Phantom Draft Bishop's 2017 Draft Thread

[Hellgood]

I hope that doesn't mean we're going towards Allen as our primary target. Good footballer, just doesn't meet our needs.

I think that's a fairly one-dimensional assessment of Allen, has high potential in a number of roles.

 

[Falco]

He would be developed in time to replace Kennedy. Mids can plug in without as long a runup.

He plays as a KPF in 18's, but when we are in dire need of midfield talent, taking Allen doesn't make sense right now. I he's available at 21 we'd have a good look, but not at 13. 13 has to be a midfielder.

 

[Falco]

I think that's a fairly one-dimensional assessment of Allen, has high potential in a number of roles.

I have heard people touting him as having midfield potential. But why would we take that risk? He may not grow from 191cm and be stuck as a third tall for the rest of his career, which we already have plenty of.

 

[Richo83]

I'd be very surprised if the eagles didn't go small.

 

[Bishop]

Whats your view on Oscar Clavarino would love him at the tigers.

3rd round + for me. At times he can be 'soft' and he drops a lot of marks. I've got a few question marks on him - there's others talls I'd take.

He plays as a KPF in 18's, but when we are in dire need of midfield talent, taking Allen doesn't make sense right now. I he's available at 21 we'd have a good look, but not at 13. 13 has to be a midfielder.

I don't get this approach - why does it *have* to be a midfielder. From the way I have it - what midfielder do you take? Maybe Constable. But other than that there aren't any in that range. If you need mids, you don't just grab one way too early out of necessity, especially if a fair few will be there at 21.

You can grab a midfielder at 21 (Possibly Ed Richards, Lochie O'Brien etc) + Tim Kelly in the 2nd round. Nothing wrong with taking Allen at 13 - he's a very good footballer.

 

[Falco]

I don't get this approach - why does it *have* to be a midfielder. From the way I have it - what midfielder do you take? Maybe Constable. But other than that there aren't any in that range. If you need mids, you don't just grab one way too early out of necessity, especially if a fair few will be there at 21.

You can grab a midfielder at 21 (Possibly Ed Richards, Lochie O'Brien etc) + Tim Kelly in the 2nd round. Nothing wrong with taking Allen at 13 - he's a very good footballer.

My rationale is that our midfield is our weakest part of our team; picking Allen, who I agree is a very good footballer, does not address that need. Whilst I get that Constable is likely available at 13 and that we have 4 picks after that to add midfield talent, we lack the B-grade and above midfielders to make a difference. If a team takes a tall before 13 then the range available to us gets better. What do you recommend for the Eagles to address our midfield?

 

[Bishop]

My rationale is that our midfield is our weakest part of our team; picking Allen, who I agree is a very good footballer, does not address that need. Whilst I get that Constable is likely available at 13 and that we have 4 picks after that to add midfield talent, we lack the B-grade and above midfielders to make a difference. If a team takes a tall before 13 then the range available to us gets better. What do you recommend for the Eagles to address our midfield?

To take the best player available at each pick inside top 20-25.

Hunter Clark would be a good addition, but he could be off the board. The feeling is Eagles take a tall at 13 as there isn't a midfielder available.

Then they use their 2nd rounders on Kelly/Ryan + other midfielders in that range.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Bishop, we appear to be in the midst of a cunning plan to cut every player who has ever kicked a goal in their career, with only four (!) players remaining that have ever kicked over 20 goals in a season.

Who in your eyes are the most capable goalkickers/high IQ forwards likely to be available at 9, 16 and the rookie draft? Our two early picks seem to be in a tricky position to be in for that particular need, so especially interested in the late options if you have any names to offer up.

 

[Bishop]

Bishop, we appear to be in the midst of a cunning plan to cut every player who has ever kicked a goal in their career, with only four (!) players remaining that have ever kicked over 20 goals in a season.

Who in your eyes are the most capable goalkickers/high IQ forwards likely to be available at 9, 16 and the rookie draft? Our two early picks seem to be in a tricky position to be in for that particular need, so especially interested in the late options if you have any names to offer up.

I reckon Oscar Allen, Jack Higgins & Nathan Murphy are such players likely available in that 9-16 range. Might be a small reach for Gryan Miers at Pick 16 - but Dal does back himself & his recruiters in.

Brent Daniels/Charlie Spargo/Dylan Moore are others that could play small forward but won't be there at Pick 82 (I think Dogs have) but too early at 9/16.

Looking through the prospects, there aren't that many small forwards that'll be around in the rookie draft. Aaron Trusler a Dogs supporter is a rookie-undrafted prospect, maybe they consider him if they want speed/smarts around goal. But there aren't too many others that stand out from right across the country.

Adam Sambono another - but not sure how he'd go transitioning down to Victoria.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I reckon Oscar Allen, Jack Higgins & Nathan Murphy are such players likely available in that 9-16 range. Might be a small reach for Gryan Miers at Pick 16 - but Dal does back himself & his recruiters in.

Brent Daniels/Charlie Spargo/Dylan Moore are others that could play small forward but won't be there at Pick 82 (I think Dogs have) but too early at 9/16.

Looking through the prospects, there aren't that many small forwards that'll be around in the rookie draft. Aaron Trusler a Dogs supporter is a rookie-undrafted prospect, maybe they consider him if they want speed/smarts around goal. But there aren't too many others that stand out from right across the country.

Adam Sambono another - but not sure how he'd go transitioning down to Victoria.

Thanks for that.

Do you actually view Higgins as a forward? I've heard some say he's definitely a midfielder and others that he could certainly be a high-level forward if played/developed as such.

