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G'day fellow sainters. I've been a fan since 1970 and a member since 1993. One if my earliest memories was the 1971 GF. My dad and I were guests of the great John Macintosh as dad worked with him. Unfortunately he was sitting in the stands and not playing on the ground. Would've been the difference, I'm sure. Joy at 3/4 time followed by tears all the way home. Portent to a future of barracking for the saints! Moorabbin still holds my fondest memories, from my first game against Fitzroy in 1970 to the last, also against the lions, with Plugger turning it on as usual. My playing career stopped me seeing too much of the bad bits of the eighties, but marriage and a bad groin injury (not related) allowed me to follow the Lockett Juggernaut of 1987. I ended up working for the club on a part time basis in 1998, doing a bit if psychological work, then in recruiting with the legendary Bevo. I saw off a few coaches before I got the bullet when Ross Lyon left. It was an interesting ride. From poor old Timid, through Mad Malcolm, GT and finally RL, I felt privileged to have had a ringside seat to the ride. They were mainly great times, with our club being feared and respected. I even got paid (not 22c in the dollar either!). Like most saints, I feel devastated by the state if the club ATM. We've shown so much patience and have endured another 7 year rebuild that looks to have failed. It's hard to know where we are heading from here. The only thing to do is hang in as we always have. Go saints!
You're a brave man identifying yourself as having something to do with recruitment during such a poor recruitment period, but welcome!
 

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You're a brave man identifying yourself as having something to do with recruitment during such a poor recruitment period, but welcome!
I thought the recruiting and trading during 1999 to 2004 was pretty good, Austinnnn. The basis of one of our most dominant periods. After that we were victims of our own success, with very few early picks. Still, we plucked Steven, McEVoy, Lynch, Gilbert amongst others. We couldn't help that the pelican and trout traded the best away and couldn't develop others. Still, considering the picks we had, we did way better than the fresh water fish and Pelican, whose efforts have produced nothing but heartbreak. Didn't you enjoy 2004-11? Proud to say I was part of that. You are a harsh judge, considering our work produced the second best era in the club's history. Puzzling.
 

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I thought the recruiting and trading during 1999 to 2004 was pretty good, Austinnnn. The basis of one of our most dominant periods. After that we were victims of our own success, with very few early picks. Still, we plucked Steven, McEVoy, Lynch, Gilbert amongst others. We couldn't help that the pelican and trout traded the best away and couldn't develop others. Still, considering the picks we had, we did way better than the fresh water fish and Pelican, whose efforts have produced nothing but heartbreak. Didn't you enjoy 2004-11? Proud to say I was part of that. You are a harsh judge, considering our work produced the second best era in the club's history. Puzzling.
I thought you said you were in recruiting in the GT and RL years. 2006 are when the recruitment turned to shit IMO
 
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I thought you said you were in recruiting in the GT and RL years. 2006 are when the recruitment turned to shit IMO
A little harsh. We got some good players after 2006. Given our lack do advantageous picks, we certainly did a lot better than the fresh water dud and his Clouseaux. They are the first who should be cleaned out. I had two meetings with troutasaurus and I must say, I've never met a less intelligent dud in my life. Peaky and I had been poached to other clubs at that point, so we were merely handing over to the biggest dud in AFL history. Seriously, it's not the coach or assistants. It's the dud recruiter and list manager and his collected fools and the lack of development, led by the great PETA Searle. The PC appointment who had no qualifications, and yet was given a senior role in player development. How did that work out? Amateur hour at the saints yet again.
 

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A little harsh. We got some good players after 2006. Given our lack do advantageous picks, we certainly did a lot better than the fresh water dud and his Clouseaux. They are the first who should be cleaned out. I had two meetings with troutasaurus and I must say, I've never met a less intelligent dud in my life. Peaky and I had been poached to other clubs at that point, so we were merely handing over to the biggest dud in AFL history. Seriously, it's not the coach or assistants. It's the dud recruiter and list manager and his collected fools and the lack of development, led by the great PETA Searle. The PC appointment who had no qualifications, and yet was given a senior role in player development. How did that work out? Amateur hour at the saints yet again.
Peake was a worse dud. What’s your name. Might see what bevo thinks of you. Elshaug isn’t great but compared to Peake he could be the best ever


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A little harsh. We got some good players after 2006. Given our lack do advantageous picks, we certainly did a lot better than the fresh water dud and his Clouseaux. They are the first who should be cleaned out. I had two meetings with troutasaurus and I must say, I've never met a less intelligent dud in my life. Peaky and I had been poached to other clubs at that point, so we were merely handing over to the biggest dud in AFL history. Seriously, it's not the coach or assistants. It's the dud recruiter and list manager and his collected fools and the lack of development, led by the great PETA Searle. The PC appointment who had no qualifications, and yet was given a senior role in player development. How did that work out? Amateur hour at the saints yet again.
Well it's certainly good to have you here Drake Huggins. You won't get an argument from me about the development at St Kilda, most here would agree with you. Interesting that you say Peta Searle was head of development. What do you think we lacked in our development, from an insider's POV?

