Bigfooty Yid Army Thread

[jd2010]

All of this is based on an assumption that they are absolutely good enough and ange is wrong. Maybe he sees them in training and they are way off it

Trusts 18 players for a 50 game season.

And of that 18, 2 shouldn't be in Forster or Dragusin.

Would want to hope he has said to the board he expects us to finish 10-14th and win nothing with that attitude to how the squad is

 

[jd2010]

Some pretty ugly scenes from the crowd post match.

Might not even make it to the QF

 

[Topkent]

Trusts 18 players for a 50 game season.

And of that 18, 2 shouldn't be in Forster or Dragusin.

Would want to hope he has said to the board he expects us to finish 10-14th and win nothing with that attitude to how the squad is

Ok mate

 

[jd2010]

Ange is on a mission to tear another hamstring in our backline

Shock horror, confirmed Ben Davies hamstring

 

[Topkent]

Trusts 18 players for a 50 game season.

And of that 18, 2 shouldn't be in Forster or Dragusin.

Would want to hope he has said to the board he expects us to finish 10-14th and win nothing with that attitude to how the squad is

Man city won the premier league and Arsenal were right behind them with small squads as well. You're living in a fantasy if you think Tottenham will have a 23 man squad of guns

 

[jd2010]

Man city won the premier league and Arsenal were right behind them with small squads as well. You're living in a fantasy if you think Tottenham will have a 23 man squad of guns

Arsenal has 19 trusted good players
City had 20
Liverpool 21
Chelsea 19
Brighton 20

We have 16 who are good enough

That's the difference

 

[Topkent]

Arsenal has 19 trusted good players
City had 20
Liverpool 21
Chelsea 19
Brighton 20

We have 16 who are and who are good enough

That's the difference

Lol only because you chose to remove 2 to suit your argument come on man

 

[jd2010]

Lol only because you chose to remove 2 to suit your argument come on man

Does he really trust Davies?

If he did he'd have got mins at LB over an out of form Udogie

 

[Topkent]

Does he really trust Davies?

If he did he'd have got mins at LB over an out of form Udogie

All you do is move the discussion to a different place each time I rebuttal. Who's the 20 city players pep trusts that have played more game time than Dragusin Davies and Foster.

 

[jd2010]

All you do is move the discussion to a different place each time I rebuttal. Who's the 20 city players pep trusts that have played more game time than Dragusin Davies and Foster.

League time with all fit. Those 3 would get 0 mins

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I will post some thoughts here from my time at the game on Sunday soon (stadium is amzing) but being surrounded by die hard fans these are some thoughts that they had:

1) Son is done, and most feel that he should be moved on. Absolute champion but isn't what he use to be which is fair given he is 32 and his pace is his strength.

2) Johnson cops a battering from the fans because he is lazy. Seeing it first hand, the bloke rarely tracks back and the amount of shouting "track him Johnson ffs" was crazy.

3) They like Drag but feel he is a little slow at times.

4) Really have rated Foster since he has stepped up the last few weeks and not as concerned with him being there, he is much stronger in the air than Vicario and it was clear on Sunday.

5) Werner - gasps, groans and cheers when he was finally subbed off. No surprise.

6) Ben Davis highly rated for how he has steppe dup out of a position not designed for him, real club favourite.

There were a few more points, but I can't remember as I was about 15 beers deep by end of the match.

Amidst it all I am glad you got to see the famous spurs at WHL and got to enjoy it all.

Agree on Forster, and Ben still gets mad disrespect by a small pocket of fans. He'll get another deal.

In any case, Ange out.

ive been a more avid fan of Tottenham (check weekly scores and more) since about 2008 and cant remember a time when we had genuine good and proper depth. Seemed we have always sat kids on the final bench places (and not play them to might I add) when a skeric of injuries strike us.

Ange's style isn't good enough to sustain 38 weeks of a premier league season but the squad and its depth is firmly on the other bloke. If Ange's style is to work then we must simply add to the squad in January otherwise adding nothing and doing the same thing is just plain stupid.

