Bill Shorten - how long?

[JackOutback]

Too right too whats your point?

I agree, taxing bad behaviour is a good way to raise funds and discourage bad behaviour. Like pumping pollutants into the air.

 

[Vader]

Labor are a nightmare in waiting and you have inadvertently hit on the crux of it. They will turn equate diesel 4wd ownership with smoking and so begins the next great tax gouge. Here in Australia where any lefty dickhead never- leaves -suburbia fool is insulated.

WTF? You must be smoking some seriously good ganja weed.

 

[FredLeDeux]

WTF? You must be smoking some seriously good ganja weed.

Tax it, that'll shut him up.

 

[Power Raid]

Misleading statements? Tale any coalition ad in any election since howard was PM. There wouldn’t be any liberals walking the streets

Sadly we have a major issue in Australian politics with honesty.

That’s why I call for small government, separation between the executive government and operation as we see with the RBA and courts, prospectus for policy, no PM, integrity commissions and criminal prosecution.

 

[Power Raid]

WTF are you dribbling about? Literally nothing you have written makes sense.

... and I love your assumption that "petrol will be cheaper in 2035" - based on what?

Labor has stated that they have set a target of 50%. They obviously can't force people to buy electric cars, but they take actions to encourage people to buy them. That would include tax & stamp duty concessions (reducing the cost of purchase & operation), and building fast recharge stations (addressing the range issues).

In any case, the motor vehicle manufacturers are mostly voting with their feet, in complete agreement with Labor's plans. Several have already announced timeframes for ceasing the production of petrol & diesel vehicles, switching to hybrid/electric/hydrogen vehicles only.

Besides... you do realise that the Libs have a 25-50% target for electric cars? In criticising Labor (which is all they know how to do), they're actually criticising their own policy. The funny thing is that they, and their supporters, are too dumb to realise.

Petrol will be cheaper in 2035 then today due to the efficiency of cars (50% more efficient than 2012), so despite a doubling of cars globally, demand remains the same.

The game changer is the growth in aviation, meaning oil refining is geared to produce aviation fuel and the waste product is petrol.

And based on BPs forecasts.


Car manufacturers are heading that way but they also acknowledge that political arm waving can’t be achieved in the time frames promoted.

97% of cars globally in 2035 will have a combustion engine. So yes EV will represent 3%, a large % will be combustion only but hybrid will be the transitional winner.

Remember 2035 is not far away, meaning there isn’t enough time for wholesale infrastructure change.

Further petrol is relatively clean compared to wind and solar based on Germany’s 2035 CO2 post shutting down nuclear. Meaning they would have wasted $1.5 trillion for a marginal improvement on 1990 on a kwhr basis.

 

[Spuddigger]

Can't see anything that condemns Bill at this point-all just deals etc to make things better for his members. Unless, in the unlikely event, he has down something illegal, or has diddled his comrades, nothing to see here. The public doesn't seem to be fussed.
Even if stuff emerges, who cares. Plibersek will be great.

Why ruin BIGFOOTY with politics?

 

[Power Raid]

Based on?

BP forecasts

 

[GreyCrow]

BP forecasts

Petrol will be cheaper in 2035 then today due to the efficiency of cars (50% more efficient than 2012), so despite a doubling of cars globally, demand remains the same.

Just read it

https://www.resilience.org/stories/...ergy-outlook-reasonable-base-case-assessment/

I'm not sure how you can quantify cheapness of price (as thats how i read your statement) due to efficiencies. As a bald statement petrol needs to be cheaper than $1.50 in 2035. Its not going to be.

B.P. assumes that the average car will be able to travel 50 miles on a gallon of gasoline, versus 30 miles today,

There are many factors that come into play when looking at efficiencies. Urban crawl, legislation (speed limit) road management (physical and traffic). You even highlighted one issue that will decrease any increased efficiencies- double the number of cars on the road!

 

[Baltimore Jack]

 

[Power Raid]

Just read it

https://www.resilience.org/stories/...ergy-outlook-reasonable-base-case-assessment/

I'm not sure how you can quantify cheapness of price (as thats how i read your statement) due to efficiencies. As a bald statement petrol needs to be cheaper than $1.50 in 2035. Its not going to be.

B.P. assumes that the average car will be able to travel 50 miles on a gallon of gasoline, versus 30 miles today,

There are many factors that come into play when looking at efficiencies. Urban crawl, legislation (speed limit) road management (physical and traffic). You even highlighted one issue that will decrease any increased efficiencies- double the number of cars on the road!

The 2018 presentation I read was from BP Australia (a retail business not oil), explained it wasn't efficiency causing the decrease in price but the increase in demand for aviation fuel. Meaning petrol was the by-product/ waste product being dumped on the market.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

 

[nut]

I know that most people hereabouts will vote for Labor or the Greens, but it would be nice to understand.... for the love of god why??? This buisiness of 50% of cars to be electric by 2030 is CLASSIC Labor.