Also, how much of a reach do you think Allen would be at 9? I have mixed feelings about him.

One more - are you able to tell me a little more about Trusler?

 

[Suma Magic]

problem is, we're hand picking the best players from those drafts. dont have the benefit of hindsight with the 2017 draft yet.

2017 crop is being underrated i think. but time will tell.

Each draft is just the top 5 selected. No hand picking.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I don't get this approach - why does it *have* to be a midfielder. From the way I have it - what midfielder do you take?

The best midfielder available.

To take the best player available at each pick inside top 20-25.

If Sam Hayes slides to 13, should we take him, despite not needing a ruckman?

 

[Bishop]

Thanks for that.

Do you actually view Higgins as a forward? I've heard some say he's definitely a midfielder and others that he could certainly be a high-level forward if played/developed as such.

Also, how much of a reach do you think Allen would be at 9? I have mixed feelings about him.

One more - are you able to tell me a little more about Trusler?

Higgins is definitely a small forward at the next level, maybe a 20% burst player in the midfield. But he's a forward.

Allen not a huge reach at 9 - some say Freo will consider him. Allen's range is 1st round.

Trusler - elite speed/agility, very good goal smarts. Booted a chunk of goals for Sandy, but is a burst player - and hasn't put in a full 4 quarter performance. Starring for a quarter or two, then going missing. Had a knee injury during the season so missed a few games. 169.5cm height will count against him though.

The best midfielder available.

If Sam Hayes slides to 13, should we take him, despite not needing a ruckman?

Sam Hayes isn't the best available at Pick 13 - ruckman are a different kettle of fish. Grundy/English etc - they go later than where many clubs view them.

If the best midfielder available at Pick 13 is one that should go in the 2nd round, do you take them? No - you take the best player available.

What is it with Fremantle & West Coast supporters this week. Sheeesh.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

If the best midfielder available at Pick 13 is one that should go in the 2nd round, do you take them? No - you take the best player available.

Not necessarily. I'd make a decision based on a range of considerations, weighted in favour of the best available midfielder.

If the best player available is a tall defender but you're already stacked for tall defensive options, you probably don't draft another one.

 

[Psicosis]

Hey bishop

Interested to know what you would do with Norths pick 4? It's obvious that it appears to be out of Cerra and Stephenson. 1 is has elite composure, 1 has elite speed an X factor. Equally, 1 has question marks over their pace and the other has question marks over their kicking.

Obviously norths midfield is seriously problematic, and an obvious lack of speed and composure.

Which of these two do you see with the highest ceiling? Who would you take at 4?

 

[HARKER]

Bishop, we appear to be in the midst of a cunning plan to cut every player who has ever kicked a goal in their career, with only four (!) players remaining that have ever kicked over 20 goals in a season.

Who in your eyes are the most capable goalkickers/high IQ forwards likely to be available at 9, 16 and the rookie draft? Our two early picks seem to be in a tricky position to be in for that particular need, so especially interested in the late options if you have any names to offer up.

So we started a trend then?

 

[LemmingMaster]

Bishop, we appear to be in the midst of a cunning plan to cut every player who has ever kicked a goal in their career, with only four (!) players remaining that have ever kicked over 20 goals in a season.

Who in your eyes are the most capable goalkickers/high IQ forwards likely to be available at 9, 16 and the rookie draft? Our two early picks seem to be in a tricky position to be in for that particular need, so especially interested in the late options if you have any names to offer up.

It is important to remember you also added Schache and he looked very good as a junior playing as a forward.

 

[briztoon]

Hey Bishop,

How big a talent gap is there between the mids/wings/small backs/small forwards available around pick 15/18 and the likes of Worpel and Gryan Miers?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

It is important to remember you also added Schache and he looked very good as a junior playing as a forward.

For sure, I was being slightly facetious - but if you have a look at our list as a whole there are very few who you would refer to as at all threatening goal kickers. It's probably the most obvious hole on the list.

 

[LemmingMaster]

For sure, I was being slightly facetious - but if you have a look at our list as a whole there are very few who you would refer to as at all threatening goal kickers. It's probably the most obvious hole on the list.

Not a heap of good forwards or small forwards in your pick range to be honest. Just a heap of potential hybrid forwards.
Fogarty, Brander, Allen, Stephenson, Higgins, Murphy...
I personally like Miller as a late round selection with a hope that he develops into a Ben Brown styled forward.

 

[HedgeFund]

Jack Higgins at AFL level will be a pure small goal kicking forward IMO. Unless he grows a couple of inches he is probably too short to play midfield regularly.

 

[GoGrows]

Jack Higgins at AFL level will be a pure small goal kicking forward IMO. Unless he grows a couple of inches he is probably too short to play midfield regularly.

He is 2cm taller than Neale.

Same height as Viney.

2cm shorter than Sam Mitchell.


If he's good enough, height won't be a problem. Shown he's good enough at u18 level, remains to be seen if he can do it at AFL level. But, i wouldn't rule out the possibility of him succeeding in the midfield exclusively because of his height.

 

[Jack Richards]

Hey Bishop who do you see is a great grab at pick 19?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Other than Naish (i am assuming Richmomd will match a bid) who would you reccommend as a quality wing/outside mid (i believe thats what we are likely to be after with one of our second rounders). Is O'Brien that far ahead of the othed outside types on quality or is it more even than people suggest?

In unrelated matters where would you put Spargo pick wise-will his height drop him down the order or are recruiters still very keen?

 

[SumTingWong]

How confident are you with these picks a month out?