Phantom Draft Bishop's 2017 Draft Thread

[eth-dog]

That was on the cards. When's the last time a ruckman went top 3? Kreuzer?

Nic Nat

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Nic Nat

And even he "slipped."

 

[Pie 4 Life]

How about Grundy? I thought he was a clear top 3 pick and he slipped, sometimes strange things happen. Still shocked to this day that Collingwood who needed a ruck, getting one of the best looking jnr rucks I've seen.

Wasn't there rumours regarding Grundy's "honesty" at the time? Basically questioned his role where he fitted in, the direction of the club etc.? Obviously wouldn't faze everyone but could rub some up the wrong way.

 

[HedgeFund]

I think there may be a correlation between:

1. teams who have the high picks usually (save for trades where you pass on a very high pick for two, say late top ten picks) finishing at/near the bottom of the ladder and feeling they need a "quick fix";

2. The largely agreed view that the vast majority of talls need more time to blossom than the hard running mids.

So if you get the high pick and need the quick fix, you invariably pick the big/fast midfield kids who can come straight in (McGrath, Powell-Pepper, Taranto, McCluggage) rather than the longer term ruck/KPP player (Marshall, Battle, English) who may need 2 or 3 seasons to develop size in order to have genuine impact.

 

[LemmingMaster]

Wasn't there rumours regarding Grundy's "honesty" at the time? Basically questioned his role where he fitted in, the direction of the club etc.? Obviously wouldn't faze everyone but could rub some up the wrong way.

I've heard he is a different character, very eccentric and just a strange cat. Maybe that made people question his ability to transition into the AFL.

 

[briztoon]

I think there may be a correlation between:

1. teams who have the high picks usually (save for trades where you pass on a very high pick for two, say late top ten picks) finishing at/near the bottom of the ladder and feeling they need a "quick fix";

2. The largely agreed view that the vast majority of talls need more time to blossom than the hard running mids.

So if you get the high pick and need the quick fix, you invariably pick the big/fast midfield kids who can come straight in (McGrath, Powell-Pepper, Taranto, McCluggage) rather than the longer term ruck/KPP player (Marshall, Battle, English) who may need 2 or 3 seasons to develop size in order to have genuine impact.

The 2016 draft disagrees with you.

 

[HedgeFund]

The 2016 draft disagrees with you.

Please explain....

 

[briztoon]

Please explain....

oops meant 2015. my bad

Pick 1 Weitering
Pick 2 Schache

If you are a team like Brisbane or Carlton, there are no quick fixes. You likely have multiple areas that need to be addressed, so take the best player available, and if you desperately need a KPP and there is a KPP at the top of the draft, just take him.

 

[SA_Tiger11]

Bishop you legend. Article on the AFL website had a few names in the SANFL as possible mature age recruits.

Jack Stephens from Sturt was mentioned. What are your thoughts there?

 

[Bishop]

Bishop you legend. Article on the AFL website had a few names in the SANFL as possible mature age recruits.

Jack Stephens from Sturt was mentioned. What are your thoughts there?

I've never seen him play so have nothing on him at all. I generally just stick to the U18s - you physically can't follow everything so that's my focus and I let others look at the state leagues.

 

[SA_Tiger11]

Nah all good Bishop thought ask you first as your a Tiges man as well.

All good mate. Hope we get up this weekend

 

[HereIam86]

That was on the cards. When's the last time a ruckman went top 3? Kreuzer?

Matthew Leuenberger was nearly a top 3 pick he went at pick 4.

 

[Ysaye]

Matthew Leuenberger was nearly a top 3 pick he went at pick 4.

That was the draft that started the rot for KP players going early (or rather I think after that recruiters became much more conservative with talls, particularly with rucks).

Gumbleton and Thorp, and to a lesser degree Lachlan Hansen, Ben Reid, Leuenburger and Nathan Brown all in the Top 10 but probably the talls that were actually best (Jack Riewoldt, James Frawley, Kurt Tippett, Todd Goldstein) were taken in the teens or a lot later.

 

[SumTingWong]

Matthew Leuenberger was nearly a top 3 pick he went at pick 4.

Look at how that turned out

 

[Schods]

Another draft ranking soon? Bishop

 

[Bishop]

Another draft ranking soon? Bishop

Will update it Monday - haven't had time to post as been away!

 

[Bishop]

Another draft ranking soon? Bishop

Rankings have been updated

Unfortunately Will Sutherland has gone the cricket pathway over football - but all the best to him. I have now removed him from my rankings - I would've had him contending for the No.1 pick.

 

[ringo1]

Rankings have been updated

Unfortunately Will Sutherland has gone the cricket pathway over football - but all the best to him. I have now removed him from my rankings - I would've had him contending for the No.1 pick.

Great work Bishop...are you going to extend it out to a full draft?

 

[Newatthis]

Rankings have been updated

Unfortunately Will Sutherland has gone the cricket pathway over football - but all the best to him. I have now removed him from my rankings - I would've had him contending for the No.1 pick.

Was he that good to be your number 1? What would he have to do that would knock of the top 4?

 

[Bishop]

Great work Bishop...are you going to extend it out to a full draft?

Maybe closer to the draft - at the moment I have about 55-60 names I'd be certain I'd be drafting (national + rookie) - but I won't just add names for the sake of it. Similar to clubs, I cut players off my list If I wouldn't consider drafting them.

Was he that good to be your number 1? What would he have to do that would knock of the top 4?

I always had him in contention for the No.1 pick (but ranked him closer to 5 than 1) - reckon his form in the 2nd half of the year at Oakleigh Chargers if he had've got down the footy path through finals might've pushed him there for me. Was clearly the best tall in it.

 

[ringo1]

Maybe closer to the draft - at the moment I have about 55-60 names I'd be certain I'd be drafting (national + rookie) - but I won't just add names for the sake of it. Similar to clubs, I cut players off my list If I wouldn't consider drafting them.



I always had him in contention for the No.1 pick (but ranked him closer to 5 than 1) - reckon his form in the 2nd half of the year at Oakleigh Chargers if he had've got down the footy path through finals might've pushed him there for me. Was clearly the best tall in it.

Thanks mate..I have found the phantom draft on the other reasonably accurate..your thoughts? It gets difficult after about 40 Imo

 

[Bishop]

Thanks mate..I have found the phantom draft on the other reasonably accurate..your thoughts? It gets difficult after about 40 Imo

Not for me - plenty of players who are on there who I don't reckon will even get drafted.

Plenty of guys well above too where they are likely to be drafted - but it's always a hard theory when some people have seen 50 games, whereas others have seen just a handful (eg: just the Champs) so basing off such a small sample size.

 

[mickjagger]

Not for me - plenty of players who are on there who I don't reckon will even get drafted.

Plenty of guys well above too where they are likely to be drafted - but it's always a hard theory when some people have seen 50 games, whereas others have seen just a handful (eg: just the Champs) so basing off such a small sample size.

yep its an interesting one I suppose...the next 5 weeks will make or break a few now

 

[Bishop]

yep its an interesting one I suppose...the next 5 weeks will make or break a few now

Next few rounds of TAC Cup will be back to its 'average' standard with school footy starting back up again. Players leaving their run this late might be well scratched off clubs boards I would've thought.

 

[mickjagger]

Next few rounds of TAC Cup will be back to its 'average' standard with school footy starting back up again. Players leaving their run this late might be well scratched off clubs boards I would've thought.

Yes...maybe just those on the balance might get their nose over the line. Pretty sure most recruiters would have a good idea by now