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[Malifice]

To be honest, from us chinese perspective, a free, fair, equal society is one where there is no handout, no intervention and free for all. Everyone for themselve, rule of the jungle.

You're aware that China is Communist right?



The day I get lectured to by China about human rights, and a free society is the day hell freezes over.

 

[Rad Roo]

You're aware that China is Communist right?

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The day I get lectured to by China about human rights, and a free society is the day hell freezes over.

I dunno where you got that idea from. Clearly someone who is not chinese or have been to china.

Perhaps you got chinese friends, lol, as if that's a viable excuse, it's barely a useful deflection.

Oh yeah, by the way, you used the tank photo, that clearly shows we got better human rights than you aussies. We didn't run him over, you slit throats of 14 boys and girls in the middle east.

Oh yeah, you got your tank man, i got your tank man.



Great human rights activitist indeed.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

You're aware that China is Communist right?

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The day I get lectured to by China about human rights, and a free society is the day hell freezes over.

No, they aren't
Authoritarian at best
Totalitarian at worst

But not Communist

 

[Malifice]

I dunno where you got that idea from. Clearly someone who is not chinese or have been to china.

Perhaps you got chinese friends, lol, as if that's a viable excuse, it's barely a useful deflection.

Oh yeah, by the way, you used the tank photo, that clearly shows we got better human rights than you aussies. We didn't run him over, you slit throats of 14 boys and girls in the middle east.

Oh yeah, you got your tank man, i got your tank man.

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Great human rights activitist indeed.

Dude, China is a Communist country.

The Communist Party of China (CPC),[18][note 2] commonly known as the Chinese Communist Party (CCP),[19] is the founding and sole governing political party of the People's Republic of China (PRC). The CCP leads eight other legally permitted subordinate minor parties together as the United Front. The CCP was founded in 1921, with the help of the Far Eastern Bureau of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and Far Eastern Secretariat of the Communist International under Lenin.[20][21] The party grew quickly, and by 1949 it had driven the Kuomintang (KMT)'s Nationalist Government from mainland China to Taiwan after the Chinese Civil War, leading to the establishment of the People's Republic of China on 1 October 1949. It controls the country's armed forces, the People's Liberation Army (PLA). It is also one of the two major historical contemporary parties in Chinese history, the other being the Kuomintang.

The CCP is officially organized on the basis of democratic centralism, a principle conceived by Russian Marxist theoretician Vladimir Lenin

Chinese Communist Party - Wikipedia

And the difference between our war criminals and yours is ours are investigated, and publicly named, and are to be tried for their crimes.

Your government just runs over and murders thousands of its own people protesting for democracy, and covers it up. You cant even access the tank photo above on the internet in China. Heck, you cant even post a photo of Winnie the Pooh in China.

Human rights and China?

Human rights in China - Wikipedia

Freedom in China?

Freest Countries 2021 (worldpopulationreview.com)

Please. Just stop. China is a totalitarian pseudo Communist nationalist State.

If you love it so much, head back there and post online about how much the CCP and Xi suck balls. Let me know how it goes for you.

 

[Malifice]

No, they aren't
Authoritarian at best
Totalitarian at worst

But not Communist

Communism is Authoritarian and Totalitarian.

Or are you talking about fantasy 'theoretical' Communism, and not how it's actually played out every single time it's been attempted?

 

[CatFan79]

When you factor socio-economics into crime stats, racial disparities in crime disappear.

And males from single-parent families have an incredibly higher chance of committing crimes.

Licence to drive, licence to have children.

 

[Malifice]

And males from single-parent families have an incredibly higher chance of committing crimes.

Socio- economics. If your background is one of poverty, poor parental supervision, neglect, abuse and so forth, you're obviously statistically more likely to commit crimes.

If your parents are loaded and you have access to everything you need, those odds drop considerably.