I agree on academy players not getting a look. Been that way since Pochettino.

The depth and by extension the argument about money spent is a massive cop out for mine.

Since opening the stadium in April 2019 we have spent €150m, €110m (COVID transfer windows), €96m, €180m, €272m and €149m on signings. That's more than enough, and Daniel has bought player the manager wants. But when they're sacked the next guy isn't as suited to those players we waste more money buying replacements.

 

[Yoda_]

All you do is move the discussion to a different place each time I rebuttal. Who's the 20 city players pep trusts that have played more game time than Dragusin Davies and Foster.

My argument though the whole squad depth thing is keep blooding the kids. Give them cameo's. Not just 2, 5, 10 minutes at the end of matches. Throw the good ones in the deep end. Bergval is highly rated, Let him start. Let him make mistakes. Let him learn.

If you want to continue with the Werner's, Bissouma's etc then we aren't going anywhere.. They have proven over multiple years they aren't good enough

 

[Yoda_]

Amidst it all I am glad you got to see the famous spurs at WHL and got to enjoy it all.

Agree on Forster, and Ben still gets mad disrespect by a small pocket of fans. He'll get another deal.

In any case, Ange out.

I agree on academy players not getting a look. Been that way since Pochettino.

The depth and by extension the argument about money spent is a massive cop out for mine.

Since opening the stadium in April 2019 we have spent €150m, €110m (COVID transfer windows), €96m, €180m, €272m and €149m on signings. That's more than enough, and Daniel has bought player the manager wants. But when they're sacked the next guy isn't as suited to those players we waste more money buying replacements.

You only need to look at our record signings and realise that the same repeat results happen.

Levy goes out and tries to bag a bargain and that doesn't work. The Levy lovers then hang the hat on a buy like Christian Romero who was an out an out gun we paid full quid for who has done what should be expected of someone with his market value.

The depth of the squad is absolutely on Levy.. Would Emerson Royal be a better option than Spence? Would Pierre Emerson Hojberg be good solid depth for the DM position? It's repeatedly stuck in perenial no mans land.

Id be ok with seeing us losing but playing the kids, seeing improvements but that just isn't happening. Even though the squad is still young in general, is the improvement actually happening ?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

You only need to look at our record signings and realise that the same repeat results happen.

Levy goes out and tries to bag a bargain and that doesn't work. The Levy lovers then hang the hat on a buy like Christian Romero who was an out an out gun we paid full quid for who has done what should be expected of someone with his market value.

The depth of the squad is absolutely on Levy.. Would Emerson Royal be a better option than Spence? Would Pierre Emerson Hojberg be good solid depth for the DM position? It's repeatedly stuck in perenial no mans land.

Id be ok with seeing us losing but playing the kids, seeing improvements but that just isn't happening. Even though the squad is still young in general, is the improvement actually happening ?

I don't buy that, sorry.

We've had a DoF in place for ages in various iterations and for the most part all Levy does is negotiate the deals for the players recommended. The only verifiable Levy signing in recent seasons was Djed Spence against Conte's wishes.

The squad depth is a sign of what club we are, we aren't able to match City, Liverpool etc with spending and that is where they have a padded out squad where ours has a few holes. We're a 4th-8th club, we will be next year and the year after and so on. I just hope it's not too late for many in our fanbase before they come to that realisation. Removing that false hope makes things so much more relaxing.

 

[Topkent]

My argument though the whole squad depth thing is keep blooding the kids. Give them cameo's. Not just 2, 5, 10 minutes at the end of matches. Throw the good ones in the deep end. Bergval is highly rated, Let him start. Let him make mistakes. Let him learn.

