This is the kicker for me. GC managed to play him to his strengths better than we ever could. I think its coaching. Whoever instructs him to wrestle with his opponents and wait for the ball to come to him is the problem.
Someone should have told him to watch Tommy porkins last year. Stand behind your defender and push him under the ball.
 

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I'll never understand how people can watch Dixon spend the whole game presenting as high as half back to make and impact contests, and provide a target for us coming out of defence, and then say the problem is workrate or effort or intent.

He works ******* hard.

Comparisons to Franklin are stupid. Franklin is a once in a generation (historically, once in a lifetime) player. If every player worse than peak Franklin is a bad player then there are no good forwards in the league.

Comparisons to Nick Riewoldt are barking up the wrong tree, too. One of Riewoldt's greatest strengths was his incredible aerobic capacity. I guess it's technically possible that Dixon has the same tank and nobody's ever bothered to develop it, but it seems unlikely. You have to play (and be coached to play) to your strengths.

We cannot question if he's working hard. We can, and absolutely should, question if he's working smart. Some of that is on Dixon, some of it is on the coaches. Concrete hands is him. Not seeing the ball is him (though maybe his vision problem is as good as it's ever going to get). But the wrestling and the not leading? There's not often space for him to lead into - our structure still seems to rely on using Dixon to create space and opportunities for smalls and crumbers instead. Pushing up to half back, or stints in the ruck? He's doing what he's told to by the coaches.
This is it in a nutshell. He doesn't draw/demand the footy through movement and leading... It's just not him. Maybe it's not being a natural footballer from an underage level ??

Georgiades has presented more and taken more marks in front since he's been in. Again, this comes naturally to him.

But Chuck busts his ass for us, and we are a better side with him in it.
 

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Tredders worked to the HB line all the time. Schulz too.

Charlies problem isn't working hard up the ground, he doesn't work in the 50 and double back, lead again, dummy lead, etc. It's a combination of timing and also wanting to stand and wrestle. It's probably coaching too.

We just can't get any of our forwards anywhere on the ground to find enough seperation to make it look like they work hard. Why is it the defenders are always so close to our players they'd be inside them if any closer?
 

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This is it in a nutshell. He doesn't draw/demand the footy through movement and leading... It's just not him. Maybe it's not being a natural footballer from an underage level ??

Georgiades has presented more and taken more marks in front since he's been in. Again, this comes naturally to him.

But Chuck busts his ass for us, and we are a better side with him in it.



I get the feeling he is told to stay and take on 2-3 defenders and bring the ball to ground - not lead?
 

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Tredders worked to the HB line all the time. Schulz too.

Charlies problem isn't working hard up the ground, he doesn't work in the 50 and double back, lead again, dummy lead, etc. It's a combination of timing and also wanting to stand and wrestle. It's probably coaching too.

We just can't get any of our forwards anywhere on the ground to find enough seperation to make it look like they work hard. Why is it the defenders are always so close to our players they'd be inside them if any closer?
Yep nail meet head i have a fair idea why and it's Dixon not having a natural forwards bone in his body. If your key forward doesn't know how to work a forward line you are crippling yourself.
 

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Geez, folks...

When a team plays well, average players look like superstars; when a team plays badly, good players look like sh*t.

Saturday was the latter. The entire forward line was a joke. The midfield was lost. The back line got exposed. With the ball, we couldn’t execute basic stuff. Without the ball, our pressure was non-existent. Pinpointing Charlie is ridiculously unfair.

Just like anyone else, he has strengths and weaknesses. Our job as a team is to use his strengths to our advantage. Our opponents will try to exploit his weaknesses. At the Gabba, we failed.

Specially at night, Charlie cannot be used as a marking tall. That’s on Todd and Mitch. When we bomb to Dixon, we are playing for a contest. Only if they kept intercepting the ball, even if they are winning the contests, using Charlie isn’t working. Otherwise, he is doing his job.

Let’s say he wasn’t doing his job on Saturday. Regardless of the reason for such a failure, whenever it happens we need to change the strategy. If we don’t, we are going to keep failing throughout the game.

Is this failure on Charlie, the coaches, the forwards, the mids?! I don’t know. Each game is different. It could be on Charlie. But when it’s on him, the others have the responsibility to change the way we play. If they don’t, then it’s on them as well.

Finally, we may change, but the alternatives also fail. Again, the blame cannot fall on Charlie’s shoulders alone. Sometimes, we simply get beaten.

I believe that was the case in Perth. The Eagles played like a Premiership side, and we couldn’t lift our game to their level.

Last Saturday, it was different. We played like a wooden-spoon side, and the Lions didn’t need to lift their game to win.

We can complain about Dixon for that. But we would need to do similar complaints to almost all players and coaches, if not all of them.
 
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Sick of this big Dix sh*t.
The two other kids up there have been better than him all year. Stop running under the ******* ball.
He's mentally shot as well. You can tell when the goal kicking goes to sh*t , go for a ride on your Harley down York Peninsula with chadwick and zone out for the week.
 

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He's effective for us if you don't hold some ridiculous view that he's a star, his flaws would still exist under any coach.
He's got the tools to be a star if he/the team uses them better, he's not Damon White ffs.

