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Sorry to intrude and I hope this is the right thread for this, but would you guys be interested in trading for David Armitage? He is contracted till 2016 and is a fairly important player at the Saints but I think he is a chance to be traded this year.

He is a tough inside mid (44% CP ratio last year) who was one of the best tacklers in the league last year (14th overall for tackles last year with 4th best tackle efficiency). He might not be on the same level as Fyfe but he is still a pretty good player (avg 92SC points last year) that seems to fit what you guys are after and I still think he has a bit of room for improvement.

As for cost: I think we would be after your 1st pick but we would probably throw in our 2nd because Armo probably isn't worth it on his own.
 

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Sorry to intrude and I hope this is the right thread for this, but would you guys be interested in trading for David Armitage? He is contracted till 2016 and is a fairly important player at the Saints but I think he is a chance to be traded this year.

He is a tough inside mid (44% CP ratio last year) who was one of the best tacklers in the league last year (14th overall for tackles last year with 4th best tackle efficiency). He might not be on the same level as Fyfe but he is still a pretty good player (avg 92SC points last year) that seems to fit what you guys are after and I still think he has a bit of room for improvement.

As for cost: I think we would be after your 1st pick but we would probably throw in our 2nd because Armo probably isn't worth it on his own.
For our first pick ? Not a chance!

however, lets not leave empty handed. Just look at our 200 plus Nick Riewoldt replacement just ready to slot into your forward line in Tyrone " I got work ethic" Vickery. I will happily swap him for Armitage as a change of scenery would help both players.
 

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Still think we could easily end up with Tyson by 2016.

GWS might want more draft picks to spread their cap to assist balancing their list and making it more effective in terms of synergy and maintaining a sustainable cap. If all their quality surges at once they will bust their cap which will not suit them either. Eg. draft picks to GWS, Boyd to MFC, Tyson to RFC.

No doubt as Cola disappears for GWS the likes of Scully probably traded on.
You really are on a funny planet Magic.
 

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Sorry to intrude and I hope this is the right thread for this, but would you guys be interested in trading for David Armitage? He is contracted till 2016 and is a fairly important player at the Saints but I think he is a chance to be traded this year.

He is a tough inside mid (44% CP ratio last year) who was one of the best tacklers in the league last year (14th overall for tackles last year with 4th best tackle efficiency). He might not be on the same level as Fyfe but he is still a pretty good player (avg 92SC points last year) that seems to fit what you guys are after and I still think he has a bit of room for improvement.

As for cost: I think we would be after your 1st pick but we would probably throw in our 2nd because Armo probably isn't worth it on his own.
Personally I'd love to have Armitage in our side, I have no idea of what a fair trade for him would be however
 
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For our first pick ? Not a chance!

however, lets not leave empty handed. Just look at our 200 plus Nick Riewoldt replacement just ready to slot into your forward line in Tyrone " I got work ethic" Vickery. I will happily swap him for Armitage as a change of scenery would help both players.
So you don't think your first pick will be on the trade table at all?

Personally I'd love to have Armitage in our side, I have no idea of what a fair trade for him would be however
Yeah, it is hard to pin a solid figure to what he is worth because he is in that middle ground of players that are good but not great. Personally I think he could be worth anywhere between 10-20 depending on how much a team needs a player of his type, where they sit in their flag window and how strong the draft is. But really I have no idea.

The thing with him is you know exactly what you are going to get and he has been very resilient so far in his career so he shouldn't miss many games. He hasn't played much this year due to a infected cut on his knee, but before that he only missed 2 games in the last 3 years.
 

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Sorry to intrude and I hope this is the right thread for this, but would you guys be interested in trading for David Armitage? He is contracted till 2016 and is a fairly important player at the Saints but I think he is a chance to be traded this year.

He is a tough inside mid (44% CP ratio last year) who was one of the best tacklers in the league last year (14th overall for tackles last year with 4th best tackle efficiency). He might not be on the same level as Fyfe but he is still a pretty good player (avg 92SC points last year) that seems to fit what you guys are after and I still think he has a bit of room for improvement.

As for cost: I think we would be after your 1st pick but we would probably throw in our 2nd because Armo probably isn't worth it on his own.

Realistically we have no need to trade for Armitage. With respect he is run of the mill. We can pick these up with later draft picks. If we can't we are wasting our time in the first place! I think we recognised this by getting the Geelong recruiter in to help us. We have the depth so no need to get cute for these types.

Bottom line is probably in 4 to 14 years RFC window will be open. Armitage at 26 these year really is too old for us. Saints really should be trying to trade these guys to current contenders who might need current support for a premiership tilt now as Armitage peak is really now. We need guys up and running in 8 years unless absolutely top gun so they can get us over the line before then. We need guys peaking in 4 years and beyond. Really, apart from the elite, we shouldn't be targeting guys over 23. Even when we got Grigg and Houli they were not old at the time!
 

