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Well aware at how the AFL class contested possessions.
Now let me ask you this do you consider the following players as outside midfielders?
Ablett
Kennedy(Sydney)
Dangerfield
Ward
Priddis
J.Selwood
Libba
Boyd
Wines
Cotchin
You have missed one _RT_ who has rocketed up that list this year, in Adam Treloar.
 

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Crozier will cost us at least our second rounder. He is a top 20 draft pick.
Probably but he's not worth that though IMO. Done nothing yet.

I'd probably say no to Fyfe. If we want to have a high profile player wait a year and have a crack at Danger. Martin and Danger in the same team. :eek:
 

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Probably but he's not worth that though IMO. Done nothing yet.

I'd probably say no to Fyfe. If we want to have a high profile player wait a year and have a crack at Danger. Martin and Danger in the same team. :eek:
Get Fyfe this year, offload more junk next year and get /Danger next.

A midfield of Fyfe, Dangerfield, Martin, Cotchin, Deledio, Vlastuin, Ellis, Conca and Miles. That is downright SCARY!
 

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Fyfe is ranked 4th in the AFL for contested possessions. In fact he wins over 50% of his disposals(26.2 per game) in a contested situation, he also ranks =13th for clearances and centre clearances as well as =21st for around the ground stoppages but yeah you're right he is an outside midfielder. o_O:oops:
Would be a lot higher in those areas too, if he hadn't missed two games through suspension.
 

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Get Fyfe this year, offload more junk next year and get /Danger next.

A midfield of Fyfe, Dangerfield, Martin, Cotchin, Deledio, Vlastuin, Ellis, Conca and Miles. That is downright SCARY!
Scary and expensive. There goes your whole salary cap haha
 

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Probably but he's not worth that though IMO. Done nothing yet.

I'd probably say no to Fyfe. If we want to have a high profile player wait a year and have a crack at Danger. Martin and Danger in the same team. :eek:
You would get Fyfe in FA. No need to waste compo on Fyfe yet and Freo still contending.


Interesting to see what Freo does. They need to rebuild but that hasn't been Lyon's caper yet Fyfe's management seems to think they are not meeting the market.

You would think in a few years. Freo does a cull to rebuild and then gets good compo for Fyfe via FA with a low draft position but that doesn't seem in Lyon's make-up so not sure how Freo going to play this one!

What would Fyfe be commanding atm anyway?
 
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Wouldn't surprise me if we go after him, 2006 draft, fairly consistently in the top 10-15 in the league for clearances.
In saying that he is playing VFL and anything other than someone like Grigg/Houli or a late second , early 3rd your dreaming.
Fair enough, not sure I agree with you on the price but as I said he is very hard to put in a price range. I've seen people on bigfooty value him anywhere from pick 8 to pick 35 (a few Saints fans value him less than I do) so it really is just a matter of waiting to see what, if anything, happens at trade time.

Just on the bolded bit: He is playing VFL due to being out with a freak injury and not due to form. Against the Crows he got cut so deep on his knee that the bone was exposed, but they stitched it up and he played out the game. It got infected and he spent a week and a half in hospital so he has just been waiting for it to heal. Played VFL last week and is a good chance to play in the seniors this week.
 

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So you don't think your first pick will be on the trade table at all?



Yeah, it is hard to pin a solid figure to what he is worth because he is in that middle ground of players that are good but not great. Personally I think he could be worth anywhere between 10-20 depending on how much a team needs a player of his type, where they sit in their flag window and how strong the draft is. But really I have no idea.

The thing with him is you know exactly what you are going to get and he has been very resilient so far in his career so he shouldn't miss many games. He hasn't played much this year due to a infected cut on his knee, but before that he only missed 2 games in the last 3 years.
Definitely won't unless it benefits us a lot more than using the pick. Like a trade involving a superstar (top 20 in the comp), which won't happen.
 

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Wouldn't surprise me if we go after him, 2006 draft, fairly consistently in the top 10-15 in the league for clearances.
In saying that he is playing VFL and anything other than someone like Grigg/Houli or a late second , early 3rd your dreaming.
he's played one vfl game back because of injury armitage is starting 22 for the saints.
 

