Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread - The sequel - I know what SOS did last Sumner

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I'd suggest there is a lot more pressure with disposal pressure playing as a backman/back pocket player, i mean lets be honest here, a turnover by a defender is far more costly than a turnover from a midfield.
It is more about time than pressure. All inside mids have lower disposal percentages. Contested possessions and first possessions is a good indicator of lower disposal percentage.
 

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I'd suggest Mitchell has been offered a modest contract like the one we offered Zach. So if we're not prepared to overpay on Zach, on what basis would we get into a bidding war for Tom, albeit he plays in the midfield...

too old, too slow, too expensive. Hit the draft.
Too old and too slow at tad harsh is it not? I think, Titch is a good on baller smart playmaker and tireless worker, pending which team you place him in he'll may be a very good footballer and excel.
He'd walk into our midfield and make it so much more competitive.
If the price were to be reasonable I'd jump at the opportunity.
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Surely age doens't come into the equation for not trading for Mitchell, is 23 the new 50 or something ??
Based on what we'd be giving up for him, yes absolutely.

If he's worth a top 20 pick then you've immediately shortened the lifespan of that pick by 5 1/2 years over taking a kid born in November 1998.

If Sydney want Tuohy, I'd be packaging up later pick(s) for their first.
 

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It is more about time than pressure. All inside mids have lower disposal percentages. Contested possessions and first possessions is a good indicator of lower disposal percentage.
Correct, all inside mids usually have their disposals heavily pressured because they are nearly always getting the ball out of congested situations, this is why the disposal efficiency goes down a bit, need to factor in clearances and metres gained also.
 

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Titch is a good on baller smart playmaker and tireless worker, pending which team you place him in he'll may be a very good footballer and excel.
He'd walk into our midfield and make it so much more competitive.
If the price were to be reasonable
Certainly an upgrade on Nick Graham but a pre-injury Brock McLean isn't the player I'd be seeking.

If there's an 18yo Scott Camporeale available late in the first round, that's the sort I'd target with Sydney's first pick.
 

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If the HUN report today re GWS and their push to trade for pick 1/McGrath is accurate, it seems like they may up the ante for our pick 5 to somehow be included in the Marchbank deal.

What would SOS be willing to accept to part with pick 5? We say its not on the table but I'm sure SOS can be persuaded for the right deal.

I'm not keen on parting with pick 5 but if GWS are desperate for pick 1 and need our pick 5 to make it happen, they may be willing to offer overs for it.

Is a KJ/Whiley style deal enough? - say pick 5 for Marchbank, another player & pick 17. Would we do that?
 

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If the HUN report today re GWS and their push to trade for pick 1/McGrath is accurate, it seems like they may up the ante for our pick 5 to somehow be included in the Marchbank deal.

What would SOS be willing to accept to part with pick 5? We say its not on the table but I'm sure SOS can be persuaded for the right deal.

I'm not keen on parting with pick 5 but if GWS are desperate for pick 1 and need our pick 5 to make it happen, they may be willing to offer overs for it.

Is a KJ/Whiley style deal enough? - say pick 5 for Marchbank, another player & pick 17. Would we do that?
If it turns out like the KJ/Whiley deal looks to be turning out, SOS would have his nuts removed.
 

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The feeling I have been getting from the rumours on Tom Mitchell is that we are no longer keen on him. We were linked to him heavily a few years ago and then he turned around and re-signed with Sydney. We were linked to him heavily and then turns out he is using us to push his price up but going to the Hawks. Now if the latest is true and Hawks cant fit him in all a sudden hes keen again. There is nothing I like about the situation involving Tom Mitchell. If we sign him up and he is just going to hold us to ransom when that contract ends to keep him at the club. Seems like a gun for hire. Especially when we seem to be low balling Tuohy, to go and spent the money on Mitchell wouldnt be right. Dont want.
 

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If the HUN report today re GWS and their push to trade for pick 1/McGrath is accurate, it seems like they may up the ante for our pick 5 to somehow be included in the Marchbank deal.