Mark. Kick. Goal. Outbody. Extract. That's what he can do well in theory.

No one is expecting him to take 20 marks a game Nick Riewoldt style, be able to hit up deep forwards with spearing kicks both sides of the body Tredders style, or kick extraordinary running goals like Buddy, but gee, you reckon he could bring his forward focused averages a bit closer to someone like Tex bloody Walker.
 

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One question for this thread, what games over the last 5 and a half seasons would you say Charlie Dixon has won because of the individual work he has delivered?
Geez, folks...

When a team plays well, average players look like superstars; when a team plays badly, good players look like sh*t.

Saturday was the latter. The entire forward line was a joke. The midfield was lost. The back line got exposed. With the ball, we couldn’t execute basic stuff. Without the ball, our pressure was non-existent. Pinpointing Charlie is ridiculously unfair.

Just like anyone else, he has strengths and weaknesses. Our job as a team is to use his strengths to our advantage. Our opponents will try to exploit his weaknesses. At the Gabba, we failed.

Specially at night, Charlie cannot be used as a marking tall. That’s on Todd and Mitch. When we bomb to Dixon, we are playing for a contest. Only if they kept intercepting the ball, even if they are winning the contests, using Charlie isn’t working. Otherwise, he is doing his job.

Let’s say he wasn’t doing his job on Saturday. Regardless of the reason for such a failure, whenever it happens we need to change the strategy. If we don’t, we are going to keep failing throughout the game.

Is this failure on Charlie, the coaches, the forwards, the mids?! I don’t know. Each game is different. It could be on Charlie. But when it’s on him, the others have the responsibility to change the way we play. If they don’t, then it’s on them as well.

Finally, we may change, but the alternatives also fail. Again, the blame cannot fall on Charlie’s shoulders alone. Sometimes, we simply get beaten.

I believe that was the case in Perth. The Eagles played like a Premiership side, and we couldn’t lift our game to their level.

Last Saturday, it was different. We played like a wooden-spoon side, and the Lions didn’t need to lift their game to win.

We can complain about Dixon for that. But we would need to do similar complaints to almost all players and coaches, if not all of them.
So in your mind Charlie Dixon should be held to account when? Most of the piece's of the puzzle that can be influenced by the coaches work most of the time we know this it's why we are considered a premiership contender. Do you know what area has consistently failed in big games over the last 6 years it's our forward line. In our most important games over this time we have had more inside fifties than our opponents 85% of the time yet we lose why? Well most of this board will convince you that it's selection, coaching not enough talls to support Charlie. Well I have a different take i think Charlie has failed to fire no matter who's besides him, the second he has to deal with a well organised defence he capitulates. If the best you can do against the worst defences in the league is bring the ball to ground the best will swallow that ball up time and time again.
 

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Someone needs to help Charlie with the mental side of his game. When he loses his cool he can no longer play. His problem is not ability or confidence it is actually his anger that gets the better of him

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Someone needs to help Charlie with the tactical side of the game. When he engages in wrestling he can no longer play. His problem is ability and confidence if he could actually beat his man he wouldn't get so angry.
 

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Sick of this big Dix sh*t.
The two other kids up there have been better than him all year. Stop running under the ******* ball.
He's mentally shot as well. You can tell when the goal kicking goes to sh*t , go for a ride on your Harley down York Peninsula with chadwick and zone out for the week.
Try watching his YouTube channel, he's very focused on his favourite hobby. Sometimes i wonder if he plays footy for love of the game, or he plays footy to finance his love of cars. I don't mean this in a bad way, AFL has become more of a job than a passion theses days.
 

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Try watching his YouTube channel, he's very focused on his favourite hobby. Sometimes i wonder if he plays footy for love of the game, or he plays footy to finance his love of cars. I don't mean this in a bad way, AFL has become more of a job than a passion theses days.
Carn. For all of his faults, you couldn't possibly question how much Charlie cares.
 

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One question for this thread, what games over the last 5 and a half seasons would you say Charlie Dixon has won because of the individual work he has delivered?

So in your mind Charlie Dixon should be held to account when? Most of the piece's of the puzzle that can be influenced by the coaches work most of the time we know this it's why we are considered a premiership contender. Do you know what area has consistently failed in big games over the last 6 years it's our forward line. In our most important games over this time we have had more inside fifties than our opponents 85% of the time yet we lose why? Well most of this board will convince you that it's selection, coaching not enough talls to support Charlie. Well I have a different take i think Charlie has failed to fire no matter who's besides him, the second he has to deal with a well organised defence he capitulates. If the best you can do against the worst defences in the league is bring the ball to ground the best will swallow that ball up time and time again.
When he is not doing his job, which I pretty much described there.
 

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When he is not doing his job, which I pretty much described there.
When does he do his job? Was it in the finals last year? What about in the 2017 finals where he kicked double the amount of behinds to goals? How many times has he done his job against top 4 sides during the home and away? You literally said pinpointing Charlie when the rest of the team plays poorly is out of line, well once again we had more inside fifties and took fu** all marks inside fifty who's that on? Because in my mind that probably means the rest of the team were at least trying to do their job.
 

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