Phantom Draft Bishop's 2017 Draft Thread

[Newatthis]

Next few rounds of TAC Cup will be back to its 'average' standard with school footy starting back up again. Players leaving their run this late might be well scratched off clubs boards I would've thought.

Why not scrap the TAC and do the draft from School footy only then. Do the Vic Metro and Country sides just from the private schools.

 

[Bishop]

Why not scrap the TAC and do the draft from School footy only then. Do the Vic Metro and Country sides just from the private schools.

Because not every kid that gets drafted goes to a private school, It's just the way it goes sometimes with a large chunk coming from private schools most years. A state school kids gets the scholarship and instantly becomes a private school kid! Not every kids parents can afford for them to go to a private school...

But the majority do and that's where the depth/greater standard of the competition comes from.

 

[SumTingWong]

Do you think if we are forced to take Naish with one of our first round picks, we will use our 3rd round picks?

 

[Bishop]

Do you think if we are forced to take Naish with one of our first round picks, we will use our 3rd round picks?

Doubt it, think it'll be 1st or 2nd round only + rookie upgrades.

Can't see a club bidding on him in the 1st round - I'm expecting a bid in the 20s from everything I hear.

 

[foj1]

Doubt it, think it'll be 1st or 2nd round only + rookie upgrades.

Can't see a club bidding on him in the 1st round - I'm expecting a bid in the 20s from everything I hear.

I think you are right
16 onwards seems about right however his elite kicking will have him considered early

 

[Bishop]

I think you are right
16 onwards seems about right however his elite kicking will have him considered early

If he's an elite kick I'll eat my hat - makes some absolute shocking clangers by foot.

 

[Mighty_sainter]

Hey bishop, would like to know your thoughts on Constable and coffield. And another solid game from Adam cerra kicking 3.5 from 25 touches on the weekend for eastern. Do you think he could last until St kildas first pick 5-7? If not who in your opinion will be in range considered

 

[LemmingMaster]

If he's an elite kick I'll eat my hat - makes some absolute shocking clangers by foot.

Was thinking the same thing.

 

[Bishop]

Hey bishop, would like to know your thoughts on Constable and coffield. And another solid game from Adam cerra kicking 3.5 from 25 touches on the weekend for eastern. Do you think he could last until St kildas first pick 5-7? If not who in your opinion will be in range considered

Have both Coffield & Constable in the top 10. Cerra certainly in the mix for top 5.

If you could snag either of those 3 with the Saints' first pick that'd be ideal. Both Constable and Coffield are 190cm players who should move into the midfield and they read the play well. Constable very clean with his disposal and probably more of an inside midfielder at the moment - whereas Coffield probably a better general defender at the moment.

Cerra a balanced midfielder who wins the football and is clean on his right foot.

 

[Bicks]

Bishop
What did you think of the St.Pats boys that played in Herald Sun Shield game re the draft?

The Ballarat Courier's writer Pat Tansey named Jordy Johnson the best?
Doesn't look like the oppo was strong but judging by the scoreline?

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/4801214/st-pats-set-for-shield-play-off/?cs=63


St Pat’s 15.11-101 def Essendon and Keilor College 1.2-8
Goal Kickers: I.Johnson 4, J.Chatfield 3, J.Johnson 2, J.O’Connell 1, N.Canny 1, L.Dawson 1, K.Grey 1, J.Dodd 1
Best Players: J.Johnson, N.Stuhldreier, J.Grant, I.Johnson, J.Dodd, A.Domic, N.Canny



Thoughts?

 

[Bishop]

Bishop
What did you think of the St.Pats boys that played in Herald Sun Shield game re the draft?

The Ballarat Courier's writer Pat Tansey named Jordy Johnson the best?
Doesn't look like the oppo was strong but judging by the scoreline?

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/4801214/st-pats-set-for-shield-play-off/?cs=63

St Pat’s 15.11-101 def Essendon and Keilor College 1.2-8
Goal Kickers: I.Johnson 4, J.Chatfield 3, J.Johnson 2, J.O’Connell 1, N.Canny 1, L.Dawson 1, K.Grey 1, J.Dodd 1
Best Players: J.Johnson, N.Stuhldreier, J.Grant, I.Johnson, J.Dodd, A.Domic, N.Canny

Thoughts?

