Strategy Blair Hartley Project 2015 III - Linked to Treloar / Yarran / Stevie J / Kreuzer

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three games, huge sample!!

we talk about development development development, and avoiding the mistakes of the past

we would be buying what he was, not what he will be, and we will be disappointed if we go down this path

thankfully its just media speculation, so I'm more likely to be drafted by us than he is
Well he is what one of eight players in the AFL to average 20 touches and a goal a game? But by all means continue to make an ass out of yourself.

Couldn't think of too many players I would rather have teaching old tricks to the likes of Lennon, Short, Butler, Menadue and anyone who comes on board via a trade such as potentially Yarran than Johnson. Whether it be snaps or ways to lose an opponent, would imagine the players would benefit big time.

I don't necessarily want to go down this path especially if the sub rule is abolished, but for one year of what would effectively be replacing either Lloyd or Newman I could certainly live with Johnson as the option to pursue given the experience he could provide for the playing group. His biggest problem as a player at the moment is taking things too easy, which for one final push he might revert back to flashes of the old Johnson.
 

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Yes, and I'm thinking you didn't

it said we COULD get him on $200k, not that we are talking at that level, and definitely not that he is accepting that level

Chappy got a lot more to move on to the Dons, we'd be naive and stupid to think he'd come to us for charity
Can you point me to the direction where it says we COULD pick him up for $400k? Article states $200k is a possibility not $400k hence the excitement of many in here. Im pretty sure if the article suggested your amount nearly no one would be as excited.
 

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Can you point me to the direction where it says we COULD pick him for $400k? Article states $200k is a possibility not $400k hence the excitement of many in here. Im pretty sure if the article suggested your amount nearly no one would be as excited.
It is all speculation, supposition and fictitious posturing...

Not a shred of evidence except for a game of golf
 

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"I think there is every likelihood that Yarran might be on the way too because he’s probably one of the guys who puts the cream on the cake but doesn’t help build the cake.


"Matthew Kreuzer is another who has had a long run of injuries and will struggle to play at the level they require. Then at the bottom end from what I saw at the weekend, and I know some are missing, but they’ve probably got only four or five with genuine talent."


http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-26/carltons-list-one-of-the-worst-ive-seen-parkin-says
 

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Yarran will be a risker trade than Motlop IMO, his attitude is not exactly an encouraging sign and even if the "fresh environment" works for a year who's to say that he wont revert to being a sook
Can't see it because Yarran would only be got on the cheap and for a later pick.

Remember we are shaping up as possible 2016 premiership favourites possibly with the way things may shape
 

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Well he is what one of eight players in the AFL to average 20 touches and a goal a game? But by all means continue to make an ass out of yourself.

Couldn't think of too many players I would rather have teaching old tricks to the likes of Lennon, Short, Butler, Menadue and anyone who comes on board via a trade such as potentially Yarran than Johnson. Whether it be snaps or ways to lose an opponent, would imagine the players would benefit big time.

I don't necessarily want to go down this path especially if the sub rule is abolished, but for one year of what would effectively be replacing either Lloyd or Newman I could certainly live with Johnson as the option to pursue given the experience he could provide for the playing group. His biggest problem as a player at the moment is taking things too easy, which for one final push he might revert back to flashes of the old Johnson.
One thing with this SJ /Bartel option is the draft option.

I just read the age article and it made an interesting point. These guys would be better than a late draft pick. We have to use 3 draft picks even if we use our first draft picks 1st and second in trades although that can be lowered with upgraded like Lambert. If Geelong let these guys go and we can pick them up in the draft that changes things value wise because we had to use a draft pick anyway which could be late if we are trading heavily? Question is if we pick them up in the ND does it have to be for 2 years?
Bartel seems to be around 6 months younger 32 in Dec. If you could draft him for 12 months using a later pick as part of the required 3 draft pick quota requirement to complement trades we do in this draft I would think about that for sure!
 
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Its funny that Mark Robinson writes an article about stevie and mention us in the bottom of the article. Its more of a hypothetical i think but the evidence keeps stacking up.....

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he's declining, and quickly

TBH he should just retire at seasons end, he'll embarrass himself if he plays on
He's not declining quickly at all. Nearly won a game off his own boot 5 days ago.

Averaging 20.4 disposals and 1.5 goals a game, which stacks up with our very own Brett Deledio.

We have just lost a shit load of experience in Newman and Foley. He's basically be taking Newman's spot and he is a massive upgrade. Johnson has him covered in every aspect. If people are expecting prime SJ then they will be disappointed but he's not some dud like you're making out to be.
 

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If we take Stevie Johnson at 32 because of a percieved lack of quality sml/med fwds, i would suggest it very important we acknowledge the need for a quality junior sml/med fwd for the longer term.

Like you i dont have a problem addressing a need with a mature player or even a vet, i'm adamant in doing so we must also look at the long term.
Totally pointless getting Johnson for two years and not have any one in development to firstly learn from him and then take over from him.