If you ever have the time, I'd be interested to read your best 22 of the players you and your colleagues brought to the club.

Also, which of the players drafted by those who replaced you were the biggest mistakes, in your opinion?
 
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Well it's certainly good to have you here Drake Huggins. You won't get an argument from me about the development at St Kilda, most here would agree with you. Interesting that you say Peta Searle was head of development. What do you think we lacked in our development, from an insider's POV?

If you ever have the time, I'd be interested to read your best 22 of the players you and your colleagues brought to the club.

Also, which of the players drafted by those who replaced you were the biggest mistakes, in your opinion?
Hi Austinn. First let me qualify my role. I did the psych.testing and interpretation for Bevo. Mine were recommendations. He always had the final call, except when GT overrode him. I started in 1997, by introducing psych. testimg for the first time to the AFL draft. I went on to do psych. work with the group and coaches under Timmy and MM (very briefly ) and then GT. I also worked closely with John Peake, who I felt was very much unfairly maligned for reasons I'll outline later. I also worked closely with Brian Phelan and PHIL Anstey our HR managers and Waldo, who was our best CEO, but fell out with GT over some extra curricular activities, that I believe have been well documented in the public arena. The stories Brian Phelan and I have about Blighty could still become the subject of a book (if the lawyers let us!).

The start of our problems was the total lack of budget for Bevo. Until the end of GT's tenure it was 70K per year, which largely went on Bevo's salary. There was no organised interstate or suburban network, when many other clubs were spending ten times as much on recruiting. THat Beco did as well as a sole operator was a minor miracle. Unfortunately, we also picked players sight unseen, like PHIL Raymond and Justin Sweeney. Ouch!

The biggest blue in my experience was the non selection of Chris Judd. IMHO, and that of just about everybody else, he was by far the best in his draft. The plan was to take Luke Ball at pick 2 (I believe at GT's strong insistence, a Xavier man, you see) and Judd at 5. This theory was based on the Intel that picks three and four would be used by the WA clubs on Sampi and Polak. You can imagine Bevo's horror when WC, smiling and looking straight at our table, read out Judd's name? Done like a dinner! To make matters worse, we took the mercurial but physically fragile, Xavier Clarke at 5 ahead of a Geelong kid called Jimmy Bartel! We clawed back ground by getting Dal at 13, Goose MaGuire in the 20's and Joey at 37. Not bad overall, but overlooking Judd cost us at least one flag.

2002 was a no brainer in Goddard. Raph Clarke in 2003 was a blue in that he was injury prone as a junior and had undiagnosed epilepsy. He was also one of those kids who was physically imposing at junior level, but others caught up to him. McQualter in 2004 was so-so, although RL was a huge fan, 2005 was unlucky in the Fergus Watts had his career ended by one injury. Nepotism was also a factor. Brooks doing his ACL ruined him, as he lost his ability to leap and therefore his confidence.

2006 is where I recommended we go Riewoldt ahead of Armitage. Overruled. No biggie, because Armo was the type we needed, but Jack had leadership qualities we could use. 2007 it was McEvoy over Rioli. There were concerns over Rioli's psych. Profile, which I tried to assuage, but in fairness they needed a ruckman and Ben was a great candidate. That draft was good as we got the Stuv with a pick in the 40's, pinching him from under the filth's nose. Heheh!

Lynch and Stanley were good picks we couldn't develop and hang on to. So Sainters. Lovett? Say no more. Fiora? Not great, but not our worst in a time we were topping up. My last draft, and Peakey's was 2011. Ross, Newnes and Webster. Given our late picks, not the worst way to go out, but I knew we were handing over to clueless gees. I predicted then the rebuild under Pelchen and TFWF would fail. A couple of pud pullers claim I'm bitter because I was given the arse. Yes, I was given the dcm, but I was off to work for another club and was relocating to Canberra for a four year contract with the APS. I was on the way out the door .

I posted it many times on SS in case you think I'm using 20/20 hindsight. A pair of clowns who had no idea and have proved their incompetence since. They tried to rebuild a list, beginning with three compromised drafts where the GC and GWS got all the cream. What did the smart clubs do? They topped up, used the rookie draft and chose the best available from the leagues. Just look at 2012 and 2014. Two critical drafts for our rebuild that are now complete write offs. Even 2013 is looking wobbly. They stuffed it and JP and I could see it coming a mile away. Bevo's been there all the way as an advisor because he's been there for 35 years and is in semi retirement. What else would he do?

