Bluemour Discussion Thread III

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Soapy V

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I look at it this way. If in the next 2-3 years if Ed can't make the side or even our list, everything is going very well. As of this current moment he is best 22 and there are at least 10 players that I would delist before him.

As for he wouldn't get into a better side. How do we know? He may step up and enjoy the structure and support. Hard to be critical of guys like Curnow Murphy Simpson etc when they put in every week in what has been a crap side. Hard to play good football with limited talent around you
 

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I try not to, but it just irks me to see people argue that we should repeat the mistakes of the past to somehow get ourselves out of this mess.

Fortunately the club is on point, and clear in its message. Green shoots. The Journey. Depth all over the ground. Age profile. Dont expect anything soon. Working on consistency. Embrace the draft. and so forth.
Spot on Mal.
Keep building through the draft and be patient.
This year is going to be another difficult year, but we all can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
As good a player Fyfe is, i'd much rather we go after someone like Hopper who will be cheaper and won't cost us as much picks wise.
 

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**** me dead.

Do people genuinely think someone like Ed Curnow doesn't deserve to be on an AFL list?

Seriously?

How bloody delusional are you?

Go through each and every club and have a look at their playing list. Hell, take a look at their Best 22. I guarantee that you will find a worse player than Ed in every single damn team in the comp - in fact, you'll probably find half a dozen at least. We've had this discussion before, and I've said the same thing before - you can't build a team with 40 superstar players. You're lucky if you can get one or two on each line, which means the rest of the list are role players, developing players, and depth options.

You develop a list by turning your role players into depth players, who can then help develop the developing players. Ed Curnow is best 22 for us, and when others go past him he will end up a 30+ year old in our VFL side, providing reliable injury coverage for the seniors and helping to mould the next batch of youngsters that come through. He won't complain, he won't throw a tantrum if we don't offer him a massive contract, he'll put his head down and do the job the team and club require of him - and if he can foster that attitude in even one quality young kid before he retires, we should be ******* grateful to have had such a selfless player wear the Navy Blue.

Anyone who thinks otherwise can seriously GAGF, because heaping shit on Ed Curnow shows a complete lack of respect for one of our most respected players.
 
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Judd was the best thing to happen to Carlton in the last 15 years.

Judd taught Murph how to be a leader, Judd removed in large part the club's toxic culture, Judd lifted standards on and off the field. Not to mention Judd was a pretty handy footballer.

Judd.
I like your arguments.

Especially the last one :D
 
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Not sure why people bring up the bulldogs as evidence of a 2-year rebuild/turnaround when discussing our rebuild. Totally different situations - they already had heaps of young talent on their list but the club seemed to be dysfunctional due to infighting between coaching staff and senior players.

What it took was someone to come in and unite the club, empower the kids who already had talent & a couple of years development under their belts and introduce better systems and game plan.

When Bolts came to us the list was (and still is to a much lesser extent) a complete shambles.

It's taken St. Kilda 3 years of not making finals 2014, 2015, 2016 under Richardson and finally they will be pushing for top 8 this year. And imho we are coming from further back than they were. I think 2021 is realistic.

As others have stated, people that are impatient and want this to happen sooner by taking the cheap way out again will find us right back at square one. I don't know about you guys, but I'd much rather take an extra year or two and get it right than find ourselves starting at another 5-year rebuild in 2022. That would be just plain depressing. Or worse - get ourselves into Footy Hell - that place of mediocrity between 5th - 12th every single year with no end in sight like Richmond.
Just for the record your honour. could the plaintiff please define what a "much lesser extent" of a "complete shambles" is?
 

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Yeah. They loaded up on Free agents once they were in a position to be challenging. Like all clubs (Hawks etc) do. They'll do it again next year.

We aren't challenging. We're 3-4 years away from that. We can start looking at free agents in 2019ish onwards. At present they are not needed.



I'm not being pessimistic. I'm just telling you what direction the club is heading in. We are not planning on finals any time soon. We are hitting the draft hard and increasing depth over the ground. We are bringing in players in a certain age bracket (it'll be 24 and under this year) into the club. We are on a 'Journey'. Its not about wins and losses its about Green shoots. We're setting ourself up for a tilt post 2020 and then sustained success from then on. And so on.

