spider, peckett, charles and now aussie. the 'player is bigger than the club' mentality that has haunted our club for years is now being erased? blight is showing a firm yet fair hand. he is sending a message ever so subtly to all the players that they must conform to a code of conduct on and off the field. this is going to help in the establishment of our youngsters in what it takes to be an elite sportsman whilst giving a kick in the arse to the established players who think the team revolves around them. blight will shake this club to the core and get rid of the dead wood. so far everything he has done has been strong and positive. forget hamill and gehrig as the buys of the off season already it is clear that whatever we are paying blight is money well spent.
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its about time i wish this happened at my other teams...give them a good kick up the arse coz some blokes would kill to have the spot that some of these guys who dont use thier talent have!
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Blighty's pay isn't included in the salary cap either.
Off the field - didn't Rod Butterrs work in the IT industry?
It would be good if we could enhance that side of things to:
...1..Spread the message.
...2..Maybe draw in a few extra bucks.
cheers
Agree
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Blighty's pay isn't included in the salary cap either.
Off the field - didn't Rod Butterrs work in the IT industry?
It would be good if we could enhance that side of things to:
...1..Spread the message.
...2..Maybe draw in a few extra bucks.
cheers
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Without question Blight is the biggest recruit we have. He has the credentials behind him to make even Spider take notice. I don't think Watson or Alves had the credibility to make these guys toe the line. The stand he took in Adelaide with McDermott, Jarman and McGuiness was brave and ultimately extremely successful, and I'm sure the Saints players know this.
I believe Butters made his money in IT recruitment, not specifically IT itself.
I believe Butters made his money in IT recruitment, not specifically IT itself.
I think maybe Alves had a similar attitude at StKilda except he was not given the backing by administration. He obviously had some problems with the players and was not given the latitude to deal with them. I think the appointment of malcom is a way of saying that StKilda made a mistake when alves was sacked and this is a type of atonement.
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Yes, at this stage he is doing the right thing. No argument.
However, if he gets too many players offside, it can go in one of two different ways.
Either they will hate him so much that the revolt against him like the Bulldogs did to Allan Joyce. Or, They will grow to hate him so much that the players will play out of spite like the Tigers did in the 70s under Tom Hafey. That you have to hope for.
No doubt StKilda getting Blight was the best thing that could have happened to the club, he is undoubtedly the best coach in he league, yes better than Sheedy, Malthouse, Matthews and the young guns of Thompson, Frawley and Schwab. He has proven himself by taking 2 underachieving teams to 5 Grand Finals in only 9 years of coaching, winning 2 Premierships at Adelaide, and probably should have won at least 2 at Geelong, no debate. The Geelong players let him down, not he let the players down.
Expect affter an early loss in the season - if it should occur - that he will single out a certain player, who will then go on to become All Australian. No doubt that is the reasoning behind speaking one-to-one with Aussie, Spider and Peckett, he is finding out who can handle the pressure that he will put them under. Favourite at this stage would have to be Spider. I don't think Peckett has the profile and Aussie certainly hasn't got the temprement to handle another media bagging.
Blight is a top motivator who WILL eventually clean out the deadwood at Moorrabbin, provided he is kept on for at least 3 years. The players aren't sacred, they are the problem, and Blight will work them out, don't you worry. Don't expect miracles early, but expect to come home with a rush.
Good Luck Saints.
Yes, at this stage he is doing the right thing. No argument.
However, if he gets too many players offside, it can go in one of two different ways.
Either they will hate him so much that the revolt against him like the Bulldogs did to Allan Joyce. Or, They will grow to hate him so much that the players will play out of spite like the Tigers did in the 70s under Tom Hafey. That you have to hope for.
No doubt StKilda getting Blight was the best thing that could have happened to the club, he is undoubtedly the best coach in he league, yes better than Sheedy, Malthouse, Matthews and the young guns of Thompson, Frawley and Schwab. He has proven himself by taking 2 underachieving teams to 5 Grand Finals in only 9 years of coaching, winning 2 Premierships at Adelaide, and probably should have won at least 2 at Geelong, no debate. The Geelong players let him down, not he let the players down.
Expect affter an early loss in the season - if it should occur - that he will single out a certain player, who will then go on to become All Australian. No doubt that is the reasoning behind speaking one-to-one with Aussie, Spider and Peckett, he is finding out who can handle the pressure that he will put them under. Favourite at this stage would have to be Spider. I don't think Peckett has the profile and Aussie certainly hasn't got the temprement to handle another media bagging.
