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Holistic is without race and is often based on graft as well as 'magic'.

Holism is about the entirety of one's existential being....Thereby it is an approach that takes a 360, multi-dimensional perspective into account....So it encompasses all of the components of the human being, including the so-called 'ghost in the machine'....In other words, our invisible spiritual being.
 

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But is there a unique skillset, or is it just a false and racist fabrication perpetrated by the AFL media?
East Perth supporters used it in the 50s, long before the AFL media drew breath. As a kid who saw East Perth with Farmer, Kilmurray & Hunt too good for my team (Subi) be certain it had no negative connotations.
 

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You're welcome to give a best of WA indigenous 22....I'm sure it'll create just as much debate.
That'll take a bit of thought, would the guys down from Darwin like Bill Dempsey, Billy Roe, Benny Virgona & others such as the Rioli clan be cheating, plenty of walk up starts there, so I'll stick with the born & bred ... I'll be back.
Guys like Eddie or Byron Pickett, I'll leave out of consideration.
 

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That'll take a bit of thought, would the guys down from Darwin like Bill Dempsey, Billy Roe, Benny Virgona & others such as the Rioli clan be cheating, plenty of walk up starts there, so I'll stick with the born & bred ... I'll be back.
Guys like Eddie or Byron Pickett, I'll leave out of consideration.
Damn, does that mean that we can’t have Big Bad Basil and Peter Ware in our WA team !!!!.
 

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Having enjoyed the Indigenous round last week, and the festivities at Optus the week before,
i started doing some research, and have put together a list of all Indigenous players to have played 10 games or more at West Coast.
I'm fairly confident i've nailed it, but please let me know if I've overlooked someone.
Not really a big list for a club that has been around for over 30 years now, but some of the VFL/AFL's all time best in amongst them,
thanks for your service fellas!
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Having enjoyed the Indigenous round last week, and the festivities at Optus the week before,
i started doing some research, and have put together a list of all Indigenous players to have played 10 games or more at West Coast.
I'm fairly confident i've nailed it, but please let me know if I've overlooked someone.
Not really a big list for a club that has been around for over 30 years now, but some of the VFL/AFL's all time best in amongst them,
thanks for your service fellas!
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You haven't overlooked anyone! Lewis Jetta should be on 55 games, and Liam Ryan 23. Peter Matera played from 1990-2002. Jamie Bennell played 2014-16 (though he did join the club a year earlier, which is what you may be going on). Otherwise, all looks good.

As well as those 20 players (with 10+ games) you have had another 10 indigenous players with less than 10 games: Kevin Caton (1 game), Shane Cable (1), Dale Kickett (2), Trent Cummings (2), Neil Marshall (4), Adam Cockie (7), Gerrick Weedon (1), Murray Newman (6), Malcolm Karpany (7) and Brendon Ah Chee (8).
 

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You haven't overlooked anyone! Lewis Jetta should be on 55 games, and Liam Ryan 23. Peter Matera played from 1990-2002. Jamie Bennell played 2014-16 (though he did join the club a year earlier, which is what you may be going on). Otherwise, all looks good.

As well as those 20 players (with 10+ games) you have had another 10 indigenous players with less than 10 games: Kevin Caton (1 game), Shane Cable (1), Dale Kickett (2), Trent Cummings (2), Neil Marshall (4), Adam Cockie (7), Gerrick Weedon (1), Murray Newman (6), Malcolm Karpany (7) and Brendon Ah Chee (8).
thanks 35Daicos, should have double checked on AFL tables, and should have twigged that Roo played past 2000, as I remember him wearing the ochre.. updated

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Having enjoyed the Indigenous round last week, and the festivities at Optus the week before,
i started doing some research, and have put together a list of all Indigenous players to have played 10 games or more at West Coast.
I'm fairly confident i've nailed it, but please let me know if I've overlooked someone.
Not really a big list for a club that has been around for over 30 years now, but some of the VFL/AFL's all time best in amongst them,
thanks for your service fellas!
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4 Clear stand-out players there in the Matera Brothers, Lewis & Wirrpanda….The last is dead unlucky to have 2 gun back-pockets in both Wanganeen & Chris Johnson in front of him, otherwise he'd be a walk-up start.

Brilliant job on the picture editing too....You've given me a great idea there.:thumbsu:
 

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B:...C.Johnson..... M. Michael......G.Wanganeen.
HB:.A.McLeod……..A. Goodes……..….B.Pickett
C:...D. White.......P. Bell............M.Long
HF:.N.Winmar…...M.O'Loughlin………..P. Matera
F:...C.Rioli..........L.Franklin.........E.Betts
R:...G.Farmer.....S.Burgoyne.......B.Cable

Int: J.Krakouer, C.Lewis, M Pike, J.Farmer
Captain/Coach: M. Pike/Mark Williams
 

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B:...C.Johnson..... M. Michael......G.Wanganeen.
HB:.A.McLeod……..A. Goodes……..….B.Pickett
C:...D. White.......P. Bell............M.Long
HF:.N.Winmar…...M.O'Loughlin………..P. Matera
F:...C.Rioli..........L.Franklin.........E.Betts
R:...G.Farmer.....S.Burgoyne.......B.Cable

Int: J.Krakouer, C.Lewis, M Pike, J.Farmer
Captain/Coach: M. Pike/Mark Williams
I don't believe any of Mal Michael, Peter Bell, Martin Pike or Mark Williams (assuming you mean the ex-Port Adelaide coach) are Australian aboriginals.
 

