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Facepalm worthy post. His problems extended well beyond not getting along with Adebayor.


Another facepalm worthy post, and I cringe every time I hear this.

Do you seriously think he's doing a bad job on the basis that he hasn't made the best decisions in hiring/sacking managers? You think that's all Levy's job is? Who cares about us being the most financially well-run club in the world, he sacked 3 managers in the last 5 years! That makes him a bad chairman!!!11
Back with theatrics I see..Facepalming all over the place!

I think he did an awful job in spending the Bale money and pulling the trigger way to early on AVB.

Speaking of facepalming, any chance you can back up your comments about being one of the best run financially? Or are you referring to our overall net spend the last few years.

How is it your the first to call for the managers to be sacked one after the other, but will defend the Levy untill the bitter end. Do you honestly believe we are stuck in 5th due to the managers influence (Style of play and getting the most out of the players they are given)?
 
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We are stuck where we are because Levy is just an appointed chairmen from ENIC and is basically their lapdog.

Joe Lewis' first sort of involvement as the owner and being ambitious was in the summer when he invited the team to the Bahamas and assured AVB that we wouldn't be selling Bale and he would fund transfers out of his own pocket to push as into the top 4 and beyond.

Got a feeling GB actually is Daniel Levy or Joe Lewis because there can be no defending either of these gutless morons any longer
 

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I think he did an awful job in spending the Bale money and pulling the trigger way to early on AVB.
You mean the money he gave Baldini the responsibility of spending? I still find your argument confusing; you say we spent too much money, but how is that a bad thing? It's up to the manager to implement the players into the squad, he's not forced to shove them all in right away.

Speaking of facepalming, any chance you can back up your comments about being one of the best run financially? Or are you referring to our overall net spend the last few years.
See how many big clubs you can name me that are both self-sufficient and aren't in a boatload of debt.

Look at where we were in the Sugar era & where we are now. We're a far wealthier club & we'll be even wealthier once the Northumberland Project finishes. Name one other owner that isn't a Russian Crook, Oil Barron or any other rich sugar daddy that wants a new toy that's increased a club's turnover so drastically.

How is it your the first to call for the managers to be sacked one after the other, but will defend the Levy untill the bitter end. Do you honestly believe we are stuck in 5th due to the managers influence (Style of play and getting the most out of the players they are given)?
Dumb question, the Chairman & Manager Positions are completely different. Managers plan with 1-3 years in mind, Levy is planning over the next 20+ years.

Stuck in 5th? Did we not finish 4th in two of the last 4 seasons?(I most certainly can blame the manager on 11/12). Even if this is a rough patch, who cares? We're still growing as a club and have a 56,000 seat stadium on the way; that will be the time when we can consistently challenge for the title in the Premier League, anything before that is a healthy bonus.

When I want a manager sacked, it's because I see something in their management style that suggests to me they will not deliver the success we're trying to achieve. As far as Levy's flaws go, he hires some dud managers and mucks up some transfer deals but that doesn't even come close to undoing all the progress we've made as a club under his leadership, and at this point in time, the only owner that would make us better is a very rich sugar daddy in for the long haul.
 

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Thanks for clearing up how great you are Daniel!

The Northumberland Project is about as real as the tooth fairy. We've had 3 different architecht signed up for it only for Levy to change his mind, between the 2nd and 3rd one he decided he wanted to move the club to Stratford East London and now its back to plan 1 again! There isn't even a building company arrangement in place let alone a crane in sight. The stadium was originally meant to be ready for the 13/14 season when it was first mentioned 8 years ago. The it was pushed back to 15/16 two years ago. I really dont think there will be a new stadium by 2020.

We are financially stable and funded the training ground upgrade with our own funds which is great for the club from here on in as long as we start making some other good decisions and Levy/GB doesn't seem to do that too often. He isn't sure if he wants an English young core (Jol era), a continental experiment (Santini, Ramos, AVB, Baldini) or an all out attack easy on the eye side (Redknapp era) and we have floated between experiment B and the other 2 for the past 8 years.