A person can point out greater rates of crime among a particular ethnic group all they want, but the instant its adjusted for socio-economic factors the 'racial' disparity vanishes. A poor and socio-economically person is just as likely to commit a crime as any other poor and socio-economically person regardless of ethnicity.

Ethnicity doesnt cause crime. It's just that some ethnicities face greater socio-economic causes of crime than others, so it creates a perception bias.

Your average copper sees crime mainly occurring in the [poor] black areas of town. He then targets those same people, uncovering more crime and entrenching the problem. The locals have increased police interactions, which lead to more deaths at the hands of cops, more arrests, and more socio-economic disadvantage.

The real enemy here is poverty, not race. But I can see how being a Black man in the USA, you're not exactly going to be fond of the police pulling you over every week for no other reason than the above racial bias.

Really, that's the argument here. Conservatives think either Black guys are 'inherently' more criminal than white people (the racist argument) or its their own fault for being overrepresented in crime stats in the first place (its their own fault argument). The reality is something a little more complex than that, but RWNJ gonna RWNJ.

 

[CatFan79]

The real enemy here is poverty, not race.

Could not agree more, but identity politics is the order of the day...

Exactly why BLM is so misdirected and such a failure.

 

[Rad Roo]

Communism is Authoritarian and Totalitarian.

Or are you talking about fantasy 'theoretical' Communism, and not how it's actually played out every single time it's been attempted?

Well, we china practice, the practical form of communism, that is the right system without the ideology. Ideology usually stand in the ways of reality.

You kind have to be smart to run a nation, perhaps your aussie gov should try to come up with its own systemt that actually suits australia. Whoops, did i just say aus system is copy and pasted from england and hasn't change for 150 years.

Also allow me the differentiate the difference between aussie establishment to that of the australian public just as the ccp is different to china (apparently according to those anti china bigots).

 

[Rad Roo]

Could not agree more, but identity politics is the order of the day...

Exactly why BLM is so misdirected and such a failure.

Well, when african american movement is run by white men, this is what you get.

 

[Rad Roo]

Dude, China is a Communist country.

Allow me to further educate you. Do i have sufficient privilege, well i lived in china for more than 10 years, so that's probably more than the lot of you on Bigfooty added together.

Communism in china today = authoritarian nationalist

I am a pro-china ethnonationalist.

Get your labels right.

 

[andrewmillman]

Will you tell your lot to get out of Europe in that case?

I just like to clarify that the comment this was replying to (Rad Roo telling us aussies to go back to UK and europe) has been deleted.

 

[Rad Roo]

Will you tell your lot to get out of Europe in that case?

No, it's all ours, consider that chinese exceptionalism or perhaps we could say, chinese subversionism.

Remember, chinese proverb = all under the heaven are imperial lands, all imperial lands are ruled by the emperor.

 

[andrewmillman]

Fair play, I hope some of the lefties see this exchange before the mods delete it if that happens.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Fair play, I hope some of the lefties see this exchange before the mods delete it if that happens.

I see it, mate. And I'm at a bit of a loss, except to say that the Chinese Communist Party does not accurately represent my lefty ways. I realise that the China v Taiwan thing is a bit of unfinished business from the Chinese Civil War (think the U.S Civil War but with the Confederacy still running on an offshore island despite being destroyed all over the mainland), but Taiwan has been doing their own thing now for so long that I think China could still display 'ownershiip' of the island and save face at the same time by putting out a heap of pomp and ceremony about its magnaminous behaviour then actually granting the island its independence.

China displays an ownership that it cedes of its own free will. It saves face to both the Party and to its own people. Taiwan nods and smiles and keeps on keeping on as it has since the mainland fell to Mao's revolutionaries. Taiwan keeps its face too.

Everybody's a winner.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Communism is Authoritarian and Totalitarian.

Or are you talking about fantasy 'theoretical' Communism, and not how it's actually played out every single time it's been attempted?