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You really are on a funny planet Magic.

Not really, My scenario is highly plausible IMO.

Assuming Boyd, Cameron, and Patton are all genuine guns as drafters suggest. That means all three will command 700K plus at their peaks from 24+ years of age. Ideally they want that quality but with some skewed slightly younger to help them keep such quality by having more in a development stage. Brown was younger, cheaper and firing for the Brisbane Lions during their 3 peat as was Selwood for Geelong not to mention Hawkins then off the radar. It is all very well for all rising together for a premiership but that means their currency regarding salary all goes together as well which doesn't suit as well!

GWS, loses Cola simply can't afford to be paying 700K plus for Boyd, Cameron, and Patton at the same time plus Treloar, Whitfield, Kelly etc... Cameron himself will command 1 million most likely!

So how does GWS avoid this cap issue apart from front loading because that is not the complete solution. Front loading and players taking cuts for success will not be the complete solution to manage their list below the cap. I would imagine GWS will have a say in the top 3 draft picks for the next 5 years even if they bounce off the bottom like GC. Just watch West Coast and Freo make a play for Harley B and Omeara prior to FA!

If you were GWS, one thing you could do is pick up younger Peter Wright(possibly suit ruck more) to skew the list out, trade Boyd to MFC, Tyson to RFC, GWS get very good draft picks, pick up Lever and whoever from the draft picks received bit like Kelly for Tyson.

Have to remember Tyson is not a keystone for a rebuilding MFC. But Boyd with Hogan would be like Cameron and Patton for GWS and Melbourne is really in a rebuilding mode despite P Roos backline heroics. It is arguable Boyd, Patton and Cameron can even play together effectively for GWS in terms of getting the most out of their value. No point in GWS paying each 700K plus if, as a group, they get in each others way and nullify their effect, talent and value on the field for GWS. May be better GWS keep 2 gun forwards and a more top ruck/forward or mid, or backman or whatever to spread the talent across the field to help their premiership aspirations!
 
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Fyfe is ranked 4th in the AFL for contested possessions. In fact he wins over 50% of his disposals(26.2 per game) in a contested situation, he also ranks =13th for clearances and centre clearances as well as =21st for around the ground stoppages but yeah you're right he is an outside midfielder. o_O:oops:
That's nice. We are not talking about contested possessions. You do know how the afl class a contested possession.
 

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I had a dream the other night that Richmond rang me to go and talk Cotchin out of leaving the club. God help us.
God help you, if that's what you're dreaming about. Last night I dreamt of a threesome. Much better.

Ha that's what Matt White and Dusty Martin thought..............
White got his pay doubled and Dusty took 10% cut.

GWS gets to keep COLA, Mr Magic.
 

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God help you, if that's what you're dreaming about. Last night I dreamt of a threesome. Much better.

White got his pay doubled and Dusty took 10% cut.

GWS gets to keep COLA, Mr Magic.

I thought I read GWS was losing Cola to like Sydney Swans.

They keep other benefits for a while but I thought with Cola they are on par with the Swans.
 
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Any thoughts of trading Vlaustin for just about anyone, need to be knocked on the head immediately.
No, they actually need to be pounded with a hammer, over and over.

Trading Vlaustin would be the biggest f#ckup in RFC history and there has been some big ones.

There are some questionable IQ's at Richmond,but not even they would do it.
and dimma loves him too, i reckon vlaustuin can be a very good player, but have to make sure his development is right
 

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That's nice. We are not talking about contested possessions. You do know how the afl class a contested possession.
Well aware at how the AFL class contested possessions.
Now let me ask you this do you consider the following players as outside midfielders?
Ablett
Kennedy(Sydney)
Dangerfield
Ward
Priddis
J.Selwood
Libba
Boyd
Wines
Cotchin
 

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Sorry to intrude and I hope this is the right thread for this, but would you guys be interested in trading for David Armitage? He is contracted till 2016 and is a fairly important player at the Saints but I think he is a chance to be traded this year.

He is a tough inside mid (44% CP ratio last year) who was one of the best tacklers in the league last year (14th overall for tackles last year with 4th best tackle efficiency). He might not be on the same level as Fyfe but he is still a pretty good player (avg 92SC points last year) that seems to fit what you guys are after and I still think he has a bit of room for improvement.

As for cost: I think we would be after your 1st pick but we would probably throw in our 2nd because Armo probably isn't worth it on his own.
Wouldn't surprise me if we go after him, 2006 draft, fairly consistently in the top 10-15 in the league for clearances.
In saying that he is playing VFL and anything other than someone like Grigg/Houli or a late second , early 3rd your dreaming.
 
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