Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread - The sequel - I know what SOS did last Sumner

[The Toad]

OK lets just change the subject for while. I have a question, is McBean from Shitmond worth a punt on?

 

[PP34]

OK lets just change the subject for while. I have a question, is McBean from Shitmond worth a punt on?

He got turfed by Richmond. Definitely not worth a punt.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

OK lets just change the subject for while. I have a question, is McBean from Shitmond worth a punt on?

If he's a former first round pick with a long term injury..........then hell yeah.

 

[MitchRobinson12]

The same people who were telling people to stop talking about Gibbs because it "isn't going to happen" are the same ones melting right now like its the end of the world.

We need to turn over this list and out of all our senior keepers these 2 are the first that should go and we will get some great things coming back our way to assist our rebuild. Tuohy won't get a game in our backline as we want to develop Byrne, Plowman, Marchbank, Docherty and Weitering back there we don't need him.

Gibbs is the last player I want our young midfielders to look up to and learn off and if we can get the equivalent of 2 first rounders for a 28 year old combined with the fact we are in a rebuild we take it and run. Enough of this doom and gloom its stupid we aren't going to get reamed on these trades and we need to bring in more young talent.

 

[KohPhi]

I'm saying that SOS wouldn't have low-balled Tuohy's contract if things weren't already in place. We would have signed up Tuohy for sure if we didn't think the return on him was more valuable.

So true.. these scenarios don't "just pop up". I said it when it happened that if our offer to Touhy was as low as what the rumours were saying then we were virtually giving him an open door to explore other options.

 

[Navara79]

Didn't you say the same thing about trading Gibbs???

For the past 8 years.... Yes

 

[Funk]

They've got a different way of doing things now, so that means all is going well and we're just going to shoot up the ladder does it?

I'll believe it when I see it.

We're so far from finals right now, it is just plain depressing.

Did you seriously think that with Gibbs we were going to be better than 10 other clubs in the next 2 years?

We need to target having the very best possible list we can scrounge by 2021/2022.

We need to have a large squad of great young players aged between 20-25years at that time.

By Gibbs going now we should get 2 more players in this group.

We will have the $ to sign free agents for the next 3 years.

We still have plenty of good leaders at the club.

There will be short term pain - but we need to keep our focus on the longer term goal.

 

[Heres Waite]

This whole thing reminds of Griffen to GWS and I ******* love it.


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So you're saying, turn the tables on the Crows, as the Bulldogs did with GWS, offer Lever and Mitch McGovern contract extensions they can't refuse, get them to both request trades to Carlton.

 

[Benaly28]

If we all heard rumours of Gibbs going to Adelaide weeks ago don't think for a minute Carlton were 'blindsided'.

Please!

Surely they have a contingency plan IF that were to happen.Sos is only doing what we should have done years ago.Build through the draft.

 

[Chalky Blues]

OK lets just change the subject for while. I have a question, is McBean from Shitmond worth a punt on?

No but I've decide I'll Let SOS trade out Gibbs & Tuohy and some late picks if he can keep Pick #5 and somehow end up with GWS 5 , Shane Kersten, GHS, & 2Metre Peter

 

[Beer n Skittles]

So you're saying, turn the tables on the Crows, as the Bulldogs did with GWS, offer Lever and Mitch McGovern contract extensions they can't refuse, get them to both request trades to Carlton.

Sounds good

 

[slashin_velvet]

Let Adelaide keep pick 13. Ask for the crouch brothers.

 

[PP34]

Did you seriously think that with Gibbs we were going to be better than 10 other clubs in the next 2 years?

We need to target having the very best possible list we can scrounge by 2021/2022.

We need to have a large squad of great young players aged between 20-25years at that time.

By Gibbs going now we should get 2 more players in this group.

We will have the $ to sign free agents for the next 3 years.

We still have plenty of good leaders at the club.

There will be short term pain - but we need to keep our focus on the longer term goal.

No I don't, but it's a genuine worry the love everyone on her has for this kid, kid, kid approach.

Take a look at the Bulldogs. They didn't go trading every player who wasn't very young when they began rebuilding.

 

[Sam The Doc]

I'd really like to get Mcgovern, i hope we are asking for him and stay firm on it.

 

[Benaly28]

Tuohy/Gibbs.

Guthrie,Lang,Cockatoo,Caddy (no one else)

Crouch,McGovern,Lyons,Lever,Laird,Cameron(no one else)

Take any of the above.

 

[Funk]

Gibbs pushing it may be a blessing in disguise, though (albeit a good disguise).

Here's a guy who is part club stalwart, part whipping boy, who has never hit the heights we wanted and yet is still good enough to podium in B&Fs and so on. Where Marc Murphy is unanimously voted as leader of the group under two separate regimes, where was Gibbs? Kreuzer is always talked up as a respected warrior within the playing group, but Bryce Gibbs has NEVER been heart and soul Blue-blood leader-of-men guy. Can he play? Bloody oath he can. But he's permanently the "much-maligned" Bryce Gibbs, or the "B+ grade" Bryce Gibbs, or the "former #1 pick" Bryce Gibbs.