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B:...C.Johnson..... M. Michael......G.Wanganeen.
HB:.A.McLeod……..A. Goodes……..….B.Pickett
C:...D. White.......P. Bell............M.Long
HF:.N.Winmar…...M.O'Loughlin………..P. Matera
F:...C.Rioli..........L.Franklin.........E.Betts
R:...G.Farmer.....S.Burgoyne.......B.Cable

Int: J.Krakouer, C.Lewis, M Pike, J.Farmer
Captain/Coach: M. Pike/Mark Williams
Mal Michael is not of Oz indigenous stock, but rather PNG I believe; & nor is Peter Bell, who is of Korean stock through his mother & an American father who is part Afro-American .

Even though Darryl white played in the Brions 3-peat, he has already been addressed as a bottom 6 player for his team in this thread.

As has the question of Choco Williams' African ancestry.

Pike I'm not 100% sure on, but am happy to be proven wrong about.

Basically, all your changes here are redundant.
 
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Mal Michael is not of Oz indigenous stock, but rather PNG I believe; & nor is Peter Bell, who is of Korean stock through his mother & an American father who is part Afro-American .

Even though Darryl white played in the Brions 3-peat, he has already been addressed as a bottom 6 player for his team in this thread.

As has the question of Choco Williams' African ancestry.

Pike I'm not 100% sure on, but am happy to be proven wrong about.

Basically, all your changes here are redundant.
I've never seen Pike's name on an "official list" of AFL/VFL indigenous players, or even heard it suggested before that he belongs on such a list.
 

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Gavin Wanganeen: 181cm, 83kgs....300 Games, 202 Goals from 1991-2006 (16 Seasons). Represented both Essendon & Port Adelaide>
2x Premiership player in both 1993 & 2004....Brownlow Medallist in 1993 & Port Adelaide Captain from 1997-2000.

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Gary Malarkey: 185cm, 89kgs....177 Games from 1977-1986 (10 Seasons) Represented both East Perth (1971-1976, 101 Games) & Geelong>
Best & Fairest at East Perth in 1973 & Premiership player there in 1972.

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Chris Johnson: 180cm, 92kgs....264 Games, 172 Goals from 1994-2007 (14 Seasons) Representing both Fitzroy & Brisbane>
3 Time Premiership player & Co-Captain in 2007.
 
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Byron Pickett: 178cm, 88 kgs….204 Games, 177 Goals from 1997-2007 (11 Seasons). Representing all of North Melbourne, Port Adelaide & Melbourne>
Dual Premiership player with both North in 1999 & then Port in 2004. Winning the Norm Smith Medal in 2004.
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Patrick Ryder: 197cm, 94kgs....236 Games, 164 Goals from 2006-2019 (14 Seasons). Representing both Essendon & Port Adelaide>
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Andrew McLeod: 181cm, 81kgs....340 Games, 275 Goals from 1995-2010 (16 Seasons). Representing Adelaide & remains it's current games record holder.>
Dual Premiership & Norm Smith winner in 1997 & 1998....3x Best & Fairest.
 
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Peter Matera: 183cm, 80kgs....253 Games, 217 Goals from 1990-2002 (13 Seasons). Represented West Coast Eagles.>
Dual Premiership player in 1992 & 1994, inning the Norm Smith in 1992. Best & Fairest in 1997.
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Maurice Rioli: 176cm, 85kgs....118 Games, 80 Goals from 1982-1987 (6 Seasons) Representing Richmond….Also played 168 Games & kicked 133 goals for South Fremantle from 1975-1981 & 1988-1990 (10 Seasons).> Dual Best & Fairest winner at Richmond in 1982/1983 & winner of the 1982 Norm Smith
Medal.
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Michael Long: 178cm, 82kgs....190 Games, 143 Goals from 1989-2001 (13 Seasons) Representing Essendon.>
Dual Premiership player in 1993 & 2000, winning the Norm Smith Medal in 1993.
 

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Michael O'Loughlin: 190cm, 90kgs.....303 Games & 521 Goals from 1995-2009 (15 Seasons). Representing Sydney>
Premiership player in 2005. 2x Club Leading Goalkicker & Best & Fairest in 1998....Such a great image that.
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Adam Goodes: 191cm, 100kgs....372 Games, 464 Goals from 1999-2015 (17 Seasons). Representing Sydney & Australia.>
Dual Brownlow Medallist in 2003 & 2006.... 2x Premiership winner in 2005 & 2012.... 3x Best & Fairest & 3x Leading Goalkicker.
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Nicky Winmar: 183cm, 81kgs....231 Games, 317 Goals from 1987-1999 (13 Seasons). Representing St.Kilda & Footscray...Also 90 Games & 90 Goals from 1983-1986 for South Fremantle.>
Dual best & Fairest winner in 1989 & 1995 & Leading Goal-kicker in 1988.
 
