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Zim^zuM

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Lmao you are a dead set woman Tom FC. Drew has summed it up nicely. I've been at it for just two days, you my friend were rambling for a week about it. And my timing might be off but it is only you that has responded and started arguin with me.

You ask how the veto process is possibly getting out of control yet you not only think the rules are stupid you use it to your advantage rather than what it was originally meant for. Yet it's not getting out of control. You use the veto rules to your advantage unfairly yet cry and think its an issue others vote for a trade to go through despite if they think its fair (I know you're referring to one of my first ever comments on it) yet you 'exploit' the rules and want to harp on about fairness.

Pick a side and stick to it. You called for me to not be allowed to vote because I said I'd pass any trade yet you exploit the rules as you say. Perhaps you should be barred from voting since you so openly say what you do and will continue to do.

Perhaps people can now stop avoiding my original question which I have asked twice. Did you make an offer immediately after voting no? Is that how you exploit the rules? Who is Rockford referring to? Or does he simply have sour grapes?
 

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I openly stated on this thread that I would sell gawn or currie for alot less. I think that is fair enough to. To young stars for witts I think is ridiculous. No problem waiting a month or so to give them another crack at it though. Mrpez should pay market value though, not way over. Otherwise we will end up with another team LWP. And yes I am referring to his team being very weak, with not many great prospects. Rockford continually targeted trade with him.
 

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I said exactly what I said to everyone else. I would be quiet happy for Rockford to have both player's. I don't want to see happen again what he did to LWP though.
 

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So you made an offer for golby and whoever the other player was?
It may have been a misunderstanding on Rockfords part in that I shared with him that I had prior to his offer of Witts/Young had myself made an offer for Golby/Stevens that included by far more highly rated palyers than Witts/Young, but that I understood why MrPez would accept his offer over mine..

If indeed somebody did jump in before the trade had even offically ben vetoed, then that is obviously not in the spirit of the game, but really, it isn't an offence - and for a deal to go ahead, it would take two to tango so to speak..
 

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I said exactly what I said to everyone else. I would be quiet happy for Rockford to have both player's. I don't want to see happen again what he did to LWP though.
What did he do to LWP?

The way I see it and TomFC will disagree is if someone is addressing donuts I would too ask for better players and hold him to ransom. When I get an offer I take a look at the players squad, why they want my player and who he has to play instead. So I dont think you can in every case just look at the value of the players in the deal only. I think MrPEz has lost in the end. Witt's would not have solved any donut issues short term without Jolly suffering a serious injury (which is very possible) but he could have then used Witts to be in a better position to acquire a starting ruck with a not so popular choice or a team that has a few.
 

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Mate, firstly Witts is not second in line at Collingwood. They recruited Hudson for that. Secondly MrPez can get a ruckman for a much cheaper price. He does not need to give up two young stars, that have already established themselves as good fantasy players, and look to have potential to be great players (47 possessions between them last weekend), for a player that has never played and AFL game. How does that help MrPez if he can get a player cheaper?

Just have a look at the trades he made with him (lwp).
 

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Rockford continually targeted trade with him.
I don't want to see happen again what he did to LWP though.
Just have a look at the trades he made with him (lwp).
Get ****** you worm. I didn't "target" trades with him. I send everyone trade offers all the time, L_W_P trades as much as I do so it should come as no surprise that we trade a lot together. Suggesting that I set out to trash another players squad in defence of your scum bag veto vote and follow up action of sending a trade for those players is of no surprise. It's typical of the richcogs experience. You've slated L_W_P's squad (and intelligence!) more than once, you've criticised my drafting on multiple occasions, you lord it over us as though your opinion is the only one that matters. Where the **** do you get off? I didn't quit the league because of a veto vote, I left so I wouldn't need to deal with you. As soon as the veto vote went through you PM'd me to gloat and tell me that you were sending him a trade for those players. As tenderwarrior says, it's not an offence but it' a weasel act (I'm paraphrasing but I don't think he'd disagree). I'd happily rejoin the league... if you weren't in it.
 