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What would you be willing to offer Freo for Fyfe?
That was sarcasm.

The thing is, Fyfe is uncontracted, and we would hold the upper hand. We would have to part with our first rounder, but I would offer Vickery, Conca and our second rounder for him. If they reject, I'd go to Fyfe, tell him to tell Freo he is going to walk, put a massive bounty on his head and warn other clubs he will walk away from them if they draft him as he want's to be a tiger.

One can only dream.
 

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Fair enough, not sure I agree with you on the price but as I said he is very hard to put in a price range. I've seen people on bigfooty value him anywhere from pick 8 to pick 35 (a few Saints fans value him less than I do) so it really is just a matter of waiting to see what, if anything, happens at trade time.

Just on the bolded bit: He is playing VFL due to being out with a freak injury and not due to form. Against the Crows he got cut so deep on his knee that the bone was exposed, but they stitched it up and he played out the game. It got infected and he spent a week and a half in hospital so he has just been waiting for it to heal. Played VFL last week and is a good chance to play in the seniors this week.
Should try Hawthorn that are bit weak in their mids atm. Can I assume Hawthorn has already been tried and failed as an Armitage outlet or as part of a broader deal with McEvoy previously? If Hawthorn said no in the past that is not a good sign because usually they are quite astute.

I wouldn't go to RFC as a last resort. Clearly we are chasing younger players with more credentials as we build to be a force into the future giving Cotch and the Lennon generation best crack at premiership glory!
 

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That was sarcasm.

The thing is, Fyfe is uncontracted, and we would hold the upper hand. We would have to part with our first rounder, but I would offer Vickery, Conca and our second rounder for him. If they reject, I'd go to Fyfe, tell him to tell Freo he is going to walk, put a massive bounty on his head and warn other clubs he will walk away from them if they draft him as he want's to be a tiger.

One can only dream.
Just saw a lot of Fyfe discussion here & was wondering what Richmond people would be willing to give up.

IMO to get Fyfe you'd have to offer just a little less than we did to get Judd. IMO it'd be your first rounder (the lower the better obviously) + a very good player just to get Fremantle to pick up the phone. Although Fyfe is uncontracted, I don't agree that the team he chooses would have the upper hand. If Fyfe wanted to go to a Vic club - Freo would be well within their rights to sell him to the highest bidder.

Fyfe is holding out for more money. He knows he'll get more out of Freo by the end of the year than he would've gotten had he signed at the start. Simply because he gets better & better. He's a country WA boy. It'll be hard to move him.
 

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Just saw a lot of Fyfe discussion here & was wondering what Richmond people would be willing to give up.

IMO to get Fyfe you'd have to offer just a little less than we did to get Judd. IMO it'd be your first rounder (the lower the better obviously) + a very good player just to get Fremantle to pick up the phone. Although Fyfe is uncontracted, I don't agree that the team he chooses would have the upper hand. If Fyfe wanted to go to a Vic club - Freo would be well within their rights to sell him to the highest bidder.

Fyfe is holding out for more money. He knows he'll get more out of Freo by the end of the year than he would've gotten had he signed at the start. Simply because he gets better & better. He's a country WA boy. It'll be hard to move him.

Judd was pre-FA though and yes Judd was from Vic and Fyfe W.A.

If we got Fyfe one would expect us to let him go back to Freo when they surge again in terms of real contention and it suits Fyfe.

End of the day no club would pay near what CFC paid for Judd which was massive overs!
 

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Judd was pre-FA though and yes Judd was from Vic and Fyfe W.A.

If we got Fyfe one would expect us to let him go back to Freo when they surge again and it suits Fyfe.

End of the day no club would pay near what CFC paid for Judd which was massive overs!
Probably cost them a premiership, looking at it now. Had they had Kennedy in their forward line, they would have been a real chance.
 

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Well aware at how the AFL class contested possessions.
Now let me ask you this do you consider the following players as outside midfielders?
Ablett
Kennedy(Sydney)
Dangerfield
Ward
Priddis
J.Selwood
Libba
Boyd
Wines
Cotchin
Ablett is a freak however I'm not sure inside mid is the right term. He has had to play different at the Suns that what he did at the Cats. Even so the Suns like to set up so he is on the end of the play coming out of the congestion not necessarily stuck underneath it all. Dangerfield is the same.