Blight is a top motivator who WILL eventually clean out the deadwood at Moorrabbin, provided he is kept on for at least 3 years. The players aren't sacred, they are the problem, and Blight will work them out, don't you worry. Don't expect miracles early, but expect to come home with a rush.
Good Luck Saints.
Go Cats Go, that was downright decent of you.
I'll shout you a bourbon & coke next time for that!
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I'll shout you a bourbon & coke next time for that!
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I fully agree with all that has been said.
Just a cautionary note though - I would hope that the Blight ego doesn't grow to the point where even the President and the Board are in fear of him.
If it was the old administration - fair enough, but the new board is ultimately responsible for whatever happens and even our new messiah needs to realise he is an employee of the club, although a very powerful and influentional one.
Just a cautionary note though - I would hope that the Blight ego doesn't grow to the point where even the President and the Board are in fear of him.
If it was the old administration - fair enough, but the new board is ultimately responsible for whatever happens and even our new messiah needs to realise he is an employee of the club, although a very powerful and influentional one.
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GoCatsGo - its intertesting you should talk about Hafey at Richmond in the 1970's. I think it was exactly the same situation at North Melbourne with Ron Barassi.
The players hated him and I think the feeling was neutral really, it created a volatile mix and clash of personalities that in turn produced sweet success for a club that had never tasted it before.
And of course we all know who one of the main players was at Arden Street in those days - Malcolm Blight.
cheers
GoCatsGo - its intertesting you should talk about Hafey at Richmond in the 1970's. I think it was exactly the same situation at North Melbourne with Ron Barassi.
The players hated him and I think the feeling was neutral really, it created a volatile mix and clash of personalities that in turn produced sweet success for a club that had never tasted it before.
And of course we all know who one of the main players was at Arden Street in those days - Malcolm Blight.
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bsa, stanley alves was also involved in the north premiership side coached by ron barassi and his coaching style was very similar to the great man. in 97 it was widely known that alves was disliked by the players and they played in spite of him not for him. the board at the time sacked alves on the advise of the players (reportedly) which turned out to be a monumental mistake.
it seems that blight has the full backing of the new board which he needs if he is going to turn us around. his meglamaniacal attitude of 'do it my way or no way' will only work if he is given full control.
it seems that blight has the full backing of the new board which he needs if he is going to turn us around. his meglamaniacal attitude of 'do it my way or no way' will only work if he is given full control.
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You guys better enjoy him while you have him. No doubt in a couple of years he'll be feeling burnt out and will quit your club, leaving the Saints in disarray. Then you'll find a bad coach, have a few bad seasons, your top ruckman will leave the club, have no forward line......now I'm just rambling.
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ant, wish i could ramble and grumble about back to back flags. maybe in a couple of years.
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Lots of good messages.
Firstly STL, it is about time that something has been done to eradicate a problem that has plagued our club for many a year. I agree exactly with what you said. Simply sacking the players in question would have meant the loss of some players who have a lot to offer our club. Through his three strikes and out policy, each player has a chance to redeem themselves, whether through improving their fitness like Charles or improving their behaviour like Spider. You've put it excellently, a firm but fair hand. I tend to think that the money we are paying Blighty is chicken feed compared to the trouble we may have been in if none of these tough decisions were made.
At the moment we have a new administration that seem intent on resurrecting our club. Andrew Plympton/Don Hanly and some of the previous board members deserve a lot of credit. They took us from a team on the verge of extinction before the SOS campaign and took us to a Grand Final. The finances are well in order and provided that our supporters can support the club financially (through memeberships, merchandise, etc), we will be a force in a future. Having said that, I think the new blood of Butterss, Watts and Thomas are less conservative and prepared to take risks. Risks that are necessary for us to consolidate our off-field and provide the environment fit for Blighty to take us as far as possible.
Good point Fred, I suppose everyone needs to realise that for our club to move forward, no individual is bigger than the club. We may have sufferred from this in the past because saints players have won 10 Brownlow Medals and we have had some brilliant players over the years that will be showcased in our Team of the Century in a months time, yet our success rate is shocking. At the moment, it looks like they are all working towards a common goal and that is making our club a consistent league power.
Thanks a lot gocatsgo, we probably should take note of most of what you have said. Although towards the end of your post you said Blight will clear the deadwood provided he is kept on for 3 years. He only wanted to sign a 2 year deal. Rod Butterss and Grant Thomas would have loved nothing more for him to sign for 3 years. Still, I certainly won't be ungreatful towards him if he leaves the club after winning a premiership. The way some of the Crows supporters complain astounds me. If we ever won a flag, I reckon I would live off it for the next 10 years.
