Bill Shorten - how long?

[FredLeDeux]

A shudder went through the electorate when Bill and Albo bought this thought bubble into the light and even the CFMEU owned polls dont count in a general election. All thats needed now is a boat.

That's your answer - you're in charge of the Liberal Party lifeboat?

 

[Gough]

It would be a very inconvenient time for a former immigration detention facility occupant to commit a terrorist attack over Easter or ANZAC day.

But if you were writing the Hollywood script it's exactly what would happen.

That's the truth of the matter, for the Liberal Party to win this election there will have to be a mass casualty terror event and even then...

 

[Balls In]

That's the truth of the matter, for the Liberal Party to win this election there will have to be a mass casualty terror event and even then...

Thats kind of what I was getting at. May not be the landslide people expect. Bill is the most distrusted poli in Australia selling policies you can drive a Mack truck through.

 

[Pessimistic]

With all joking aside, because this will sound ridiculous, I'm very serious about this.

I think the key to getting electric vehicles off the ground is to have battery packs that sit on your garage wall and charge off your solar panels all day, then slot into your car.

Being able to take a spare battery with you eliminates the longer trip issues.

Energy density becomes the problem then, a box the size of a briefcase holding enough energy to move a 2t lump around at 100km/h would be quite a firework.

At the very least standardisation and a good aftermarket replcaement, which should take a lot less labour than an engine swap

 

[Pessimistic]

btw I got this in facebook on April 1.

Like plenty of others I wanted one

 

[Pessimistic]

Thats kind of what I was getting at. May not be the landslide people expect. Bill is the most distrusted poli in Australia selling policies you can drive a Mack truck through.

You should be in the Libs strategy team'

https://www.volvogroup.com/en-en/news/2018/apr/news-2895600.html

Mack Trucks plans to have a fully electric refuse vehicle in 2019
4/25/18AB Volvo
Mack Trucks, a part of Volvo Group, plans to have a fully electric Mack LR refuse model equipped with an integrated Mack electric drivetrain operating in North America in 2019. The New York City Department of Sanitation (DSNY), one of Mack´s largest customers, will test the demonstration vehicle in its highly demanding operations.

 

[Pessimistic]

Speaking of fake news - Scomos libs keeping us safe from terrorists?

Havent all the attacks happened when the libs are in power?

So scomos keeping us safe from terrorist attacks under a labor govt?

 

[nut]

With all joking aside, because this will sound ridiculous, I'm very serious about this.

I think the key to getting electric vehicles off the ground is to have battery packs that sit on your garage wall and charge off your solar panels all day, then slot into your car.

Being able to take a spare battery with you eliminates the longer trip issues.

Energy density becomes the problem then, a box the size of a briefcase holding enough energy to move a 2t lump around at 100km/h would be quite a firework.

Charging stations at every RSL and pokie venue will create massive uptake in EV in retiree areas ...
Shopping centres, Bunnings, golf courses.... coupled with Solar car parks and a new revenue stream will be created. The revolution will be quick ... anyone who thinks otherwise will be left behind.


About 50kwh = 250km endurance ... ATM

 

[GreyCrow]

Thats kind of what I was getting at. May not be the landslide people expect. Bill is the most distrusted poli in Australia selling policies you can drive a Mack truck through.

No he really isn't. Now to be fair you might be hiding under your bed but it's Scotty that gives me nightmares and I am happy to know that in 37 days my nightmare ends

 

[Taylor]

Charging stations at every RSL and pokie venue will create massive uptake in EV in retiree areas ...
Shopping centres, Bunnings, golf courses.... coupled with Solar car parks and a new revenue stream will be created. The revolution will be quick ... anyone who thinks otherwise will be left behind.


About 50kwh = 250km endurance ... ATM

Lets discuss charging stations. How long will you expect this to be free?

I think the long term plan for them would be to build them, gather dependency and then either jack up the cost to use them or sell the infrastructure to a company that will.

Consumers will probably stomach a $10 to $20 charge fee because it compares well to fuel prices, but I expect that fuel being at over a dollar a litre (or measured at $50-70 a tank) will lead to a charge rate of $25 per charge at these non-domestic charging stations.

That represents a significant increase in price of power from a domestic cost, which would mean it's worth your money to build one if people will use it. So why does the government need to spend the money? If there is the opportunity for me to purchase charging stations at the beach with a solar panel on top to supplement the grid feed I pay a small amount to, I'm spending a lot of money to build those in the car parks along the beach.

A pole with a paywave functionality, a solar panel and a mains connection - the local council will even give me parking spaces because they get a publicity chance out of it.

Where do you sit on it?

 

[Balls In]

So the dream is that people drive around during the day then hook up their chargers overnight. This is the equivalent of turning on two airconditioners per car. Yeah I cant see our current third world power system struggling with that.

 

[Balls In]

No he really isn't. Now to be fair you might be hiding under your bed but it's Scotty that gives me nightmares and I am happy to know that in 37 days my nightmare ends

Seen Bills prefered PM polling? The master knifeman playing small target under the shadow of his union controllers. I wonder what the payoff is going to look like.. $8b, more?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Seen Bills prefered PM polling? The master knifeman playing small target under the shadow of his union controllers. I wonder what the payoff is going to look like.. $8b, more?

Can we keep the conspiracy shit in the conspiracy nutbagger board? It's bad enough that the trump thread is drowning in it

 

[nut]

Lets discuss charging stations. How long will you expect this to be free?

I think the long term plan for them would be to build them, gather dependency and then either jack up the cost to use them or sell the infrastructure to a company that will.