What he needs to do in the summer is either:
- give Van Gaal a 3 year contract and get him to get the best out of what we have with 2-3 changes in squad personnel and 1 gun signing. This will give the club another 18-24 months observing if young managers like Pochettino are a flash in the pan or are the real deal and they could be targeted to take over after the 3 year contract is up. Regardless of how VG is going in the first season he has to be given 18 months!
- give de Boer a 5 year contract, ask him if he wants to work with Baldini or if he wants someone he can trust as DoF (if Levy is hell bent on it) and give them the chequebook in the summer and again in January if he isn't happy with what we have. Again 14/15 league position shouldn't be too harshly judged
 

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Thanks for clearing up how great you are Daniel!

The Northumberland Project is about as real as the tooth fairy. We've had 3 different architecht signed up for it only for Levy to change his mind, between the 2nd and 3rd one he decided he wanted to move the club to Stratford East London and now its back to plan 1 again! There isn't even a building company arrangement in place let alone a crane in sight. The stadium was originally meant to be ready for the 13/14 season when it was first mentioned 8 years ago. The it was pushed back to 15/16 two years ago. I really dont think there will be a new stadium by 2020.

We are financially stable and funded the training ground upgrade with our own funds which is great for the club from here on in as long as we start making some other good decisions and Levy/GB doesn't seem to do that too often. He isn't sure if he wants an English young core (Jol era), a continental experiment (Santini, Ramos, AVB, Baldini) or an all out attack easy on the eye side (Redknapp era) and we have floated between experiment B and the other 2 for the past 8 years.
3 different architects? KSS, Populous and?

A £450m project is an enormously complex and risky project for a company of Spurs' size. The figures have to add up, and even if they don't, Levy ploughs ahead regardless. The consequences could be catastrophic for the club, it's not something that can be rushed.

Look at other major stadium projects in this country - Wembley, Emirates, New Anfield, new Chelsea stadium, new Everton stadium. The former two were in the works for more than a decade each, as difficulties relating to siting, planning and funding had to be overcome. The latter three have been mooted and planned for even longer than our new stadium but none has progressed as far as we have. Why do you think that we should not experience the kind of delays and issues that every similar development has experienced?

Anyway, I'm done clicking the unignore button. Judging by your tone, you're not after an intelligent discussion, as usual.
 

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3 different architects? KSS, Populous and?

A £450m project is an enormously complex and risky project for a company of Spurs' size. The figures have to add up, and even if they don't, Levy ploughs ahead regardless. The consequences could be catastrophic for the club, it's not something that can be rushed.

Look at other major stadium projects in this country - Wembley, Emirates, New Anfield, new Chelsea stadium, new Everton stadium. The former two were in the works for more than a decade each, as difficulties relating to siting, planning and funding had to be overcome. The latter three have been mooted and planned for even longer than our new stadium but none has progressed as far as we have. Why do you think that we should not experience the kind of delays and issues that every similar development has experienced?

Anyway, I'm done clicking the unignore button. Judging by your tone, you're not after an intelligent discussion, as usual.
KSS have now had to work as sub-contractors to MAKE Architects despite already having the agreement in place with the club before went down the East London move. Lets not even start on the corporate espionage trying to move us from North London east!

Was meant to move into the semi-completed new stadium in 12/13 and the fully finished cultural hub ready for the opening day of the 2013/14 season. Now pushed back to some time in 2016 strikes me with a lot of confidence. So is that the 15/16 or 16/17 season who knows but the area looks just like it did in 2009 when the demolition around the ground was complete. It is a big project agreed but why come out with designs, completion dates and sign contracts and then back out of them in search of a better deal all the time. You can't progress to step 3 without finally agreeing the 2nd step you make is the right one and that is where Levy fails time and time again whether it be with hiring/firing of managers or the redevelopment.

Arsenal first bought the site for the Emirates in 2000, dealt with council issues just like we had to but stuck to their original plan and had them sorted within 18 months of committing to the site, opened the stadium 6 years later.

