List Mgmt. Blair Hartley Project - 2014 - 5 list spaces confirmed

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You guys should never have traded for Judd.Far better keeping Kennedy and using your draft picks. Would be a real challenger for us now if you did!


When you got Judd it killed your premiership hopes in the interim IMO.

Could have got Omeara later or who knows what!
Blowing all our draft picks AFTER we got Judd killed our premiership hopes. But as I said, I just came to ask about what you would offer for Fyfe. The Judd trade was just an example - given a player of Fyfe's quality hasn't really been TRADED since Judd (and that's because teams generally find a way to keep their best players - FA is completely different).
 

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Fair call, Fyfe is not an outside midfielder he is a hybrid who is adept at winning ball inside and then using it, with great effect, on the outside.
Will take that as more than fair (your response that is). It was a typed response initially from me that wasn't after I read it again I could see how it was taken as.not what I meant.

Fyfe goes when it's his turn. No question. Like Cotchin or Vlaustin etc. It just in a perfect set up Fyfe is on the end of the ball not under the pack.

Also don't get me wrong. Would love him in a Richmond jumper. Just think it would be too much to think he alone comes in and all of a sudden the team is great.

Get Fyfe and a pure inside mid who can body up and create space between ball and Fyfes opponent. Then we are talking.
 
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Even if it is not RFC good chance Danger leaves Crows IMO.


Crows are hovering mid tier, they need a couple year rebuild minimum, if not can't see Danger and his Crows winning a premiership in their careers!

Bit like Gibbs can't win a premiership at Carlton. He might stay for the moment but eventually be surprised Gibbs doesn't do a better timed E Betts exit back premiership contender Crows or more likely Port!
Dangerfield is a loyal guy. I don't think he wants to leave.
 

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What makes you think a loyal player should stay?

The best think Dangerfield may be able to do for AFC is leave!


Why do some people seem to treat one footy club is a player's mother?
You don't understand. You think it's a business for the players, well it isn't.
 

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Blowing all our draft picks AFTER we got Judd killed our premiership hopes. But as I said, I just came to ask about what you would offer for Fyfe. The Judd trade was just an example - given a player of Fyfe's quality hasn't really been TRADED since Judd (and that's because teams generally find a way to keep their best players - FA is completely different).

This is part of the problem. You seem to think blowing all of your draft picks after Judd and getting Judd are mutually exclusive events:confused:

The point regarding Fyfe is trading for Fyfe and draft picks after Fyfe I acknowledge are not exclusive events IMO.

So from that perception, apart from the trade value, I wouldn't trade for Fyfe like CFC did for Judd. Getting Fyfe later via FA after using draft picks in beforehand as well as after swings the pendulum towards RFC's benefit IMO so I would do that!
 

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This is part of the problem. You seem to think blowing all of your draft picks after Judd and getting Judd are mutually exclusive events:confused:

The point regarding Fyfe is trading for Fyfe and draft picks after Fyfe I acknowledge are not exclusive events IMO.

So from that perception, apart from the trade value, I wouldn't trade for Fyfe like CFC did for Judd. Getting Fyfe later via FA after using draft picks in beforehand as well as after swings the pendulum towards RFC's benefit IMO so I would do that!
So us drafting Lucas instead of Talia is because got Judd? :confused:

I'm not here to argue about the merits of the Judd trade. I only wanted to know what a Richmond supporter was prepared to give away for one of the best players in the comp who is only 22/23.
 

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So us drafting Lucas instead of Talia is because got Judd? :confused:

I'm not here to argue about the merits of the Judd trade. I only wanted to know what a Richmond supporter was prepared to give away for one of the best players in the comp who is only 22/23.

If you drafted Lucas after the Judd trade it is because you got Judd yes. If you didn't get Judd your ladder position is different, performances different etc..., you may have picked Lucas but CFC easily could have picked another. To say Judd at CFC didn't have an effect is ludicrous given the consideration CFC offloaded for Judd!