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Cyril 'Sizzle' Rioli: 177cm, 80kgs....189 Games, 275 Goals from 2008-2018 (11 Seasons) Representing Hawthorn.>
4x Premiership player & 2015 Norm Smith Medallist.
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Lance 'Buddy' Franklin: 199cm, 105kgs....296* Games, 930* Goals from 2005-Current (15 Seasons) Representing Hawthorn & Sydney.>
Dual Premiership Player in 2008 & 2013....4x Coleman Medallist....11x Club Leading Goalkicker...Best & Fairest in 2008.
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Eddie Betts: 173cm, 75kgs....305 Games*, 583 Goals* from 2005-Current (15 Seasons). Representing Carlton & Adelaide.>
4x leading club Goalkicker at Adelaide.
 
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Graham 'Polly' Farmer: 191cm, 94kgs....101 Games, 65 Goals from 1962-1967 (6 Seasons). Representing Geelong....Also 176 Games, 157 Goals from 1953-1961 (9 Seasons) for East Perth & 79 Games, 55 Goals from 1968-1971 (4 Seasons) for West Perth.>
Premiership player in 1963 & 2x Geelong Best & fairest in 1963/1964....5x VVAFL Premierships....3X Sandover Medallist.
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Shaun 'Silk' Burgoyne: 186cm, 89kgs....365 Games*, 283 Goals* from 2002-Current (18 Seasons) Representing Port Adelaide & Hawthorn.>
4x Premiership player....1 at Port in 2004.
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Barry Cable: 168cm, 70kgs....115 Games, 113 Goals from 1970 & 1974-1977 (5 Seasons). Representing North Melbourne....Also 225 Games & 325 Goals from 1962-1969 & 1971-1973 (11 Seasons) Representing Perth. & 43 Games, 50 Goals from 1978-1979 for East Perth.>
2x Premiership player at North in 1975 & 1977. 1x Best & fairest in 1970....4x VVAFL Premiership player & 3x Sandover Medallist....7x Perth Best & Fairest.
 

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Jeff Farmer: 174cm, 80kgs....249 Games, 483 Goals from 1995-2008 (14 Seasons). Representing Melbourne & Fremantle.>
3x Melbourne Leading goalkicker.
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Jim Krakouer: 167cm, 67kgs....137 Games, 236 Goals from 1982-1991 (10 Seasons). Representing North Melbourne & St.Kilda….Also 88 Games & 214 Goals from 1977-1981 (5 Seasons) Representing Claremont.>
1986 Best & Fairest at North & 3x Club leading Goalkicker there....Premiership player for Claremont in 1981.
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Chris Lewis: 186cm, 80kgs....215 Games & 259 Goals from 1987-2000 (14 Seasons).Representing West Coast Eagles.>
2X Premiership Player in 1992 & 1994.
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Stephen Michael: 188cm, 90kgs....243 Games, 231 Goals from 1975-1985 (11 Seasons) Representing South Fremantle.>
2x Sandover Medallist….5x Club Best & Fairest....1980 Premiership player.
 
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17 Indigenous Players have represented Hawthorn....Once young Mathew Walker makes his debut, which is inevitable, then it'll be a full side of 18.

Shaun Burgoyne is the only indigenous player to have played in 200 games for the Hawks.....He also played in 157 games for Port Adelaide over 8 seasons prior, from 2002-2009, kicking 181 goals there.

Here's our reps by order of games played:

Shaun Burgoyne....219*games, 109 goals...2010-2019 (10 Seasons)
Cyril Rioli……….......189 games, 275 goals....2008-2018 (11 Seasons)
Lance Franklin……..182 games, 580 goals....2005-2013 (9 Seasons)
Chance Bateman...177 games, 67 goals......2000-2012 (13 Seasons)
Mark Williams...…..111 games, 242 goals....2002-2009 (8 Seasons)
Brad Hill......………….95 games, 58 goals.....2012-2016 (5 Seasons)
Jarman Impey........41* games, 17 goals.....2018-2019 (2 Seasons)
Cameron Stokes.....20 games, 8 goals...…...2008-2010 (3 Seasons)
Harry Miller...………..18 games, 13 goals...…..2005-2006 (2 Seasons)
Carl Petersen...…….17 games, 13 goals...…...2010 (1 Season)
Chad Wingard...……14*games, 12 goals...……..2019 (1 Season)
Cyril Collard...……...13 games, 3 goals...……..1957-1958 (2 Seasons)
Jed Anderson...…….10 games, 4 goals...……..2013-2015 ( 3 Seasons)
Rhan Hooper...……...6 games, 7 goals...……...2010 (1 Season)
Percy Cummings.....5 games, 1 goal...………..1964-1965 (2 Seasons)
Kieran Lovell......…..2 games, No goals...…….2016 (1 Season)
Derick Wangneen....1 games, No goals........2014 (1 Season)
 
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I’m being lazy here, but when did the Hawks debut their first indigenous player ?.

Collard ?.

Just an observation, the Hawks dragged their feet giving indigenous players a good run. Not until the 2000’s.
 

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