Bluemour Discussion Thread VI (cont. in Part VII)

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Totally different discussion.

my off the cuff response stays the same - I'd rather keep Gibbs and add FA in Rockliff - unless Gibbs compensation gets two extra mids of class on top of Rockliff who is irrelevant to discussion - not interested one iopa in pick #10 for Gibbs - and taking that to the draft- none of the mids on offer in this years top 10 draft picks interest me at all.
I understand where you are coming from now, but for me it is the same discussion.

Keeping Gibbs, while gaining Rocky seems to be with a short term view of the next 2-3 years, which for me is not a benefit to a long term strategy. I would be on board with this type of list management if we had finished 9th or 10th this year and rising. Then both of these players would be great contributors in finals and of winning a flag.

I prefer to take a 5+ year view to our list management. If we lose Gibbs and gain Rocky, +/- it is a zero affect, the benefit is potentially adding 1 or multiple players to our list for the long term.

Forgetting the exact position of where each of these draftees will be selected, but for this post, let's assume the order will be as listed below

  1. Dow
  2. Cerra
  3. Constable
  4. Rayner
  5. Brayshaw
  6. LDU
  7. D. Forgarty
  8. Higgins
  9. Brander
  10. Naughton
  11. Stephenson
  12. Clark
  13. Coffield
  14. Spargo
  15. O'Brien
  16. Garner
  17. L. Forgarty
The kids from 10+, admittedly may not have the impact of a Gibbs in the next 3 years, but beyond that, I have enough faith in the new Carlton, that any of those kids would. Not to mention any players we may gain from Adelaide or later draft picks.
 

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Yeah what kind of club would offer a long deal to a guy with a suspect injury *cough* Daisy *cough*

If the money is right and it's not degenerative and the cash isn't bad, it's not so bad. He is a very good player - don't buy into those who say he ain't good.
That's certainly not my concern. My concern is building a list full of players with a past of serious injuries.
 

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Don't kill me... but Macreadie for Saad? seems like we are pretty well stocked for medium/tall defenders, especially with the surprise of Jones.
Not sure how many games Harrison will play over the coming years, will be tough to get him in the team.
Saad would start day one in a position where we don't have a lot of depth
Dead man walking.
 

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I understand where you are coming from now, but for me it is the same discussion.

Keeping Gibbs, while gaining Rocky seems to be with a short term view of the next 2-3 years, which for me is not a benefit to a long term strategy. I would be on board with this type of list management if we had finished 9th or 10th this year and rising. Then both of these players would be great contributors in finals and of winning a flag.

I prefer to take a 5+ year view to our list management. If we lose Gibbs and gain Rocky, +/- it is a zero affect, the benefit is potentially adding 1 or multiple players to our list for the long term.

Forgetting the exact position of where each of these draftees will be selected, but for this post, let's assume the order will be as listed below

  1. Dow
  2. Cerra
  3. Constable
  4. Rayner
  5. Brayshaw
  6. LDU
  7. D. Forgarty
  8. Higgins
  9. Brander
  10. Naughton
  11. Stephenson
  12. Clark
  13. Coffield
  14. Spargo
  15. O'Brien
  16. Garner
  17. L. Forgarty
The kids from 10+, admittedly may not have the impact of a Gibbs in the next 3 years, but beyond that, I have enough faith in the new Carlton, that any of those kids would. Not to mention any players we may gain from Adelaide or later draft picks.
I'd agree with you that short term pain (investing in more youth, getting higher draft picks next year) leads to long term gain except for a few things:
(1) psychological damage to our kids through lack of a winning culture
(2) physical damage to our young players through lack of mature bodies (eg Cripps getting assisted by Rockliff)
(3) financial pressures on the club through lack of members
leading to
(4) pressure on coach
 

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I'd agree with you that short term pain (investing in more youth, getting higher draft picks next year) leads to long term gain except for a few things:
(1) psychological damage to our kids through lack of a winning culture
(2) physical damage to our young players through lack of mature bodies (eg Cripps getting assisted by Rockliff)
(3) financial pressures on the club through lack of members
leading to
(4) pressure on coach
  1. Winning culture? We finished bottom 4 with Gibbs and likely to finish bottom 6 with him next year. No damage is done, if kids see the future unfolding, while winning a several games along the way. Close losses also reinforce that the future is not far away
  2. Adding Rocky is fine, while losing Gibbs for draft picks and players
  3. Members like us, see the new Carlton, our finances will grow as the club starts to build on field success
  4. I would be confident in saying that Bolts has achieved many things in the short time at the club. Vision and unity being prominent
 
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Don't kill me... but Macreadie for Saad? seems like we are pretty well stocked for medium/tall defenders, especially with the surprise of Jones.
Not sure how many games Harrison will play over the coming years, will be tough to get him in the team.
Saad would start day one in a position where we don't have a lot of depth

Wouldn't Saad be competing with Docherty, Simpson, Byrne and co...?
 

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Same as last year. I certainly rang in a couple of times to give Cornes stick about the Gibbs trade.
I just vomited a bit in my mouth.

The thought of listening to Monga and Megahead on a Monday morning is simply vile.

You are a brave man BlueTongue. That shit gives people brain damage.

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By his account, Gibbs to Adelaide certainly looks like a lock, Rockliff may still end up at Port.

If we lose Gibbs and fail to get Rockliff, then get Smith & Saad, I'll be pissed.

Kennedy looks to be the only positive I can see at present.


I don't understand the whole Rockliff to Port, i thought it was suggested if he were to move from the Lions, he'd want to be somewhere close to Benalla (therefore a Victorian team)?
 
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Totally different discussion.

my off the cuff response stays the same - I'd rather keep Gibbs and add FA in Rockliff - unless Gibbs compensation gets two extra mids of class on top of Rockliff who is irrelevant to discussion - not interested one iopa in pick #10 for Gibbs - and taking that to the draft- none of the mids on offer in this years top 10 draft picks interest me at all.
who would trade two extra mids of class for Gibbs??
 

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I don't understand the whole Rockliff to Port, i thought it was suggested if he were to move from the Lions, he'd want to be somewhere close to Benalla (therefore a Victorian team)?
Either do i but the rumors of him going there are starting to be more frequent. Makes it look worse if the one about him staying at Gray's house whilst in Adelaide is true (means at the very least they are good mates and that may have some attraction to him).
 

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Wouldn't Saad be competing with Docherty, Simpson, Byrne and co...?
Its possible Simpson might only play 10 or so games next year due to pressure from byrne and saad.
Docherty will play more midfield minutes. That fact is he would be competing for 2 spots where we currently have Simpson (retiring), Bryne, WIlliamson (who i see has more a winger) and Docherty. We dont have a lot of depth.

Though Harry Macreadie is competing against Plowman, Marchbank, Weitering and Jones where its possible we are already one tall to many. Not counting ASOS and Rowe.

I have to say its better to have more talls as they are harder to find than small flankers though.
 

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I just vomited a bit in my mouth.

The thought of listening to Monga and Megahead on a Monday morning is simply vile.

You are a brave man BlueTongue. That shit gives people brain damage.

TA
Yeah it does. But I couldn't take it, especially Cornes spouting that pick 13 (or was it 14) alone was way overs, and that we should have been happy with a 2nd rounder (for a player under contract no less FFS!). Absolute shit slinger he is, and I just had to bite, and tell him as much.
 
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