Cotchin hasn't been much of anything of late however at his best a few seasons ago he was a bit of both like Ablett and Dangerfield. Those three get contested ball like old mate in question however I wouldn't just say that are inside mids.

As for Kennedy he is kind of the same but not as.gppd skills. His pack work is great and also a decent grab.

The others I would label as more inside mids than anything. They set up the chain out of the pack and are not used as much in the chain to fund space on the outside.

I will concede that calling Fyfe an outside mid might look like I consider him to be Grigg like in his approach. That is not the case. However Fremantle still work to give him space in the pack like the Suns do with Ablett and Richmond used to with Cotchin.

I don't class Fyfe as I would Libba Ward etc.
 

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Why do people keep posting about Fyfe and Danger? Will never happen. It's laughable.


Danger won't leave Crows, no chance!
Even if it is not RFC good chance Danger leaves Crows IMO.


Crows are hovering mid tier, they need a couple year rebuild minimum, if not can't see Danger and his Crows winning a premiership in their careers!

Bit like Gibbs can't win a premiership at Carlton. He might stay for the moment but eventually be surprised Gibbs doesn't do a better timed E Betts exit back premiership contender Crows or more likely Port!
 

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Probably cost them a premiership, looking at it now. Had they had Kennedy in their forward line, they would have been a real chance.
but that completely discounts the impact of taking Judd out of our midfield.

But that's a different issue. I just think you're underestimating what you would have to give to get Fyfe. But it's a bit of a non-issue considering the chances of him leaving a contending Freo for a team that isn't contending are pretty low.
 

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but that completely discounts the impact of taking Judd out of our midfield.

But that's a different issue. I just think you're underestimating what you would have to give to get Fyfe. But it's a bit of a non-issue considering the chances of him leaving a contending Freo for a team that isn't contending are pretty low.

You guys should never have traded for Judd.Far better keeping Kennedy and using your draft picks. Would be a real challenger for us now if you did!


When you got Judd it killed your premiership hopes in the interim IMO.

Could have got Omeara later or who knows what!
 

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Probably but he's not worth that though IMO. Done nothing yet.

I'd probably say no to Fyfe. If we want to have a high profile player wait a year and have a crack at Danger. Martin and Danger in the same team. :eek:
I'd take Fyfe.... only because he is my favourite non Richmond player (and higher up then a few on our list Shaun Grigg i'm looking at you) But Danger is a close 2nd favourite(But still higher then Grigg).
 

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Ablett is a freak however I'm not sure inside mid is the right term. He has had to play different at the Suns that what he did at the Cats. Even so the Suns like to set up so he is on the end of the play coming out of the congestion not necessarily stuck underneath it all. Dangerfield is the same.

Cotchin hasn't been much of anything of late however at his best a few seasons ago he was a bit of both like Ablett and Dangerfield. Those three get contested ball like old mate in question however I wouldn't just say that are inside mids.

As for Kennedy he is kind of the same but not as.gppd skills. His pack work is great and also a decent grab.

The others I would label as more inside mids than anything. They set up the chain out of the pack and are not used as much in the chain to fund space on the outside.

I will concede that calling Fyfe an outside mid might look like I consider him to be Grigg like in his approach. That is not the case. However Fremantle still work to give him space in the pack like the Suns do with Ablett and Richmond used to with Cotchin.

I don't class Fyfe as I would Libba Ward etc.
Fair call, Fyfe is not an outside midfielder he is a hybrid who is adept at winning ball inside and then using it, with great effect, on the outside.
 

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Probably but he's not worth that though IMO. Done nothing yet.

I'd probably say no to Fyfe. If we want to have a high profile player wait a year and have a crack at Danger. Martin and Danger in the same team. :eek:
Croizer is signed till 2015. Were the kids from Brisbane?? If he kicks up enough of a fuss you could get him for a pick in the 30's which would be worth it if we can acquire that somewhere else.
 
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