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Rockford you dealt with me plenty, before that trade hundreds of messages. Just had enough of you ripping players that 'may' not spend as much time as some of us on the game. I told you and MrPez that you should have another crack at it before I come in (still have not done a trade with him and won't for a while). I just told him that I would be willing to straight swap one of my young ruckman for Golby. So that you would have a starting point in re-negotiations. To prevent a ridiculously onesided (mine and the other players that vetoed opinion) trade going through again. At the end of the day the trade got vetoed so what. Go back and renegotiate a deal that won't be vetoed.

With LWP I have been critized before for pointing out the obvious. Two players have expressed the same opinion to me in PM. It is not good for the league to have a team in that shape. He was trading in Russell and Rivers to go for it in the short term, yet some are predicting him to finish last. Was not able to field a full team last week (had 7 spots that scored 0). I have been saying this would happen for months. Unknown Caller what is going to happen with his team? It is not good for the league.
 

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Mate, firstly Witts is not second in line at Collingwood. They recruited Hudson for that. Secondly MrPez can get a ruckman for a much cheaper price. He does not need to give up two young stars, that have already established themselves as good fantasy players, and look to have potential to be great players (47 possessions between them last weekend), for a player that has never played and AFL game. How does that help MrPez if he can get a player cheaper?

Just have a look at the trades he made with him (lwp).
If he could have easily gotten a ruckman he would have
 

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Rockford you dealt with me plenty, before that trade hundreds of messages. Just had enough of you ripping players that 'may' not spend as much time as some of us on the game. I told you and MrPez that you should have another crack at it before I come in (still have not done a trade with him and won't for a while). I just told him that I would be willing to straight swap one of my young ruckman for Golby. So that you would have a starting point in re-negotiations. To prevent a ridiculously onesided (mine and the other players that vetoed opinion) trade going through again. At the end of the day the trade got vetoed so what. Go back and renegotiate a deal that won't be vetoed.

With LWP I have been critized before for pointing out the obvious. Two players have expressed the same opinion to me in PM. It is not good for the league to have a team in that shape. He was trading in Russell and Rivers to go for it in the short term, yet some are predicting him to finish last. Was not able to field a full team last week (had 7 spots that scored 0). I have been saying this would happen for months. Unknown Caller what is going to happen with his team? It is not good for the league.
The problem I have with this is only 3 people out of 14 vetoed it. It's fine to have the opinion that the trade was ridiculously one sided, we all think differently. It's fine to think rucks are over valued. If we didnt there would never be a deal done. But IMO 3 against opinions is not enough to stop a trade. It needs to be 7. Not everyone checks the forum all the time which is why not everyone voted. Which is why I think its a good idea to use the actual UF vetoing tool.
 

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LWP has more of enough players playing, it was just that last week for whatever reason he didn't have them on the field! Somebody suggested *cough.TANKING. cough* which is hugely unfair, but if it happens again, you might be forgiven if you found yourself wondering if he was a Dee's supporter :eek:

Not the worst team in the league I wouldn't have thought, plenty of exciting talent in his squad. You probably wouldn't notice at first glance, as he has almost more empty spots than players on the ground ATM.

I haven't found LWP a 'pushover' when it comes to trading, in fact quite the opposite - He certainly sees things a bit differently than me, but he knows a talented player when he sees one :thumbsu:
 

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Might as well speak up for myself.

I take some offence at the suggestion I was 'targetted' at trade time. This whole thing is a ******* GAME. If I dont think I can win the flag then Im happy to torpedo my top guys, hunt for kids and 'roughies' and then LOL when they work out.

How many people questioned me trading to get Tory Dickson for example?

The whole point of this for me is to have fun, talk to a few people about footy and maybe get another persective on the value of players for the cash league Im in.

As far as last week goes - There was no taking involved. I've had a personal situation involving custody of my step-daughter that has had me spending pretty much all of my spare time brushing up on Australian Family Law.

I know that most of you take this really seriously, but for me its just abit of fun getting to see different opinions on players.

Ill be going straight onto the UF site now to set my team, aiming to win.