Levy has the site already, got unfavourable council feedback in 2007 at the first meeting so then floated the around the idea we would move to East London hoping the throwing the toys out the pram like a child would get council approval. Committed corporate espionage in the process as he was now hell bent on us moving from Tottenham and when that got us kicked out of the race we went back revisited some design issues and took that to the council and got approval in 2011 FOUR YEARS after the feedback session. It wasn't going to be an easy sell but the thought of moving us East stalled at least 2 years in the development. Approval in 2011, agree on a design and architecht and agreed completion date but then sees something he likes more and signs with the new mob in 2013.

Still no work being done and its 2014 7 years after it was put in the Financial Statements by this stage Arsenal had already been in their stadium 7 months! Even if there is any sign of work starting tomorrow if we work at Arsenal's speed (which he doesn't have a track record of except for in firing managers) the stadium will be ready in 2020, 13 years after Levy first said it was his plan. Only 7-8 years later than he promised!
 
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You mean the money he gave Baldini the responsibility of spending? I still find your argument confusing; you say we spent too much money, but how is that a bad thing? It's up to the manager to implement the players into the squad, he's not forced to shove them all in right away.
You don't think Levy had a significant input on how the money was spent and the need to spend it all in the one window? How much of a say do you think AVB got in the signings?

Surely if a manager is given almost an entirely new team, he should be given more than a few months to make it work.

Do you honestly prefer Sherwood to Levy?

Dumb question, the Chairman & Manager Positions are completely different. Managers plan with 1-3 years in mind, Levy is planning over the next 20+ years.
Chairman gets a 20+ year free pass? How many poor months did AVB honestly have before he was shown the door? Certainly not the 1-3 years your advocating for here.

We're still growing as a club and have a 56,000 seat stadium on the way; that will be the time when we can consistently challenge for the title in the Premier League, anything before that is a healthy bonus.
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Stadium issue has been addressed by Jd2010 else who knows more about the issue than I do, I'll leave it to them

When I want a manager sacked, it's because I see something in their management style that suggests to me they will not deliver the success we're trying to achieve. As far as Levy's flaws go, he hires some dud managers and mucks up some transfer deals but that doesn't even come close to undoing all the progress we've made as a club under his leadership, and at this point in time, the only owner that would make us better is a very rich sugar daddy in for the long haul.
My point is the standards you hold the manager in no way ties to that of the chairman and it should, you either both let them do their job within a reasonable time frame or your ruthless with both.
 

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The bald gimp is slowly starting to get the heat turned up on him in the press here.

Interesting that we got back 'Arry's trusted scout Ian Broomfield from under the noses of Arsenal to work as a chief scout. Good get by Levy but just when you think he is doing things the right way and putting the club on a smooth and clear picture it comes out that it was done without consultation with manager Tim Sherwood or director of football Franco Baldini. Another summer of chop and change at the Lane. The sooner Levy appoints himself as director of football or manager the better because he clearly sees himself as a chairmen who does the job better than anyone he ever appoints
 

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How much of a say do you think AVB got in the signings?
Surely if a manager is given almost an entirely new team, he should be given more than a few months to make it work.
Do you honestly prefer Sherwood to Levy?
Quite a say, we were about to sign Moutinho until it was held back due to a technicality. Before you harp on about it, this happens all the time in football.

Aside from that, Dembele, Dempsey, Vertonghen and if we're going to draw a really really long bow, Sigurdsson were all good players, Villas-Boas just didn't get the best out of them, and that was his job. If he couldn't adapt to the conditions of having players signed for him as opposed to signing them himself, then he was the wrong man for the job, plain and simple.

As for Sherwood, he's bad for a completely different reason. He's a spanner who's whinging about everything & has no credentials. He's the Mark Neeld of the Premier League.

Chairman gets a 20+ year free pass? How many poor months did AVB honestly have before he was shown the door? Certainly not the 1-3 years your advocating for here.
Since you didn't get it the first time, I'll say it again; they're completely different jobs. Levy's been in charge for about 15 years now and under his leadership, our profits have improved drastically. As for Villas-Boas, how did he improve the club at all?