If you want to continue with the Werner's, Bissouma's etc then we aren't going anywhere.. They have proven over multiple years they aren't good enough

The counter would be the team could be alot worse with the kids playing than is happening right now. A loss against Chelsea and maybe it wouldn't matter but I think rather than draws and 0-1 losses if we played Lankshear, Bergvall, Gray and Spence more maybe those are heavy losses.
Like I said that 15 m cameo Bergvall was horrible couldn't even run. He looks no where near ready

 

[Topkent]

I will say if Ange gets sacked and they replace him now the new manager is stuffed, that squad is no where near ready to challenge and is full of kids. If those kids aren't developed properly with the amount of money outlayed spurs could be in big trouble in a few years.

 

[jd2010]

My argument though the whole squad depth thing is keep blooding the kids. Give them cameo's. Not just 2, 5, 10 minutes at the end of matches. Throw the good ones in the deep end. Bergval is highly rated, Let him start. Let him make mistakes. Let him learn.

If you want to continue with the Werner's, Bissouma's etc then we aren't going anywhere.. They have proven over multiple years they aren't good enough

This!

They don't get proper chances. Just mins next to the second rate seniors like Davies, Werner, Dragusin Forster etc.

Blood one in amongst the best XI when they were all fit earlier in the season

 

[jd2010]

I will say if Ange gets sacked and they replace him now the new manager is stuffed, that squad is no where near ready to challenge and is full of kids. If those kids aren't developed properly with the amount of money outlayed spurs could be in big trouble in a few years.

Not if we signed a manager who is adept at blooding youth, slightly adapting style to suit the squad that's being built etc

 

[Yoda_]

I will say if Ange gets sacked and they replace him now the new manager is stuffed, that squad is no where near ready to challenge and is full of kids. If those kids aren't developed properly with the amount of money outlayed spurs could be in big trouble in a few years.

this is my grievance, we are buying for the future but people are getting worried about the results now.

 

[jd2010]

Just on the Ange clash with the fans.

Spence going over to stick up for Ange and at the same time acknowledging the fans was a good thing to see. Must be a real bad egg

 

[Art Vandelay_]

The depth of the squad is absolutely on Levy.. Would Emerson Royal be a better option than Spence? Would Pierre Emerson Hojberg be good solid depth for the DM position? It's repeatedly stuck in perenial no mans land.

Id be ok with seeing us losing but playing the kids, seeing improvements but that just isn't happening. Even though the squad is still young in general, is the improvement actually happening ?

And this is precisely the issue with this fanbase. We've spent a ****-tonne of money since we moved into our new home ground and the end result is depth still worse than the 3-4 bigger clubs than us.

They're on a different level to us, they always will be. No matter who our owner is.
So worrying about if Gray is better than Royal or Spence or Hojbjerg being here still is akin to shuffling deck chairs on the titanic. Completely pointless.

We'll never get a squad to consistently be better than the select few big boys. We had Poch with prime Kane, Eriksen, Dembele, Jan and Alderweireld as well as Walker and Rose and couldn't get there. Now we have no chance.

Our standing is as the 6th best and biggest club in England and that's just our lot in life.

 

[SPEEDWAGON]

I see 2 faults with Ange/ spurs

1. The style of play is taxing on the squad and results in injuries weakening the squad.

2. In too many games when the opposition sets a low block there is no movement or penetration. Spurs need to eventually change gears and try some things if teams want to sit in and play them off the break - get some overloads and play into certain areas.

 

[Topkent]

this is my grievance, we are buying for the future but people are getting worried about the results now.

100% agree. I've never once said ange is a guaranteed success but there have been plenty of better managers than him that have taken longer than 1.5 seasons to build a team especially when it's been built by youth not experience

 

[Topkent]

Not if we signed a manager who is adept at blooding youth, slightly adapting style to suit the squad that's being built etc

Simple question for you, do you think anges squad build is finished yet? Or do you agree this is halfway into a project with a squad that was already Europa League level that's devastated by injuries

 

[Topkent]

Pretty much echoes what I said. Just because ange didn't put a ceiling on what the team could achieve doesn't mean this wasn't a long term rebuild.
Sacking someone because he can't get a bunch of 18 year olds to win in the premier league would be so so stupid.
People can see what the team is doing when it's fit and firing. It's neither right now. That doesn't mean the projects dead