What would SOS be willing to accept to part with pick 5? We say its not on the table but I'm sure SOS can be persuaded for the right deal.

I'm not keen on parting with pick 5 but if GWS are desperate for pick 1 and need our pick 5 to make it happen, they may be willing to offer overs for it.

Is a KJ/Whiley style deal enough? - say pick 5 for Marchbank, another player & pick 17. Would we do that?
If it's that important to them, I'd be demanding a hell of a lot more.

5 + 23
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Marchbank, Steele, Tomlinson, Pickett, Stewart + 15

Allows them to send 5 + 7 (and probably a player) to Essendon for pick 1.

We get:
Key defender, mid, tall utility - all best 22.
Mid/fwd - best 22 if he can overcome injury.
Key forward - young depth.
Pick 15 to target a slider (Marshall, English, Scrimshaw, Taranto, Venables etc.)

Then if we end up offloading Tuohy for a late first we use that to balance out the pick 15 selection (ideally want a mid and a forward from the two picks).
 
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If the HUN report today re GWS and their push to trade for pick 1/McGrath is accurate, it seems like they may up the ante for our pick 5 to somehow be included in the Marchbank deal.

What would SOS be willing to accept to part with pick 5? We say its not on the table but I'm sure SOS can be persuaded for the right deal.

I'm not keen on parting with pick 5 but if GWS are desperate for pick 1 and need our pick 5 to make it happen, they may be willing to offer overs for it.

Is a KJ/Whiley style deal enough? - say pick 5 for Marchbank, another player & pick 17. Would we do that?
In: Marchbank, Steele, Stewart, Pickett & pick 17.
Out: pick 5, next years 2nd.
 

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I'd suggest Mitchell has been offered a modest contract like the one we offered Zach. So if we're not prepared to overpay on Zach, on what basis would we get into a bidding war for Tom, albeit he plays in the midfield...

too old, too slow, too expensive. Hit the draft.
Too old? Isnt he only 23?
 

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I would not be giving up pick #5 for any trade involving Marchbank/GWS unless pick #8 was coming back, and we got se better scraps.

A deal of
OUT: #5, #2017 2nd (Worth more than our 2016 2nd to them)
IN: #8, Marchbank, Pickett/Ahern/Corr and McKenna

Or

OUT: #5, 2017 2nd, 2017 3rd (both worth more to them than our 2016 2nd and 3rd's)
IN: #8, Marchbank, Steele

But i really want to keep pick #5, honestly. 2017 2nd for Marchbank.


Or if they need a higher first to get pick #1 off Ess, trade our 2017 1st. 2017 1st for Pick #8 and Marchbank, or 2017 1st for 2016 GWS 1st (#16ish) and 2017 Geel 1st (#18ish) and Marchbank.


Option
A: #8, Marchbank, (injured talent), McKenna, #23, #40, 2016 WBD 3rd, Carl 2017 1st, Carl 2017 3rd.
B: #8, Marchank, Steele, #23, #40, WBD 2016 3rd, Carl 2017 1st
C: #5, #23, #40, WBD 2016 3rd, Carl 2017 1st & 3rd, Marchbank
D: #5, #8, #23, #40, Marchbank, WBD 2016 3rd, Carl 2017 2nd & 3rd
E: #5, #16, #18, #23, #40, WBD 3rd, Marchbank, Carl 2017 2nd & 3rd.

Which option is best?

Personal preference would be; D, E, C, B, A

We might snag a player like McKenna in every scenario as well



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In cat years, that's practically 113.

In a rebuild I'd be bringing in as many kids via top 20 draft picks as possible and not players 2/5 of the way through their career seeking only a paycheck.
From what I've heard about this draft, that would be the wrong move. Sounds like it's pretty ordinary past the top 10. At least Mitchell is a proven AFL player.

Not that I'm super keen on Mitchell, but I do rate him as a player.
 
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