List Mgmt. Blair Hartley Project - 2014 - 5 list spaces confirmed

[mcuzzy]

Matt White

Was rubbish on the weekend, kept kicking it the wrong way and didn't even put the right guernsey on.

Dud, delist.

 

[Rich o man]

2014 Free Agents

Adelaide Crows
Jason Porplyzia

Carlton
Jarrad Waite - The enigmatic forward is back in favour at Visy Park after a big finish to 2014, but reports have indicated the Blues are only offering a one year contract and the Kangaroos have offered two or even three years.

Collingwood
Tyson Goldsack - Port Adelaide are reportedly circling the versatile defender with a big three-year deal.

Essendon
Leroy Jetta - Has quit the Bombers as of 7/9/14.
Dustin Fletcher

Fremantle
Luke McPharlin

Hawthorn
Brad Sewell

Melbourne
James Frawley - Contract talks on hold. Linked to Collingwood and Geelong. As good as gone it seems.

North Melbourne
Michael Firrito

Port Adelaide
Tom Logan

St Kilda
Clint Jones - Delisted.
James Gwilt - Delisted.
Sam Fisher

Sydney Swans
Ryan O’Keefe - Delisted.
Nick Malceski - Contract talks on hold as of July 22.
Adam Goodes

West Coast Eagles
Sam Butler

Western Bulldogs
Shaun Higgins (Restricted) - Contract talks on hold for the injury prone Bulldog. Carlton reportedly circling.
Matthew Boyd

TBH not many on this list blowing sunshine up my skirt

Maybe Goodes will dive across the border and join us.

 

[theflea]

We don't kick enough goals as it is but people want to trade the only one on our list who consistently kicks them a 2time Coleman winner and heart and soul kind of player you don't trade blokes like that.

Go figure.

 

[theflea]

wasnt the deal we put him on around $600-650k?

With him being a free agent next year, he will be in demand, esp if he is flying early on.

BTW I'm not saying it will definitely happen, I'm saying if he has a gun season we shouldn't be shocked if it requires a decent pay bump to keep him. These are professionals at the end of the day.

I think we have the top dollar players on only about 650k ish.

 

[tropicaltiger]

Ellis is a match winner. WHE is special but no point selling the farm to buy a prize cow, let Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon do that crap.

ellis reminds me a lot of benny cousins, may not end up as elite as ben but looks nearly as good in all areas and can already take a better grab. looks very durable too. a keeper for sure would be devo if we tried to offload him to try and land a big fish.

 

[Dr Awkward]

Its been done to death(Earlier in the year),We offered White a contract that stayed within the parameters of list management requirements for the future(look no further than the Dusty standoff),he was offered more by Port(length wise) and he took it.What did you expect us to do? Bendover on the basis of 1 good season out of 5?

It's pretty much been proven that the White and Martin offers were both not big enough.

White was clearly worth more than what we offered, Port saw his value better than we did and now he's having a great year over there. We should have done more to meet his requirements.

Martin is clearly worth more than what we are paying him. He was probably our best player this year, is young, and his highly sought after. The club should have given him the extra 50k or 100k that was required to avoid that media circus at the end of last year, during which we risked losing him, which would have been disastrous.

 

[Magic17]

It's pretty much been proven that the White and Martin offers were both not big enough.

White was clearly worth more than what we offered, Port saw his value better than we did and now he's having a great year over there. We should have done more to meet his requirements.

Martin is clearly worth more than what we are paying him. He was probably our best player this year, is young, and his highly sought after. The club should have given him the extra 50k or 100k that was required to avoid that media circus at the end of last year, during which we risked losing him, which would have been disastrous.

Martin needs to learn to hit targets over 20 meters before we start paying him more!!!

 

[thecotch]

You are delusional if you think that having one of those players in a team will cost you a final.

I don't think they'll cost us a final. I don't think they can win us one with all of them playing. Compare our bottom 6 to say hawthorn or Sydney. Night and day. There's your finals victory right there.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

I don't think they'll cost us a final. I don't think they can win us one with all of them playing. Compare our bottom 6 to say hawthorn or Sydney. Night and day. There's your finals victory right there.

That's completely different to what you said.
The chances of them all playing in a final together is about 3 billion to one.

If they ever did then our list would be completely stuffed but they won't.
Doesn't mean you get rid of every one of them.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Going to get crap for it, but here we go. Helbig is lucky to have lasted this long. When ever he has played a senior game he has looked lost and was just horrid to watch (Especially since he got that stupid tattoo). I would always have Grigg and Newman on a list over Helbig because they have at least shown something good at some point in their career. Helbig was a list clog and I am glad to see him go

I doubt you'll cop crap for it.
If I was Matt Arnot i would be buying Jacko every drink on the footy trip.
Let's hope he makes the most of it.