Stadium issue has been addressed by Jd2010 else who knows more about the issue than I do, I'll leave it to them
So you're going to stick by your opinion even though you don't have a grasp of the bigger picture?

My point is the standards you hold the manager in no way ties to that of the chairman and it should, you either both let them do their job within a reasonable time frame or your ruthless with both.
No, doesn't work like that. One's been doing an excellent job improving the clubs finances & stature for 15 years, the other has done nothing.

Could I criticize Levy for hiring the wrong managers? Sure, but I certainly won't be calling for his head. Not to mention, I'd rather criticize Sherwood, he's doing an infinitely worse job than anyone involved with the club right now.
 

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I'm on his ignore list but I'll still address his points 1 by 1:

The technicality in the #1 signign AVB wanted to build his side on was £2m

Dembele before his groin complaint and while playing alongside Sandro was easily in our top 5 players up til about Feb last season.
Dempsey did just what I expected of him last season. He was a star mid table player and was more than serviceable for us
JV was our 2nd best player last season. Levy/Baldini didn't sign a LB this season which forced AVB to play him out there and he cracked the sads and lost form.
Siggurddson is a casualty of the transformation of Bale from a LW to a CF last season. Still think he should have been used more often in the role since Bale's departure but has had an injury interrupted season.

Agree. Sherwood is woeful. But Levy's track record over a longer period isn't great either.

15 years ago we were mid table side. A 5/10 club who can cause an upset or go on cup run. He did push us beyond that and we are financially sound. Within 7 years he had us as a 7/10 club who was 5th-6th but still off being close to pushing for top 4. In the last 7 years he has only been able to push us on to that 8/10 which we still are and that is a club that is punching above it's weight getting 5th and 4th finishes time and time again. I don't discount what he has done to get us to this point but I don't think he is the man, as he has proven over the last 8 years to take us to that 9-9.5 range that the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Utd and Liverpool are at and contest for titles and consistently make the top 4. It's like Mark Harvey at Fremantle. Great coach who built exciting foundations but he was never going to take them to the flag, enter Ross Lyon!

As mentioned we are already 8 months behind Arsenal were in getting the issue sorted and finished. And not a single bit of construction on the stadium is complete. It wont be ready by 2020 while ENIC and/or Levy are in charge.

Levy's first 8-9 years were good for the club. The last 6-7 has been full of sideways and backward steps apart from the training ground.
 

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Not a bad 11 missing tonight:

Lloris
Walker
Kaboul
Chiriches
Vertonghen
Dawson
Capoue
Dembele
Paulinho
Lamela
Adebayor

Almost a starting XI right there!
 

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Not a bad 11 missing tonight:

Lloris
Walker
Kaboul
Chiriches
Vertonghen
Dawson
Capoue
Dembele
Paulinho
Lamela
Adebayor

Almost a starting XI right there!
Something up with our medical staff? Anyone seen the "Weapon" around recently? :D

Can't see it but would ******* love a Soldado hatrick tonight to put us through!
 

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Something up with our medical staff? Anyone seen the "Weapon" around recently? :D

Can't see it but would ******* love a Soldado hatrick tonight to put us through!
Could be our staff.

Even out there tonight Sandro, Rose, Gylfi, Chadli and Townsend have all had multiple injuries this season. Speaking of Townsend he is woeful. Worst player out there tonight. Fryers showing a bit at CB
 

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Just saw Chadli's two goals; now he is a player with talent. I'm not even sure we need a new left-wingman provided the manager (god forbid if it's Sherwood) can consistently get the best out of him.

In fact, the only player I'd say this squad really needs is a central playmaker who can control play through the middle similar to Modric, and that's a role Carroll might be able to fulfill.

Getting the new manager is the big one though. Doesn't even have to be van Gal (who's now being touted for the Manure), it just has to be an experienced manager who's played at the top level with a good record & excellent man-management skills.
 