Get Johnson and Fail to do the above, in two yrs time we would be looking at taking another vet to fill holes in the sml/med fwd area.
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Yep thats how it works. You play someone and when they retire you fill that hole.
 

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What would everyone consider to be a poor trade period? And I guess with that said what would a good trade period look like.

Personally I would have.

Horrible:
  • Yarran for first rounder, only trade.
Bad:
  • Yarran for first rounder.
  • Plus the addition of say Steve Johnson.
Good:
  • Yarran for second and third round pick.
  • Steve Johnson.
  • Keep first round pick.

Great:
  • Yarran for second and third round pick.
  • Steve Johnson.
  • Keep first round pick or this years and next years pick for a gun like Treloar or KJ.
  • Depending on the above, a big name FA.
  • End up with Aish, possibly for Griffiths.
 

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Yes, and I'm thinking you didn't

it said we COULD get him on $200k, not that we are talking at that level, and definitely not that he is accepting that level

Chappy got a lot more to move on to the Dons, we'd be naive and stupid to think he'd come to us for charity
The article points out that he's likely not to be offered another contract at Geelong and wouldn't have many suitors other than us. Doesn't give him much leverage. If we table 200k and that's all he has on offer then he may take it.
 

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Stylonett: 40479952 said:
The article points out that he's likely not to be offered another contract at Geelong and wouldn't have many suitors other than us. Doesn't give him much leverage. If we table 200k and that's all he has on offer then he may take it.
Would we be better off drafting him than trading him though to save a wasted later draft pick selection?

That way SJ costs us 200k less the draft pick selection cost avoided that was likely sunk cost anyway. Maybe he costs us less and we pay him for a coaching role. Not sure how that worked with GWS and guys like Cornes finishing up there
 
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What would everyone consider to be a poor trade period? And I guess with that said what would a good trade period look like.

Personally I would have.

Horrible:
  • Yarran for first rounder, only trade.
Bad:
  • Yarran for first rounder.
  • Plus the addition of say Steve Johnson.
Good:
  • Yarran for second and third round pick.
  • Steve Johnson.
  • Keep first round pick.

Great:
  • Yarran for second and third round pick.
  • Steve Johnson.
  • Keep first round pick or this years and next years pick for a gun like Treloar or KJ.
  • Depending on the above, a big name FA.
  • End up with Aish, possibly for Griffiths.
Who is KJ?
 
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He's not declining quickly at all. Nearly won a game off his own boot 5 days ago.

Averaging 20.4 disposals and 1.5 goals a game, which stacks up with our very own Brett Deledio.

We have just lost a shit load of experience in Newman and Foley. He's basically be taking Newman's spot and he is a massive upgrade. Johnson has him covered in every aspect. If people are expecting prime SJ then they will be disappointed but he's not some dud like you're making out to be.
Which is why you get him cheap and then drop him in the forward pocket.
I'd love to see it but I'll be shocked if I see him in anything other than hoops.
 

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Well he is what one of eight players in the AFL to average 20 touches and a goal a game? But by all means continue to make an ass out of yourself.

Couldn't think of too many players I would rather have teaching old tricks to the likes of Lennon, Short, Butler, Menadue and anyone who comes on board via a trade such as potentially Yarran than Johnson. Whether it be snaps or ways to lose an opponent, would imagine the players would benefit big time.

I don't necessarily want to go down this path especially if the sub rule is abolished, but for one year of what would effectively be replacing either Lloyd or Newman I could certainly live with Johnson as the option to pursue given the experience he could provide for the playing group. His biggest problem as a player at the moment is taking things too easy, which for one final push he might revert back to flashes of the old Johnson.
The sub rule will be gone, and if you want him as a coach, hire him as a coach
 

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Can you point me to the direction where it says we COULD pick him up for $400k? Article states $200k is a possibility not $400k hence the excitement of many in here. Im pretty sure if the article suggested your amount nearly no one would be as excited.
Players rarely go to based

He's on a good wicket now, he'll take a hair cut but not that big

Some one stupid like norf would top $200k anyway, so it's irrelevant

All of this is academic, our club has shown no interest in him, and he doesn't want to leave Geelong. This is just his manager trying to pressure the cats to sign
 

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He's not declining quickly at all. Nearly won a game off his own boot 5 days ago.

Averaging 20.4 disposals and 1.5 goals a game, which stacks up with our very own Brett Deledio.

We have just lost a shit load of experience in Newman and Foley. He's basically be taking Newman's spot and he is a massive upgrade. Johnson has him covered in every aspect. If people are expecting prime SJ then they will be disappointed but he's not some dud like you're making out to be.
People are expecting the mercurial SJ of old. And apparently an onfield super coach now too

These arrangements rarely succeed for players of his ilk. Their game is built on speed and reaction time, and this will only worsen given his age

I can't believe after years of shitcanning these type of trades, you are now cheerleading this one
 
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