So that's about it , Austinnnn. I took a bit of time to explain and there is more to this, but I wanted the people on the forum to have the real story, not just the slings and arrows of the know nothing, so called itk's. If you have any questions, PM me. I hope I haven't posted anything libellous. Like the rest of us, I love the saints, have dedicated my life to them and even though I was paid for my services, I gave them a pretty heavy discount. Like the rest of us, I just want to see one friggin' premiership!
 
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Sorry, Austinnn, PETA Searle was not head of development, but was a significant player in the development area. I take it that was due to her teaching experience. As for the best 22 brought to the club in my time, here goes. Do you mind the inclusion of traded players as well as draftees? I think that's relevant as drafting is only half the story.

Voss, Penny, Powell, Riewoldt, Kozitschke, Gehrig, Hamill, Guerra, Ball, X.Clarke, Dal Santo, MaGuire, Montagna, Goddard, Armitage, McEvoy, Steven, S. Fisher, Lynch, Ross, Milne, Geary.

I should have added that I developed a psych. test for exclusive use for the saints in 2004. The best success was Jack Darling, who everyone had rejected because of his so called social and behavioural problems. My test showed he was more than solid on that front. My interview showed he came from a great family, even if they were a little "alternative". Begged the boys to take him, but they chose Jamie Cripps instead. Oh well.
 

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Sorry, Austinnn, PETA Searle was not head of development, but was a significant player in the development area. I take it that was due to her teaching experience. As for the best 22 brought to the club in my time, here goes. Do you mind the inclusion of traded players as well as draftees? I think that's relevant as drafting is only half the story.

Voss, Penny, Powell, Riewoldt, Kozitschke, Gehrig, Hamill, Guerra, Ball, X.Clarke, Dal Santo, MaGuire, Montagna, Goddard, Armitage, McEvoy, Steven, S. Fisher, Lynch, Ross, Milne, Geary.

I should have added that I developed a psych. test for exclusive use for the saints in 2004. The best success was Jack Darling, who everyone had rejected because of his so called social and behavioural problems. My test showed he was more than solid on that front. My interview showed he came from a great family, even if they were a little "alternative". Begged the boys to take him, but they chose Jamie Cripps instead. Oh well.
So let me get this straight.

You told the club to take Cyril, not Big Boy, and Jack Riewoldt instead of "Friends Call Me" Dave Armitage. You told the club to take Darling, not Cripps.

Maybe if your bosses had listened to you, we'd have had a couple of premierships in that time.

By the way that is indeed a very handy firsts team. Did Milne arrive during your time at the club? I bet your bosses dined off that for a while!

Do you know if your psych test is still in use at Moorabbin? Who would you be going for in the trade period and who would you be getting out of the club?
 
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Sorry, Austinnn, PETA Searle was not head of development, but was a significant player in the development area. I take it that was due to her teaching experience. As for the best 22 brought to the club in my time, here goes. Do you mind the inclusion of traded players as well as draftees? I think that's relevant as drafting is only half the story.

Voss, Penny, Powell, Riewoldt, Kozitschke, Gehrig, Hamill, Guerra, Ball, X.Clarke, Dal Santo, MaGuire, Montagna, Goddard, Armitage, McEvoy, Steven, S. Fisher, Lynch, Ross, Milne, Geary.

I should have added that I developed a psych. test for exclusive use for the saints in 2004. The best success was Jack Darling, who everyone had rejected because of his so called social and behavioural problems. My test showed he was more than solid on that front. My interview showed he came from a great family, even if they were a little "alternative". Begged the boys to take him, but they chose Jamie Cripps instead. Oh well.
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So let me get this straight.

You told the club to take Cyril, not Big Boy, and Jack Riewoldt instead of "Friends Call Me" Dave Armitage. You told the club to take Darling, not Cripps.

Maybe if your bosses had listened to you, we'd have had a couple of premierships in that time.

By the way that is indeed a very handy firsts team. Did Milne arrive during your time at the club? I bet your bosses dined off that for a while!
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So let me get this straight.

You told the club to take Cyril, not Big Boy, and Jack Riewoldt instead of "Friends Call Me" Dave Armitage. You told the club to take Darling, not Cripps.

Maybe if your bosses had listened to you, we'd have had a couple of premierships in that time.

By the way that is indeed a very handy firsts team. Did Milne arrive during your time at the club? I bet your bosses dined off that for a while!
Bevo snatched the tiprat from the doper's list. No one else wanted him. Bevo's best pinch IMHO. Along with Jack Steven. My three "wins" are balanced by a number of misses, Austinnn. That's the nature of the business. It's fraught with danger and a game of chance in many instances. I can see why they took Armo and big boy. Cripps over Darling and Ball over Judd are the two that leave me bewildered. Still, that's the way it goes in the recruiting game. It's a game of millimetres, even more than the footy itself. Every club has its sliding doors stories. Ours are no different.
 