Is he taking us anywhere? Is HE leading us anywhere? Probably not, and therefore him being cashed in whilst he has value is THE catalyst for a rebuild bonfire. Out of the ashes could come an all-new Blues list ready to go somewhere together.

He's done well, he's played 200 games (bloody hell!), he's been durable, he's been good, he's occasionally been brilliant... but has he been loved? Has he been inspiring?

I love it. Everything not nailed down must go. Anarchy. Woo.

At least I don't have to look at that stupid ******* man bun every week in 2017

 

[chunkylover53]

No I don't, but it's a genuine worry the love everyone on her has for this kid, kid, kid approach.

Take a look at the Bulldogs. They didn't go trading every player who wasn't very young when they began rebuilding.

Yeah they did. They got rid of Griffen, Cooney and Higgins all in one off-season. 3 blokes who had 10 years to lead their club to success but failed so they were moved on.. sound familiar? I hear your concerns but of all the moves the club has made the past 2 years this one may turn out to be the ballsiest and the best.

 

[The Toad]

Tuohy/Gibbs.

Guthrie,Lang,Cockatoo,Caddy (no one else)

Crouch,McGovern,Lyons,Lever,Laird,Cameron(no one else)

Take any of the above.

Didn't they just get him??

 

[luke livingston seagull]

Very good mail from a member in the carltonians.

Kreuzer is next up for trade.Tigers circuling.Good relationship with Cotchin.

Wonder if a club has ever traded out two #1 draft picks in the same year...

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I'm thinking we trade 13 to GWS for Marchbank and co.

Take 5 to the draft this year and reload next year with 2 x 1st rounders.

I'd rather offer up the 2017 1st.

Think of it this way, with Bryce on their list surely they will finish higher than this year. So Pick #13 becomes pick #15/16 next year.

Next year's draft has some elite talent, but it's mostly at the top end. After the top 10 it starts to wear thin. This year's draft is different. Pick #13 could get us a Venables/Scrimshaw/Powell-Pepper so I'd prefer we keep it.

Also, I think we can get an additional 1st rounder next year by trading our 2018 1st.

Ideally, I want us to only go after Marchbank. I have zero interest in Pickett, Stewart, Kennedy and Corr. if we were smart, we would offer GWS our 2017 2nd for Marchbank.

That would leave us with #5 + #13 along with Marchbank this year and next year we'll have #3-5 (we'll certainly not finish higher with the loss of Touhy and Gibbs), #6-7 (by trading our 2018 1st) and #15/16.

That's six more highly talented kids to go along with the 5 we picked up last year as well as Cripps, Docherty, Plowman and Byrne.

That's 15 highly talented young players that will form the core group. Not to mention we'll be getting Ben Silvagni in the 2018 draft. We build around all of them, maybe bring in a FA like Fyfe and go after a couple of others and we'll be set. Depth can always be brought in later, first you want a strong core group of players. Establish the best 22 then build around them.

That's why this #5 for 5 trade really grinds my gears!

 

[PP34]

Yeah they did. They got rid of Griffen, Cooney and Higgins all in one off-season. 3 blokes who had 10 years to lead their club to success but failed so they were moved on.. sound familiar? I hear your concerns but of all the moves the club has made the past 2 years this one may turn out to be the ballsiest and the best.

Cooney was cooked, Higgins could never get on the park. Griffen they had a much better position than we do.

 

[The Edukator]

Family is clearly an excuse for chasing a premiership. It gives people more warm and fuzzies.

Hardly an indictment on the club.

 

[Funk]

No I don't, but it's a genuine worry the love everyone on her has for this kid, kid, kid approach.

Take a look at the Bulldogs. They didn't go trading every player who wasn't very young when they began rebuilding.

Harbrow, Ward, Lake and their captain Griffen all went out the door in trades/transfers.

May have been others but these 4 immediately come to mind.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Gibbs pushing it may be a blessing in disguise, though (albeit a good disguise).

Here's a guy who is part club stalwart, part whipping boy, who has never hit the heights we wanted and yet is still good enough to podium in B&Fs and so on. Where Marc Murphy is unanimously voted as leader of the group under two separate regimes, where was Gibbs? Kreuzer is always talked up as a respected warrior within the playing group, but Bryce Gibbs has NEVER been heart and soul Blue-blood leader-of-men guy. Can he play? Bloody oath he can. But he's permanently the "much-maligned" Bryce Gibbs, or the "B+ grade" Bryce Gibbs, or the "former #1 pick" Bryce Gibbs.

Is he taking us anywhere? Is HE leading us anywhere? Probably not, and therefore him being cashed in whilst he has value is THE catalyst for a rebuild bonfire. Out of the ashes could come an all-new Blues list ready to go somewhere together.

He's done well, he's played 200 games (bloody hell!), he's been durable, he's been good, he's occasionally been brilliant... but has he been loved? Has he been inspiring?

I love it. Everything not nailed down must go. Anarchy. Woo.

You sounds like an opposition fan. All that bit about not living up to the #1 pick is out of date. He's been a gun for the past couple of years

 

[FootyGeek]

You still haven't answered the question.

What would you do to get a list capable of making top 4????

Slurrey would get Elliot back, take the AFL to court to remove the salary cap and get AVCO back as a sponsor.

That has been his plan forever.