EKC their opposition are very weak and the result didn't surprise me.

JJ is a player that I'd be drafting, offers a few things that other medium forwards don't have (vertical leap etc).

I'm not a huge fan of Domic - If I had to say yes or no whether I'd draft him I'd say no. Stuhldreier has been ok when I watch him play, but another that doesn't scream 'draft me' whenever I've seen him play.

As one recruiter has taught me over the years, you've gotta look at the strength of the opposition. Just because player X had 30 disp, kicked 3 goals doesn't mean he played that well. The poor opposition midfielders didn't put up a fight hence why Player X dominated.

The test for the GWV Rebels blokes will be in the last handful of TAC Cup games when they're at full strength with Melbourne private school kids back playing. That's when if some of them perform against strong opposition they'll put their hand up.

 

[Bicks]

EKC their opposition are very weak and the result didn't surprise me.

JJ is a player that I'd be drafting, offers a few things that other medium forwards don't have (vertical leap etc).

I'm not a huge fan of Domic - If I had to say yes or no whether I'd draft him I'd say no. Stuhldreier has been ok when I watch him play, but another that doesn't scream 'draft me' whenever I've seen him play.

As one recruiter has taught me over the years, you've gotta look at the strength of the opposition. Just because player X had 30 disp, kicked 3 goals doesn't mean he played that well. The poor opposition midfielders didn't put up a fight hence why Player X dominated.

The test for the GWV Rebels blokes will be in the last handful of TAC Cup games when they're at full strength with Melbourne private school kids back playing. That's when if some of them perform against strong opposition they'll put their hand up.

Jordy's had a few runs through the midfield recently now he's got his fitness back and looked OK too, hopefully they'll give him a bit more exposure in the midfield in the back end of the season.

 

[SumTingWong]

Where do you expect Sam Taylor to get drafted? What sort of role do you expect him to be able to play?

 

[Bishop]

Where do you expect Sam Taylor to get drafted? What sort of role do you expect him to be able to play?

I'd take him as a later selection (3rd rd+) in the draft - but I know talking to people before the U18 Champs they weren't too sure whether he'd be picked or not.

Nice one-on-one defender, I'd take him before Clavarino - but I know a concern was he doesn't really have 'broad' shoulders so is a bit skinny in that regard for a KPD.

He doesn't win a lot of the ball and that might be an area that can be improved, as the days of a pure lock down KPD is pretty much gone. Now they need to be able to kick, rebound, spread well, switch the play etc.

 

[Stars align]

EKC their opposition are very weak and the result didn't surprise me.

JJ is a player that I'd be drafting, offers a few things that other medium forwards don't have (vertical leap etc).

I'm not a huge fan of Domic - If I had to say yes or no whether I'd draft him I'd say no. Stuhldreier has been ok when I watch him play, but another that doesn't scream 'draft me' whenever I've seen him play.

As one recruiter has taught me over the years, you've gotta look at the strength of the opposition. Just because player X had 30 disp, kicked 3 goals doesn't mean he played that well. The poor opposition midfielders didn't put up a fight hence why Player X dominated.

The test for the GWV Rebels blokes will be in the last handful of TAC Cup games when they're at full strength with Melbourne private school kids back playing. That's when if some of them perform against strong opposition they'll put their hand up.

 

[Stars align]

Bishop your thoughts on strength of opposition are spot on . In saying that at what level are some of the allies boys playing. If there playing against older mature bodies is this helping or hindering their draft chances . Or is it a case that recruiters saw them against there own age at the champs and that is enough to judge them on

 

[Bishop]

Bishop your thoughts on strength of opposition are spot on . In saying that at what level are some of the allies boys playing. If there playing against older mature bodies is this helping or hindering their draft chances . Or is it a case that recruiters saw them against there own age at the champs and that is enough to judge them on

The Allies boys are always hard to judge. Look at Matt Kennedy & Harry Perryman - two GWS Academy kids who played senior football for Collingullie-GP in their draft year, while others play NEAFL/U18 Championships.