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So let me get this straight.

You told the club to take Cyril, not Big Boy, and Jack Riewoldt instead of "Friends Call Me" Dave Armitage. You told the club to take Darling, not Cripps.

Maybe if your bosses had listened to you, we'd have had a couple of premierships in that time.

By the way that is indeed a very handy firsts team. Did Milne arrive during your time at the club? I bet your bosses dined off that for a while!

Do you know if your psych test is still in use at Moorabbin? Who would you be going for in the trade period and who would you be getting out of the club?
They don't use my test anymore. It is used by a number of organisations now, but not in the AFL. It is called the ethogram and measures the constructs of integrity. Doing ok. TFWF has his own people in who use their own tests. Going well, isn't he?
 

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Sorry, Austinnn, PETA Searle was not head of development, but was a significant player in the development area. I take it that was due to her teaching experience. As for the best 22 brought to the club in my time, here goes. Do you mind the inclusion of traded players as well as draftees? I think that's relevant as drafting is only half the story.

Voss, Penny, Powell, Riewoldt, Kozitschke, Gehrig, Hamill, Guerra, Ball, X.Clarke, Dal Santo, MaGuire, Montagna, Goddard, Armitage, McEvoy, Steven, S. Fisher, Lynch, Ross, Milne, Geary.

I should have added that I developed a psych. test for exclusive use for the saints in 2004. The best success was Jack Darling, who everyone had rejected because of his so called social and behavioural problems. My test showed he was more than solid on that front. My interview showed he came from a great family, even if they were a little "alternative". Begged the boys to take him, but they chose Jamie Cripps instead. Oh well.

My mate worked with Andrew Thompson's dad, he said old man Thompson claimed that Luke Penny would have been a superstar if he could have got the body right. Apparently trained like a mad man and was rated very highly by team mates in an era where we had some ridiculous talent.
 
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Luke Penny was very unlucky. A marvellous talent. His knee was so bad post football, he required chemotherapy to deal with the chronic inflammation. I'd never heard of chemo being used for that,Mao it must've been bad. Luke's dad blamed GT for playing him when he wasn't fit. I don't know if that was the reason, but Luke's dad very publicly bagged GT on 3AW at the time.
 

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Luke Penny was very unlucky. A marvellous talent. His knee was so bad post football, he required chemotherapy to deal with the chronic inflammation. I'd never heard of chemo being used for that,Mao it must've been bad. Luke's dad blamed GT for playing him when he wasn't fit. I don't know if that was the reason, but Luke's dad very publicly bagged GT on 3AW at the time.
I was at the Freo game in 2005 that proved to be his last game. Crap night where we lost after the siren. I will never forget crossing paths with Luke as he hobbled to the team bus after the game. I asked how his knee was and he just shook his head, and the look on his face said it all. I said to my Freo mates that I reckon that his career was done just by how shattered he looked, and he never played again.

I 100% agree that he was hugely underrated. The talls we had out just prior to the 2005 finals, and during the 2005 finals cruelled us.

I remember the bagging from his old man, and I suspected that Luke must have got a decent payout, as I thought it would otherwise gone to court. Do you know how it finished up?
 
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I was at the Freo game in 2005 that proved to be his last game. Crap night where we lost after the siren. I will never forget crossing paths with Luke as he hobbled to the team bus after the game. I asked how his knee was and he just shook his head, and the look on his face said it all. I said to my Freo mates that I reckon that his career was done just by how shattered he looked, and he never played again.

I 100% agree that he was hugely underrated. The talls we had out just prior to the 2005 finals, and during the 2005 finals cruelled us.

I remember the bagging from his old man, and I suspected that Luke must have got a decent payout, as I thought it would otherwise gone to court. Do you know how it finished up?
I don't know the exact details, but I heard he was suing. Maybe someone on here knows. You're right about one thing, his loss cost us dearly in 2005. It seemed that night in Freo we lost half our defence and then some. Bloody typical saints luck. He was only 24-5 at the time I believe.
 

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I don't know the exact details, but I heard he was suing. Maybe someone on here knows. You're right about one thing, his loss cost us dearly in 2005. It seemed that night in Freo we lost half our defence and then some. Bloody typical saints luck. He was only 24-5 at the time I believe.
RE Luke, nothing's been stated since around '06-7 when the chemo started and the inference was in the public that the Saints gagged him under NDA's, never from Luke himself, always a "member" of his family.

Outside of you know, life.
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