I as a Richmond Supporter am not prepared to trade with Freo for Fyfe because of the Ball debacle at St Kilda. Plus Freo and Fyfe want each other for the next few years while they are in contention at least at the margins I respect Fyfe , I don't want to f... Freo around so I am only interested in win win scenarios for Freo, RFC and Fyfe!

In line with what I have been saying trading for Fyfe now, instead of in 2-3 years time, ignoring FA, cost RFC more and actually costs Freo because they are still in contention atm. So a trade for Fyfe this year IMO, is not a win win for many!
 
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So this thread is a List Management thread. So if you are the List Manager you need to start with whose going so we know how many spots on the list there will be (it is really sad that we are doing this in June by the way)

Going

Newman (retired)
King (retired)
A Edwards
Helbig?
O'Hanlon?
Petterd?
Elton & Griffiths are both on one year deals to the end of 2014
Matt Thomas
Chris Knights (what is his contract status)

There is the minimum three spots on the Senior list that need to be turned over

Stephenson (Rookie)
Darrou (third year on Rookie list)
Banfield (won't make it - he should be burning it up in the 2s)

Discuss.

Coming
Miles (Rookie list promotion)
Free Agent - what is the glaring need on our list - another big bodied mid / I'd throw everything at Fyfe, 5 year deal, $800k a year etc
Darrou - is he worth being promoted?
3/4 in the draft plus
 
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The question wasn't whether you would trade him now. The discussion was whether you would be happy with Tyson instead of Vlastuin in hindsight had we gone through with the initial trade. Maybe your IQ doesn't allow you that insight.
So you wouldn't trade Vlaustin, but you'd happily swap him for Tyson... Hmmmm, I think I'm in the presence of genius.:D

Oh wait..., I am! Your the guy that suggested trading Vickery and a 2nd rounder for Carlisle and a 2nd rounder! Ha ha ha.

Sum Ting very wong with you.;)

Insight! Ha ha ha.
 

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Sorry to intrude and I hope this is the right thread for this, but would you guys be interested in trading for David Armitage? He is contracted till 2016 and is a fairly important player at the Saints but I think he is a chance to be traded this year.

He is a tough inside mid (44% CP ratio last year) who was one of the best tacklers in the league last year (14th overall for tackles last year with 4th best tackle efficiency). He might not be on the same level as Fyfe but he is still a pretty good player (avg 92SC points last year) that seems to fit what you guys are after and I still think he has a bit of room for improvement.

As for cost: I think we would be after your 1st pick but we would probably throw in our 2nd because Armo probably isn't worth it on his own.
Considering our 1st pick is likely to be top 10, maybe top 5, in a strong draft, I seriously doubt we'll be looking at trading it out this year. We haven't traded a 1st round pick since 2006 (and even then, we got another in return - Jack).

I like Armitage as a player. A big body with decent skills around the packs to help out Cotchin and the younger guys would be great. I reckon in this case we'd be best off looking at potential player swaps, cause I don't think we'll be willing to part with much in the way of draft picks given the scrutiny we're already come under for our over-reliance on mature recruits.

It's no secret you guys are after a long term replacement for Riewoldt, and we might be looking to offload a tall for a mid. Any of our talls look good to you?
 

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No player can play if their coach can't coach and their fitness trainer can't train fitness. These are just names thrown around to me, nothing means anything anymore. We could have a musical boy band consisting of John Lennon, Michael Jackson, Prince, Paul McCartney, David Bowie and Elton John and we'd still **** it up.
 

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So us drafting Lucas instead of Talia is because got Judd? :confused:

I'm not here to argue about the merits of the Judd trade. I only wanted to know what a Richmond supporter was prepared to give away for one of the best players in the comp who is only 22/23.
Don't bother arguing with Magic Mushrooms here.
 

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So us drafting Lucas instead of Talia is because got Judd? :confused:

I'm not here to argue about the merits of the Judd trade. I only wanted to know what a Richmond supporter was prepared to give away for one of the best players in the comp who is only 22/23.
we dont need to trade to get fyfe we win the spoon this year and watch him walk strait to punt road via the pre season draft
 
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