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Firstly STL, it is about time that something has been done to eradicate a problem that has plagued our club for many a year. I agree exactly with what you said. Simply sacking the players in question would have meant the loss of some players who have a lot to offer our club. Through his three strikes and out policy, each player has a chance to redeem themselves, whether through improving their fitness like Charles or improving their behaviour like Spider. You've put it excellently, a firm but fair hand. I tend to think that the money we are paying Blighty is chicken feed compared to the trouble we may have been in if none of these tough decisions were made.
At the moment we have a new administration that seem intent on resurrecting our club. Andrew Plympton/Don Hanly and some of the previous board members deserve a lot of credit. They took us from a team on the verge of extinction before the SOS campaign and took us to a Grand Final. The finances are well in order and provided that our supporters can support the club financially (through memeberships, merchandise, etc), we will be a force in a future. Having said that, I think the new blood of Butterss, Watts and Thomas are less conservative and prepared to take risks. Risks that are necessary for us to consolidate our off-field and provide the environment fit for Blighty to take us as far as possible.
Good point Fred, I suppose everyone needs to realise that for our club to move forward, no individual is bigger than the club. We may have sufferred from this in the past because saints players have won 10 Brownlow Medals and we have had some brilliant players over the years that will be showcased in our Team of the Century in a months time, yet our success rate is shocking. At the moment, it looks like they are all working towards a common goal and that is making our club a consistent league power.
Thanks a lot gocatsgo, we probably should take note of most of what you have said. Although towards the end of your post you said Blight will clear the deadwood provided he is kept on for 3 years. He only wanted to sign a 2 year deal. Rod Butterss and Grant Thomas would have loved nothing more for him to sign for 3 years. Still, I certainly won't be ungreatful towards him if he leaves the club after winning a premiership. The way some of the Crows supporters complain astounds me. If we ever won a flag, I reckon I would live off it for the next 10 years.
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People, I'm not complaining about winning two premierships, it just annoys me that he said he was burnout etc. then one year comes back and coaches St. Kilda. I kinda felt betrayed you know, he was coaching us one day, then all of a sudden said he didn't feel like it anymore and quit. Blight said he probably wouldn't coach again, saying he was tired and it was taking it out of him, then after just one year comes back to coach the Saints, leaving us with Gary Ayres. I don't expect you guys to understand but just wait til he does it to you, except WITHOUT winning the premierships first.
Cheers guys.
Cheers guys.
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one could of course argue that living off a flag for 10 (read 34) years is part of the problem, particularly at generally unsuccessful clubs.
Even worse is living off a "nearly flag"...such as the saints in '98 - '00 or Richmond since '95.
ptw
one could of course argue that living off a flag for 10 (read 34) years is part of the problem, particularly at generally unsuccessful clubs.
Even worse is living off a "nearly flag"...such as the saints in '98 - '00 or Richmond since '95.
ptw
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ptw,
I was exaggerating about living off a flag for years. Personally, I don't think any of our supporters live off the 1966 Grand Final win. Yet it will always remain an enormous sense of pride for all of us and that doesn't deserve to be mixed up with not looking towards the future.
I still think that while Blighty's decision to leave the crows quite rightly depressed and even angered many Adelaide supporters, the grudges that are being held against someone who bought their team 2 consecutive Grand Finals is a little strange.
I have never seen us win a Grand Final but if I ever did, the coach of that team will always have a special place in my heart and I could not forsee myself hating him for leaving the club a year later. Again, just my individual view.
As for your comments about nearly winning a flag, I agree. My pet hate amongst St Kilda supporters is the amount of people that insist on wearing 1997 Grand Final merchandise. We lost! I still think referring to our 'near win' in 97 is not a bad thing. We had a great year and it almost ended in triumph. We have copped our many wooden spoons on the chin so I think we deserve to be able to refer to some of our better seasons in the clubs history (Even if it wasn't a premiership).
Although being a supporter from a phenomenally successful side like yourself, you and I will probably always struggle to understand the respective cultures of each others clubs. I think you make a lot of sense though.
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I was exaggerating about living off a flag for years. Personally, I don't think any of our supporters live off the 1966 Grand Final win. Yet it will always remain an enormous sense of pride for all of us and that doesn't deserve to be mixed up with not looking towards the future.