You have Bill and Albo straight up lying when they say there's technology that will have cars charged in 10 minutes. It takes 48 hours to charge a car on a normal outlet, 7 hours on a fast charge. It even takes 1 hours if you take the car to the manufacturer million dollar charger.

Charging a car is the equivalent drawdown as turning on two airconditioners. What will that do to the grid? What if the car is in an accident is it then an electified hazard? What happens to the batteries after they are buggered? Where do you charge cars when you are on the road?

Typical incompetent Labor

You’ve missed the Kristina Keneally video haven’t you?

https://junkee.com/kristina-keneally-electric-cars/200839

 

[its free real estate]

50% of new cars by 2030 really isn’t that ambitious, conservative aim if anything. Means your run around second car will be electric while your people mover that takes the family on holidays, pulls the trailer, etc runs on petrol.

 

[GreyCrow]

50% of new cars by 2030 really isn’t that ambitious, conservative aim if anything. Means your run around second car will be electric while your people mover that takes the family on holidays, pulls the trailer, etc runs on petrol.

This is how EV/Hybridss should have been sold in the first place

The city runabout. Get to work and back. Quick trip to the shop. Drop the kids off

 

[FredLeDeux]

This is how EV/Hybridss should have been sold in the first place

The city runabout. Get to work and back. Quick trip to the shop. Drop the kids off

And send the excess power back into the grid.

 

[its free real estate]

This is how EV/Hybridss should have been sold in the first place

The city runabout. Get to work and back. Quick trip to the shop. Drop the kids off

The problem is they are more expensive than your basic ICE Corolla/Yaris. Without subsidies they don’t really get off the ground.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

The problem is they are more expensive than your basic ICE Corolla/Yaris. Without subsidies they don’t really get off the ground.

Mobile phones originally cost $3000

How come the RWNJ have so much trouble looking beyond the next 5 minutes?

 

[Taylor]

I agree, taxing bad behaviour is a good way to raise funds and discourage bad behaviour. Like pumping pollutants into the air.

Or earning higher incomes?

 

[its free real estate]

Mobile phones originally cost $3000

How come the RWNJ have so much trouble looking beyond the next 5 minutes?

Electric motors and lithium batteries are multi decades old technologies. We’ve had electric motors since Thomas Edison, longer than we’ve had ICE.

They’re still not price competitive.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Electric motors and lithium batteries are multi decades old technologies. We’ve had electric motors since Thomas Edison, longer than we’ve had ICE.

They’re still not price competitive.

And just like that.....you say something even dumber

 

[Taylor]

Mobile phones originally cost $3000

How come the RWNJ have so much trouble looking beyond the next 5 minutes?

It helped that mobile phones were filling a void, you couldn't talk on the phone outside your home before them.

You can drive around already, in a cheaper option. The challenge for electric is to be priced competitively enough that the choice is a simple comparison, we've already seen at Coles and Woolworths that people will buy the cheaper milk and bread even if the difference between that and supporting locals is $1.

Hip pocket trumps heart in most of the cases, but if the price between is close it could work.

It will take some big investment to build the quantity of scale production without the sales being secured though.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Its as if the history of consumerism never existed

You could imagine RWNJ saying at the turn of 20th century "this horseless carriage thing will never take off, where are they going to get the gas, the water and new tyres, it will never be as reliable as the horse....it will all be over in a year or so, no it will never work"

They NEVER EVER learn...and they get all salty when the left tell them to get out of the 1950's (and what is even worse, is that they try to frame an argument over their inability to learn)

RWNJ get your head around this (if you can) Every car manufacturer in the world is working on or currently building EV's

 

[Taylor]

Its as if the history of consumerism never existed

You could imagine RWNJ saying at the turn of 20th century "this horseless carriage thing will never take off, where are they going to get the gas, the water and new tyres, it will never be as reliable as the horse....it will all be over in a year or so, no it will never work"

They NEVER EVER learn...and they get all salty when the left tell them to get out of the 1950's (and what is even worse, is that they try to frame an argument over their inability to learn)

The Ford Model T was the car that burst onto the scene. This was the first car built with a rolling production line and because of that efficiency it made it affordable.

 

[Kram]

I agree, taxing bad behaviour is a good way to raise funds and discourage bad behaviour.

Like that alco pops tax?

 

[its free real estate]

And just like that.....you say something even dumber

You haven’t refuted my point. Mobile phones cost $3000 when they were new technology. Electric vehicles aren’t new: they haven’t succeeded because they have always been more expensive than ICE vehicles and remain more expensive.