1. I'm talking Marx/Engels

2. Chile/Allende

3. Using your analogy Nazi's were Socialists
and
East Germany was Democratic (GDR)

 

[CatFan79]

1. I'm talking Marx/Engels

2. Chile/Allende

3. Using your analogy Nazi's were Socialists
and
East Germany was Democratic (GDR)

In other words, yes, he's talking about unicorns and fairies.. and a wish for widespread wealth redistribution to ultimately benefit himself.

 

[ferball]

Socio- economics. If your background is one of poverty, poor parental supervision, neglect, abuse and so forth, you're obviously statistically more likely to commit crimes.

If your parents are loaded and you have access to everything you need, those odds drop considerably.

A person can point out greater rates of crime among a particular ethnic group all they want, but the instant its adjusted for socio-economic factors the 'racial' disparity vanishes. A poor and socio-economically person is just as likely to commit a crime as any other poor and socio-economically person regardless of ethnicity.

Ethnicity doesnt cause crime. It's just that some ethnicities face greater socio-economic causes of crime than others, so it creates a perception bias.

Your average copper sees crime mainly occurring in the [poor] black areas of town. He then targets those same people, uncovering more crime and entrenching the problem. The locals have increased police interactions, which lead to more deaths at the hands of cops, more arrests, and more socio-economic disadvantage.

The real enemy here is poverty, not race. But I can see how being a Black man in the USA, you're not exactly going to be fond of the police pulling you over every week for no other reason than the above racial bias.

Really, that's the argument here. Conservatives think either Black guys are 'inherently' more criminal than white people (the racist argument) or its their own fault for being overrepresented in crime stats in the first place (its their own fault argument). The reality is something a little more complex than that, but RWNJ gonna RWNJ.

Did you ever hear that Ice T/BodyCount song about BLM?

 

[Fryman]

Race doesnt enter into it. When you factor socio-economics into crime stats, racial disparities in crime disappear.

There are 14.1 million white Americans living in poverty and only 8 million blacks in poverty.

Yet well over 50% of homicides were committed by blacks.

You’re going to have to explain how a ‘social construct’ is causing that disparity?

 

[Verdun]

Know their names: Black people killed by the police in the US

Between 2014 and 2020, police in the United States killed at least 7,680 people. Twenty-five percent of those killed were Black, although Black Americans make up just 13 percent of the population. In most cases, little or no action was taken against the officers involved. Here are some of the...

interactive.aljazeera.com

 

[ferball]

There are 14.1 million white Americans living in poverty and only 8 million blacks in poverty.

Yet well over 50% of homicides were committed by blacks.

You’re going to have to explain how a ‘social construct’ is causing that disparity?

Revenge is a social construct.

 

[Chief]

There are 14.1 million white Americans living in poverty and only 8 million blacks in poverty.

So what level of over-representation is that?

 

[Verdun]

So what level of over-representation is that?

Don't ask sensible questions Chief

 

[Malifice]

There are 14.1 million white Americans living in poverty and only 8 million blacks in poverty.

Yet well over 50% of homicides were committed by blacks.

You’re going to have to explain how a ‘social construct’ is causing that disparity?

I'll repeat myself because you're obviously a bit slow in addition to being a racist;

Socio-economic disadvantage. Poverty is a single aspect of this (the economic aspect). There are a myriad of contributing factors.

Income, employment, family, education, health, entrenched racism, political disenfranchisement, overpolicing etc etc.

Have white Americans had to deal with segregation, slavery, the KKK, or the lingering impacts of those things?

You're a racist who implies that black people commit crime for some genetic reason. I know you think it. And you already know what that makes you. You probably don't like the label, but that's what you are.

 

[Fryman]

You're a racist who implies that black people commit crime for some genetic reason.

Of course and you know why?

Because that explanation is the most logical. I don’t have to tie myself in knots like you and deny science and statistics to try and explain things because I’m scared of acknowledging reality.