 

[dean33]

We will probably end up with O'keefe. I'm not opposed to trading our 1st round pick to GWS + a player for a midfielder and keep dusty in the forward line. We need to be active out window opens next season an the season after.

gws don't want more draft picks to collect more kids, they want experienced top line players. I doubt they would trade us one of their young potential stars for our first pick plus an average player. We'd have to give up a gun.

 

[Heisenberg_]

We need some serious pace.
Why would we get O'Keefe? He was a great player but he is also 34 years old start if next season, a big no. If he plays on it will be a big mistake.

 

[DustinsGuns]

Why do people want O'Keefe? The guy has basically played zero AFL this year. Guys like Lloyd, Mitchell and Jones have been favored to him.

Maybe he just isn't as good as he use to be?

 

[tigerfan1961]

That's spots 5 on the senior list. Automatically deduct 1 for Miles and potentially another for Thomas.

I reckon we will still delist one more unless we trade someone out it Knights retires

We put bloody Thomas on the list and I will almost give it away. Never ever going to take us forward!!

 

[TJTIGER]

Next years free agents and off contract players looks good hopefully we grab a big fish then. This year try and grab a shiel,garlett. Then go hard at a big free agent

I'm starting to think that free agents are cream on top & are very difficult to get over the line. Looked at when they become available for sure but certainly not to be relied upon. We still need to be creative in the way we develop our list & take calculated risks in a number of areas...

 

[tigerfan1961]

Knowing these aren't the final delistings and the final cull is still to come.. what are peoples thoughts on Arnot as a tagger if he is kept on?
Some people might say he has no tank but I don't believe that to be true, he is actually a rather fit person. He tries his heart out which is why he looks cooked most times, doesn't put a half assed effort like Grigg. I feel his trouble when he steps up to AFL is finding the ball when he is in the middle. Seems a little lost at stoppages. He could be a player that thrives on that run with role?

Thoughts?

Will not make it IMO

 

[TJTIGER]

Will not make it IMO

Have to agree at this stage based on what we have seen of him at AFL level. Hope I'm wrong though...

 

[thecotch]

That's completely different to what you said.
The chances of them all playing in a final together is about 3 billion to one.

If they ever did then our list would be completely stuffed but they won't.
Doesn't mean you get rid of every one of them.

Very true but grigg, morris, bachelor, houli, thomas, petterd in the same team (or a large combination of them) has happened several times this year from memory. Not finals material would you agree? No you can't get rid of all of them because we simply can't given 7 have already gone. Just goes to show how bad our depth actually is considering arnott, hampsen, and even now newman still remain. Newman continuing was a necessity more than anything else. His time has passed.

 

[TigerTank]

In other news, Admiral Karl Doenitz named Melbourne skipper for 2015.

 

[Damo80]

I'm starting to think that free agents are cream on top & are very difficult to get over the line. Looked at when they become available for sure but certainly not to be relied upon. We still need to be creative in the way we develop our list & take calculated risks in a number of areas...

Agree. Add to that the fact that they will be into their late 20's to qualify, and will likely be looking to prefer a move to a club within striking distance of a premiership... All adds up to us being maybe still a year or two off being in prime position to attract some of that "cream". Just need to inject a bit more quality via this year's draft and trade period to make us the most attractive prospect possible.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Very true but grigg, morris, bachelor, houli, thomas, petterd in the same team (or a large combination of them) has happened several times this year from memory. Not finals material would you agree? No you can't get rid of all of them because we simply can't given 7 have already gone. Just goes to show how bad our depth actually is considering arnott, hampsen, and even now newman still remain. Newman continuing was a necessity more than anything else. His time has passed.

I'm not sure.
It's hard to assess. Houli probably gave more than anyone, Petterd didn't play much and was ok In last years final.
To be brutally honest I'm really more concerned at how our big name players have performed in finals.
Pretty disappointing.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

It's pretty much been proven that the White and Martin offers were both not big enough.

White was clearly worth more than what we offered, Port saw his value better than we did and now he's having a great year over there. We should have done more to meet his requirements.

Martin is clearly worth more than what we are paying him. He was probably our best player this year, is young, and his highly sought after. The club should have given him the extra 50k or 100k that was required to avoid that media circus at the end of last year, during which we risked losing him, which would have been disastrous.

On this years performance i agree on Martin.So therefore we got him cheap.
And as pointed out by someone else,White,s stats this year are very similar to last years so what we offered was the right price.
So if we did offer White more then thats seen as a slap in the face to the Martin camp.

 

[Damo80]

I seem like the only one who's been underwhelmed by Martin's year. He's improved in some areas, sure, but his disposal has been sloppy and lazy far too often for someone getting the wraps he is... Not to mention getting paid the money he is. But that's just me, it seems!

 

[Junior24]

Vickery has requested to be traded.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Apologies for being part of the spelling police but it is a "moot" point, unless you intended no one heard it.

Well my kids never listen to me,So its Mute.lol