And I'm not putting you down. I just don't agree with you and am explaining why. Chill out.

I would be disappointed if BB felt that we are not planning finals any time soon. By that I assume that means not this year (yeah fair enough) or next (not fair enough. overly pessimistic and impossible to say)
 

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He also said that we're a club in a hurry. ;)

All due respect, but you're guessing mate.
It's all so matter of fact with you when it's clearly not so.
Anything can happen.
Kids win flags too.

Your opinion is your opinion. not gospel.
I agree, too much has been extrapolated from the recent Hawthorn dominance and how they did it. Firstly the hawks were dominant in the expansionist years where too much talent fell into clubs who couldnt use their talent to challenge the hawks, and also the early days of free agency was not the monster it is now. FA has the abilty to accelerate the improvement of clubs . Even the hawks did it early, last year was the bulldogs
 

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**** me dead.

Do people genuinely think someone like Ed Curnow doesn't deserve to be on an AFL list?

Seriously?

How bloody delusional are you?

Go through each and every club and have a look at their playing list. Hell, take a look at their Best 22. I guarantee that you will find a worse player than Ed in every single damn team in the comp - in fact, you'll probably find half a dozen at least. We've had this discussion before, and I've said the same thing before - you can't build a team with 40 superstar players. You're lucky if you can get one or two on each line, which means the rest of the list are role players, developing players, and depth options.

You develop a list by turning your role players into depth players, who can then help develop the developing players. Ed Curnow is best 22 for us, and when others go past him he will end up a 30+ year old in our VFL side, providing reliable injury coverage for the seniors and helping to mould the next batch of youngsters that come through. He won't complain, he won't throw a tantrum if we don't offer him a massive contract, he'll put his head down and do the job the team and club require of him - and if he can foster that attitude in even one quality young kid before he retires, we should be ******* grateful to have had such a selfless player wear the Navy Blue.

Anyone who thinks otherwise can seriously GAGF, because heaping shit on Ed Curnow shows a complete lack of respect for one of our most respected players.
I don't have a problem with Ed being in the blues team at the moment. I have a problem with having too many fringe players in the team at once, taking away position's from young kids. Saying that there is a few players that should go before Ed.

Also you can't honestly say Ed Curnow would be on every other AFL list. If he was a delisted free agent, I'm not sure if any other club would pick him up do to age and ability.
 

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Also you can't honestly say Ed Curnow would be on every other AFL list. If he was a delisted free agent, I'm not sure if any other club would pick him up do to age and ability.
Actually you can.

Some of our supporters appear to be more out of touch with the modern game than those who were running the club pre-2016.

Midfielders like Ed are a valuable commodity. Strong over the ball, runs both ways, tackles well and often, regularly shuts out the opposition's best mids, provides a valuable link in the midfield chain offensively and actually uses the ball far better than people will ever acknowledge. On top of that he's of good character and respected around the club.

Curnow would not only be on every other list, he would at minimum be in the conversation to be picked each week for every other team, because players with this skill-set don't grow on trees. He is an EFFECTIVE footballer, and coaches love that.

I find it quite astonishing that Curnow is even up for scrutiny, given how many other on-field issues we are currently faced with.
 
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I would be disappointed if BB felt that we are not planning finals any time soon. By that I assume that means not this year (yeah fair enough) or next (not fair enough. overly pessimistic and impossible to say)
We're equal favorites for the spoon this year mate.

That wont change dramatically next year or the year after (although we should be starting to see improvement as the kids drafted in 15-17 start to mature).

I stick by 2020 as the year we're pushing back into the eight.
 

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We're equal favorites for the spoon this year mate.

That wont change dramatically next year or the year after (although we should be starting to see improvement as the kids drafted in 15-17 start to mature).

I stick by 2020 as the year we're pushing back into the eight.
Cast your mind back to 12 months ago. I believe we were favorites then as well.
 
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