Some clubs don't watch the Allies as closely as others, as most kids are in their relative academy squads. Eg: Will Richmond really bother watching BL 1st round Academy kid because they know BL will match regardless. The will watch - but they won't spend their resources there I wouldn't have thought.

Seeing them against their own age group is important but each player is to their own. Eg: Jack Graham last year ("Man-Child" was the word thrown around by some) he won the Larke Medal as he was more developed etc that the others, but that doesn't translate to AFL body shape.

Playing against mature bodies in the NEAFL is important, but at the same time depending on opposition that can be weaker that what the U18 Champs were. Will Player X learn from playing forward pocket in the GWS NEAFL team that doesn't score too much....

Clubs see the players enough whether that's NEAFL or U18 Champs and they can make pretty good assessments easily.

 

[Stars align]

The Allies boys are always hard to judge. Look at Matt Kennedy & Harry Perryman - two GWS Academy kids who played senior football for Collingullie-GP in their draft year, while others play NEAFL/U18 Championships.

Some clubs don't watch the Allies as closely as others, as most kids are in their relative academy squads. Eg: Will Richmond really bother watching BL 1st round Academy kid because they know BL will match regardless. The will watch - but they won't spend their resources there I wouldn't have thought.

Seeing them against their own age group is important but each player is to their own. Eg: Jack Graham last year ("Man-Child" was the word thrown around by some) he won the Larke Medal as he was more developed etc that the others, but that doesn't translate to AFL body shape.

Playing against mature bodies in the NEAFL is important, but at the same time depending on opposition that can be weaker that what the U18 Champs were. Will Player X learn from playing forward pocket in the GWS NEAFL team that doesn't score too much....

Clubs see the players enough whether that's NEAFL or U18 Champs and they can make pretty good assessments easily.

What is your assessment of the allies concept at underage level and chances of any being taken outside of brander and ballendon. Drilling down into the stats makes for some interesting reading when judging some of their other talls

 

[Bishop]

What is your assessment of the allies concept at underage level and chances of any being taken outside of brander and ballendon. Drilling down into the stats makes for some interesting reading when judging some of their other talls

Numbers don't tell the full picture, better to watch players live. I think the Allies is a decent concept, Div II (Academy Series) in particular was very weak this year so hard to gauge the players. I didn't think the Allies' squad was great this year, much better last year for me but they just underperformed only coming together right before the Champs.

Other than Ballenden/Brander.

Two I expect to be 2nd-3rd rounders are:
Zac Bailey Av. 17.3 KE: 66.7%, 39.7% CP, av 3.3 clearances, av 3.5 inside 50s, av. 4.5 tackles (I have him inside my top 30)
Charlie Spargo (injured shoulder- one game 18 disposals, 6 tackles) -- Another I have around the 30 mark)

Three others I could see going anywhere from 4th round > Undrafted who were decent throughout the carnival.
Jack Powell Av 16.3 disp KE: 60.5%, 50% CP, av 4.5 clearances, av 3 tackles
Nick Shipley Av 16.3 disp KE: 52.6%, 50% CP, av 3.3 clearances, av 4.5 tackles
James Bell Av 11.5 disp KEL 66.7%, 37% CP, av 3.8 tackles

I could see someone possibly biting the bullet at drafting Adam Sambono - but I don't reckon it'd be a Victorian club.

Think Brisbane are confident of getting Jack Payne for a 3rd-4th rounder & despite me personally not drafting Crossley if I was Gold Coast - they'll probably take him late or in the rookie (depending on bid).

 

[The Defender]

EKC their opposition are very weak and the result didn't surprise me.

JJ is a player that I'd be drafting, offers a few things that other medium forwards don't have (vertical leap etc).

I'm not a huge fan of Domic - If I had to say yes or no whether I'd draft him I'd say no. Stuhldreier has been ok when I watch him play, but another that doesn't scream 'draft me' whenever I've seen him play.

As one recruiter has taught me over the years, you've gotta look at the strength of the opposition. Just because player X had 30 disp, kicked 3 goals doesn't mean he played that well. The poor opposition midfielders didn't put up a fight hence why Player X dominated.