I still think that while Blighty's decision to leave the crows quite rightly depressed and even angered many Adelaide supporters, the grudges that are being held against someone who bought their team 2 consecutive Grand Finals is a little strange.
I have never seen us win a Grand Final but if I ever did, the coach of that team will always have a special place in my heart and I could not forsee myself hating him for leaving the club a year later. Again, just my individual view.
As for your comments about nearly winning a flag, I agree. My pet hate amongst St Kilda supporters is the amount of people that insist on wearing 1997 Grand Final merchandise. We lost! I still think referring to our 'near win' in 97 is not a bad thing. We had a great year and it almost ended in triumph. We have copped our many wooden spoons on the chin so I think we deserve to be able to refer to some of our better seasons in the clubs history (Even if it wasn't a premiership).
Although being a supporter from a phenomenally successful side like yourself, you and I will probably always struggle to understand the respective cultures of each others clubs. I think you make a lot of sense though.
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Sainter, Blighty does hold a special place in my heart and I don't hate him. While I don't hate him, I don't like him either. I just can't understand how you can coach one club to two premierships, feel burntout, then return to coach a rival club just one year later. Blighty was more than just a coach, he was a homegrown legend, he'd achieved all there was to do in footy, except win a flag as coach and he came to Adelaide to fulfill that dream. He was our Messiah (though I don't like to call him that) and we loved him. Then off he goes in the middle of a contract, quits, and comes back within 12 months to coach the Saints. Sainter, you honestly wouldn't feel a little dislike towards a coach if they did that at St. Kilda?? Has the dearth of premierships done something to you???
I also believe while he was instrumental in our flag wins, Adelaide also was good for him, we (the team) helped him win those flags so it's not like he came, gave them to us and we should be eternally grateful.
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I understand what you are saying Ant and you make a lot of sense.
He probably did feel burntout and needed to recharge his batteries. The South Australian football public are known to be very parochial, particularly in only a two team town, and perhaps after winning two flags he felt like he has achieved everything he wanted and needed a rest.
I don't think he ever had the intention of returning to coaching as quickly as he did. You mentioned that he had achieved everything there was in footy by returning to Adelaide and coaching the crows to the flag, but I would say that coaching a perennial underachieving side to the Grand Final is easily the most challening role in football. One of the most striking statements he has made since beginning his new role is how pleased he is to coach one of the traditional clubs of the VFL/AFL. A team that doesn't boast the facilities of an Adelaide or even Geelong, and doesn't have that winning culture. Blighty is driven by challenges.
This is the ultimate challenge!
Malcolm Blight didn't desert Adelaide to coach another team. He didn't have the intention of returning to coaching so soon. Fortunately (in our case), Rod Butterss, Grant Thomas and Brian Waldron just set their sights on what seemed to be an impossible task and refused to give up. The players visit to his Gold Coast home helped him get that fire in the belly to coach again.
It may sound stupid to you, but I honestly would not hold any sort of a grudge against him if he left us immediately after coaching the saints to the flag. You have already achieved your success. We have won 1 premiership since 1897. This is a huge opportunity for us. However I definitely understand what you are saying and you are probably right. This is jusy my strange view.
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He probably did feel burntout and needed to recharge his batteries. The South Australian football public are known to be very parochial, particularly in only a two team town, and perhaps after winning two flags he felt like he has achieved everything he wanted and needed a rest.
I don't think he ever had the intention of returning to coaching as quickly as he did. You mentioned that he had achieved everything there was in footy by returning to Adelaide and coaching the crows to the flag, but I would say that coaching a perennial underachieving side to the Grand Final is easily the most challening role in football. One of the most striking statements he has made since beginning his new role is how pleased he is to coach one of the traditional clubs of the VFL/AFL. A team that doesn't boast the facilities of an Adelaide or even Geelong, and doesn't have that winning culture. Blighty is driven by challenges.
This is the ultimate challenge!
Malcolm Blight didn't desert Adelaide to coach another team. He didn't have the intention of returning to coaching so soon. Fortunately (in our case), Rod Butterss, Grant Thomas and Brian Waldron just set their sights on what seemed to be an impossible task and refused to give up. The players visit to his Gold Coast home helped him get that fire in the belly to coach again.
It may sound stupid to you, but I honestly would not hold any sort of a grudge against him if he left us immediately after coaching the saints to the flag. You have already achieved your success. We have won 1 premiership since 1897. This is a huge opportunity for us. However I definitely understand what you are saying and you are probably right. This is jusy my strange view.
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