Ultimately you all can't have been too concerned about it, Rockford was the only one who bothered to PM me and ask what was up.

Hopefully we can all just take a breath, calm down, and get on with season 2013 :)
 

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I told you and MrPez that you should have another crack at it before I come in (still have not done a trade with him and won't for a while).
That's not what you did and you know it. You PM'd me to say, ha, now that it's vetoed I've already sent a trade offer to Pez. I checked with Pez and he confirmed that you'd sent an offer. He told me there's no way he'd be trading with you though, that's why you didn't get a deal done and are now "waiting" for me and Pez to have another crack.

You can paint it however you like now but you voted to veto so that you could get an offer in yourself (which you assumed he'd jump at). I put the hard yards in negotiating a trade and you trashed it so you could try to snipe it. With regards to LWP you can back pedal all you want. You've got no right to criticise his team let alone his intelligence. As you said I've had plenty of dealings with both of you, I'll be keeping in touch with LWP and consider him a friend, I'm leaving the league to get away from you. One day when you mature you'll realise that your own opinion isn't the only one that matters. Not everyone views the world the way you do and that imposing your beliefs/views onto others is typically considered arsehole behaviour.
 

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Might as well speak up for myself.

I take some offence at the suggestion I was 'targetted' at trade time. This whole thing is a ******* GAME. If I dont think I can win the flag then Im happy to torpedo my top guys, hunt for kids and 'roughies' and then LOL when they work out.

How many people questioned me trading to get Tory Dickson for example?

The whole point of this for me is to have fun, talk to a few people about footy and maybe get another persective on the value of players for the cash league Im in.

As far as last week goes - There was no taking involved. I've had a personal situation involving custody of my step-daughter that has had me spending pretty much all of my spare time brushing up on Australian Family Law.

I know that most of you take this really seriously, but for me its just abit of fun getting to see different opinions on players.

Ill be going straight onto the UF site now to set my team, aiming to win.

Ultimately you all can't have been too concerned about it, Rockford was the only one who bothered to PM me and ask what was up.

Hopefully we can all just take a breath, calm down, and get on with season 2013 :)
No dramas with last week mate, my comment was very tongue in cheek. You would have struggled to field a team regardless due to some unfortunate outs.

I've been vocal in stating that everyone has different strategies, stats and time periods they are focusing on. You have targeted further down the track as a the time period for your attempt at winning and have traded accordingly, which is a completely fine and valid strategy! The complexity of everyones separate strategy is why I think the veto process should be scrapped, but I'm not willing to open up that can of worms again!
 

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Hi All, not sure where to post this so sorry if I am intruding.

I am new to Ultimate Footy, playing in a League with a bunch of other newbies. I am curious about the Positional Changes due after Round 3:
How many changes usually happen?
What is required for a change to be made?
Is there any way of finding out early and getting an edge on my oppsition? ;)

Thanks, any help or info would be appreciated.
 

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Check the ultimate footy facebook and twitter feeds. On facebook, you'll see people pleading their cases for changes to be made. In the past couple of years, there has usually been about 6-8 changes after round 3. The players would have to spend the majority of time in a position that they are not listed as to get it. Someone like Bellchambers, will not be upgraded from a R to a R/F, as he does not spend the majority of the time up forward (although he does spend a significant amount of time there).

Going by facebook, it looks as though Prestia seems to be a popular suggestion to become a B/C, and i take it from this tweet from ultimate below, that Ricky Petterd is in line to become a B/F

Ultimate Footy@UltimateFootyAu 5 Apr
@FootyFreakJosh: Keep an eye on Ricky Petterd (F) - scored 75 on debut, available in 75% of leagues” His role in defence is interesting...
 

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Hi All, not sure where to post this so sorry if I am intruding.

I am new to Ultimate Footy, playing in a League with a bunch of other newbies. I am curious about the Positional Changes due after Round 3:
How many changes usually happen?
What is required for a change to be made?
Is there any way of finding out early and getting an edge on my oppsition? ;)

Thanks, any help or info would be appreciated.
Are you the new guy taking over Rockfords team?
 
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