The test for the GWV Rebels blokes will be in the last handful of TAC Cup games when they're at full strength with Melbourne private school kids back playing. That's when if some of them perform against strong opposition they'll put their hand up.

Maribyrnong football academy year 9-10 boys last year beat St.Pats in the annual match they play each year.

If St.Pats are the benchmark, not sure why Maribyrnong don't partake in the herald sun shield.

 

[Bishop]

Maribyrnong football academy year 9-10 boys last year beat St.Pats in the annual match they play each year.

If St.Pats are the benchmark, not sure why Maribyrnong don't partake in the herald sun shield.

Not sure how it all works, but the winners from each division (four), ACC/SSV + two others play off in the Semi-Finals (Herald Sun Shield).

Majority of the private schools would beat St Pats - so you never truly get the two best football schools playing off in Victoria anywhere.

 

[Roadto2018]

Not sure how it all works, but the winners from each division (four), ACC/SSV + two others play off in the Semi-Finals (Herald Sun Shield).

Majority of the private schools would beat St Pats - so you never truly get the two best football schools playing off in Victoria anywhere.

Would love to see a brighton '14-'16 team vs St Pats, they made a pretty strong St kevs side look ordinary, so did brighton of course.

 

[LemmingMaster]

I'd take him as a later selection (3rd rd+) in the draft - but I know talking to people before the U18 Champs they weren't too sure whether he'd be picked or not.

Nice one-on-one defender, I'd take him before Clavarino - but I know a concern was he doesn't really have 'broad' shoulders so is a bit skinny in that regard for a KPD.

He doesn't win a lot of the ball and that might be an area that can be improved, as the days of a pure lock down KPD is pretty much gone. Now they need to be able to kick, rebound, spread well, switch the play etc.

You make a great point with regards to Taylor's body shape, that was a concern hiding in the back of my head for a while now. He seemed to never really get out bodied when I watched him play, so it reduced my concerns a little.

 

[Bishop]

Would love to see a brighton '14-'16 team vs St Pats, they made a pretty strong St kevs side look ordinary, so did brighton of course.

Brighton has had 2 players drafted (Andrew McGrath & Josh Clayton) over the 3 years they've won the premiership and they've been the clear standout in the private school system for the last 5 years. Reckon Brighton would still beat St Pats - but shows you don't need to have 'big named draftees' to be successful in school boy footy.

 

[Aussie18]

Numbers don't tell the full picture, better to watch players live. I think the Allies is a decent concept, Div II (Academy Series) in particular was very weak this year so hard to gauge the players. I didn't think the Allies' squad was great this year, much better last year for me but they just underperformed only coming together right before the Champs.

Other than Ballenden/Brander.

Two I expect to be 2nd-3rd rounders are:
Zac Bailey Av. 17.3 KE: 66.7%, 39.7% CP, av 3.3 clearances, av 3.5 inside 50s, av. 4.5 tackles (I have him inside my top 30)
Charlie Spargo (injured shoulder- one game 18 disposals, 6 tackles) -- Another I have around the 30 mark)

Three others I could see going anywhere from 4th round > Undrafted who were decent throughout the carnival.
Jack Powell Av 16.3 disp KE: 60.5%, 50% CP, av 4.5 clearances, av 3 tackles
Nick Shipley Av 16.3 disp KE: 52.6%, 50% CP, av 3.3 clearances, av 4.5 tackles
James Bell Av 11.5 disp KEL 66.7%, 37% CP, av 3.8 tackles

I could see someone possibly biting the bullet at drafting Adam Sambono - but I don't reckon it'd be a Victorian club.

Think Brisbane are confident of getting Jack Payne for a 3rd-4th rounder & despite me personally not drafting Crossley if I was Gold Coast - they'll probably take him late or in the rookie (depending on bid).

I think the Allies beat Vic Metro? (AFL traits not giving up) and lead Vic Country at 3/4 time. Some of their players averages were clearly better than those Vics being rated in top 20 most players now playing senior footy not school or u18s.