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Chadli should start every game from here on in playing off Soldado or Adebayor and rotating out left with Eriksen. Fantastic resilience shown by him after missing 3 good chances in the derby to come out and carry us almost back into the tie!

We really could have taken in to ET very very unlucky. Great save from Gylfi's header from a fantastic cross by Chadli, decent penalty shout for a shove on Kane & Kane's header straight to the keeper was unlucky that it was just a bit beyond him so he couldn't direct it or get much power on it.

Special mentions:
Zeki Fryers - very very good display at CB
Sandro - until the penalty at the end he was a real leader out there
Siggurddson - very neat in the deep role
Bentaleb - he will be a player for this club but he shouldn't be starting every game. Fantastic to see him show some form again after being patchy of late
Kane - fantastic cameo

Dishonourable mentions:
Townsend - very average
Soldado - only really given one real chance but again didn't look suited by the system
Sherwood - dropping Soldado after scoring against Cardiff and ruining any possible increase in morale, leaving Eriksen on the bench for so long!
 

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Well, here's a bit of perspective; the team we struggled badly to break down last weak is getting taken to the cleaners by the Blue Shit. 4-0 at half-time.

We are so far behind it's scary. I'm going off on a broken record here, but my god I'm going to lose my ****ing shit if Sherwood is our manager next season, because that's the last thing we need. He won't shut the **** up about how he's expecting to be in charge either, and that he wants full control over the transfers.
 

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Well, here's a bit of perspective; the team we struggled badly to break down last weak is getting taken to the cleaners by the Blue Shit. 4-0 at half-time.

We are so far behind it's scary. I'm going off on a broken record here, but my god I'm going to lose my ****ing shit if Sherwood is our manager next season, because that's the last thing we need. He won't shut the **** up about how he's expecting to be in charge either, and that he wants full control over the transfers.
How Koscielny and Mertesacker could hold us out for 45 minutes of pressure last week then dish up some of the most inept defending I've ever seen against Chelsea today... WTF? You'd almost call for a Steward's inquiry...
 

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I feel empty after that comeback win.

Spurs Supporters will no doubt be ecstatic with the dead rubber win, I however am unhappy, because it'll give Sherwood's optimism a boost, which I can't stand.
 

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I feel empty after that comeback win.

Spurs Supporters will no doubt be ecstatic with the dead rubber win, I however am unhappy, because it'll give Sherwood's optimism a boost, which I can't stand.
But you got to at least be happy about the potential of Eriksen, Soldado and Chadli for the future? Som lovely link up play today. Geez Soldado deserves a nice easy tap in...

Naughton made some costly mistakes but I thought he battled back well. It's Rose I'm increasingly concerned about...
 

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But you got to at least be happy about the potential of Eriksen, Soldado and Chadli for the future? Som lovely link up play today. Geez Soldado deserves a nice easy tap in...

Naughton made some costly mistakes but I thought he battled back well. It's Rose I'm increasingly concerned about...
Sure am pleased with their performances, but I can't be happy as a spurs supporter until I'm 100% sure Sherwood will be gone.

Speaking of Eriksen, he will be a much more consistent player for us provided we add more flamboyant and/or intelligent players to the starting 11; plodders like Lennon just don't have it in them to get on the end of his slick, creative balls.
 

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Rotating 3 behind Soldado of Eriksen, Chadli and Lamela would be very exciting to see

At the game today and some of the link up between those I mentioned above who did play was amazing to see. Soldado is the smartest striker we've had on our books since Berbatov thats for sure! Hope we stick with him for the 14/15 season
 

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If there's one good decision we've made all season, it's shipping Gareth Bale off to Madrid.

Was absolutely deplorable in the Classico today, and has no work-rate whatsoever. The last thing we need are more downhill skiers.
 

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If there's one good decision we've made all season, it's shipping Gareth Bale off to Madrid.

Was absolutely deplorable in the Classico today, and has no work-rate whatsoever. The last thing we need are more downhill skiers.
Yeah but Modric remains one of the best players I've ever seen on the ball...sigh...
 
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