Consumers will probably stomach a $10 to $20 charge fee because it compares well to fuel prices, but I expect that fuel being at over a dollar a litre (or measured at $50-70 a tank) will lead to a charge rate of $25 per charge at these non-domestic charging stations.

That represents a significant increase in price of power from a domestic cost, which would mean it's worth your money to build one if people will use it. So why does the government need to spend the money? If there is the opportunity for me to purchase charging stations at the beach with a solar panel on top to supplement the grid feed I pay a small amount to, I'm spending a lot of money to build those in the car parks along the beach.

A pole with a paywave functionality, a solar panel and a mains connection - the local council will even give me parking spaces because they get a publicity chance out of it.

Where do you sit on it?

I think it’s a no brainer for business give discount charging to get the punters in.
Yes it will need a government stimulus early but it will quickly catch on.
I’d expect large car parks will have multiple charging stations being run by an attendant to systematically charge the cars whilst the owners are at work, shopping, flying, playing golf, getting a meal or what ever.
50kw of power at 25cents is $12 ...50cents a kilometre...

Loyalty points could be used to pay... options galore for smart operators.

 

[Badesumofu]

Seen Bills prefered PM polling? The master knifeman playing small target under the shadow of his union controllers. I wonder what the payoff is going to look like.. $8b, more?

Hold on, you think Labor's policy platform is 'small target'? Seriously? This is by far the least 'small target' strategy by an opposition in a quarter of a decade.

 

[Balls In]

Hold on, you think Labor's policy platform is 'small target'? Seriously? This is by far the least 'small target' strategy by an opposition in a quarter of a decade.

Well he has told me my fishing spot that's a 12hr run up the coast will now take 12 hours and 21 minutes to get to. Thats ok I guess.. except specialists in that field are saying it will actually take somewhere between 3-8 days provided you can find somewhere to charge the car (and assuming they haven't locked up the ocean like they attempted last time).

 

[Vader]

Hold on, you think Labor's policy platform is 'small target'? Seriously? This is by far the least 'small target' strategy by an opposition in a quarter of a decade.

If anything, it's the Libs who are running a "small target" strategy. They don't actually have any policies to put to the electorate, because the moderates and the RWNJs within the party can't agree on anything.

 

[Taylor]

I think it’s a no brainer for business give discount charging to get the punters in.
Yes it will need a government stimulus early but it will quickly catch on.
I’d expect large car parks will have multiple charging stations being run by an attendant to systematically charge the cars whilst the owners are at work, shopping, flying, playing golf, getting a meal or what ever.
50kw of power at 25cents is $12 ...50cents a kilometre...

Loyalty points could be used to pay... options galore for smart operators.

I think it needs to be self service to keep the costs competitive. As soon as you put someone on the payroll you're going to need to pay them, the other person who works when they don't and the insurance to cover someone under your employ potentially damaging a customer's property - or even a false claim that they have.

Insurance and serviceability certificates to insulate you from someone bringing a faulty car to you then claiming you caused the fault.

That's not a very deep dive into the costs of setting it up, and I agree that the product sold is cheap, but the requirements of the delivery to make it simple for the consumer might be too much for a financially viable option.

So I think it has to be as stripped back as possible, self service, no cash, no attendants.

 

[Badesumofu]

Well he has told me my fishing spot that's a 12hr run up the coast will now take 12 hours and 21 minutes to get to. Thats ok I guess.. except specialists in that field are saying it will actually take somewhere between 3-8 days provided you can find somewhere to charge my car

I must have missed where Labor announced a policy to ban petrol cars.

 

[Taylor]

If anything, it's the Libs who are running a "small target" strategy. They don't actually have any policies to put to the electorate, because the moderates and the RWNJs within the party can't agree on anything.

Governments that are proposing lots of changes should be viewed skeptically.

I'd expect conservative governments to have "keeping it how it is" as policy.

 

[Taylor]

I must have missed where Labor announced a policy to ban petrol cars.

Their package to encourage electric vehicles can be either:
Make it much cheaper to buy, so heavy subsidies (costs money)
Make it much more expensive to buy petrol cars via taxes (makes money)
Combination of the two

Which is the easiest and puts more money in the government's hands?

That's usually the way they go.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Their package to encourage electric vehicles can be either:
Make it much cheaper to buy, so heavy subsidies (costs money)
Make it much more expensive to buy petrol cars via taxes (makes money)
Combination of the two

Which is the easiest and puts more money in the government's hands?

That's usually the way they go.

Currently OS its forgoing part of the GST equivalent on the sale, and discounted registration fees

 

[Balls In]

I must have missed where Labor announced a policy to ban petrol cars.

How do you think they will force people into this hopelessly flawed technology in order to achieve their hopelessly flawed target? Soon we will be living Mad Max style one tank at a time.

 

[Badesumofu]

Their package to encourage electric vehicles can be either:
Make it much cheaper to buy, so heavy subsidies (costs money)
Make it much more expensive to buy petrol cars via taxes (makes money)
Combination of the two

Which is the easiest and puts more money in the government's hands?

That's usually the way they go.

I got news for you - as petrol cars become the exception rather than the rule globally, economies of scale dictate that they will get more expensive. Providing the necessary infrastructure for electric cars is a sensible policy to ensure consumers in Australia have a choice. This is basically a policy of moving with the times. Look honestly if you want to know more just go back 12 months and look at what the Liberals were saying about electric cars then.

 

[Vader]

Governments that are proposing lots of changes should be viewed skeptically.

I'd expect conservative governments to have "keeping it how it is" as policy.

This conservative government seems determined to "keep it how it was in 1950".