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If anything the AFL system with the best facilities and access to the best doctors would give him a much greater chance to move past his issues.
Exactly. If a club thinks he has the talent and character to be a good player, they'll put him on a list and rehab his medical issues. Can't see how disconnecting from the AFL system improves his chances at all.
 

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Exactly. If a club thinks he has the talent and character to be a good player, they'll put him on a list and rehab his medical issues. Can't see how disconnecting from the AFL system improves his chances at all.

He may need to step down a level to reduce the strain on his body from all the training. This might let his body settle down. once he’s injury free for an extended period as a result of fewer physical demands, he might be able to build upon it.

l’ve actually got no idea about what’s best for his body. Just guessing. But l do think it’s a mistake to basically repeat the sort of thanking hawthorn had.
 
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He may need to step down a level to reduce the strain on his body from all the training. This might let his body settle down. once he’s injury free for an extended period as a result of fewer physical demands, he might be able to build upon it.

l’ve actually got no idea about what’s best for his body. Just guessing. But l do think it’s a mistake to basically repeat the sort of thanking hawthorn had.
Could be 100% right. Doesn't explain why this can't be done while part of an AFL club.
 
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Could be 100% right. Doesn't explain why this can't be done while part of an AFL club.
Yeah. Actually Afl clubs don't demand an injured player to go through too much. They design rehab to get the players back to 100%. It's odd to think that the Afl clubs aren't the best place for a player to get back to full fitness.
 

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The problem with O'Rourke isn't his hamstrings. Sure, he had bad hamstring problems this year that kept him out for a lot of the season, and has had the odd hamstring injury previously.

A far bigger problem is that he just hasn't displayed anything at AFL level - he just isn't good. He's played 18 games since debuting, has only once scored a 6 or higher on the inside footballs - and that was way back in 2014. He had a relatively decent run with injury at GWS and couldn't get a game. Went to Hawthorn, couldn't get a game despite being injury free in 2015. In 2016, he had an injury, but played most of the year and couldn't cement his spot - was in and out of the VFL. He's 24 in April and has never yet played a better than average AFL game.

As a comparison, Sam Kerridge is almost exactly the same age as O'Rourke. After he came back into the team in round 15 this year, he rated a 6 or higher in every match up until the round 23 disaster in Sydney. Basically, Kerridge's average game is the same or better than anything O'Rourke has shown at AFL level.

Had O'Rourke not been drafted at pick 2, he'd be gone from an AFL list by now, and he may still end up in that situation
 

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MS3, Barrass anyone?

Do you have anymore trade rumours? People we attempted to bring across and didn't? Did we have a crack at Schache or Tom Boyd? Etc

Suffering from Trade Period Withdrawal mate? :D

Trade period is useful as it spares us going absolutely cold turkey at the end of the footy season, since at least there is still interesting footy news.

Sadly we now enter those painful few weeks where nothing footy related is really happening.
Spring ****ing racing carnival!! :mad: (Horse racing interests me about as much as Jobe Watson's short list of baby names.)

We wait with baited breath for the draft and after that dies down... :(
 

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Suffering from Trade Period Withdrawal mate? :D

Trade period is useful as it spares us going absolutely cold turkey at the end of the footy season, since at least there is still interesting footy news.

Sadly we now enter those painful few weeks where nothing footy related is really happening.
Spring ****ing racing carnival!! :mad: (Horse racing interests me about as much as Jobe Watson's short list of baby names.)

We wait with baited breath for the draft and after that dies down... :(
Pre Season training starts in a week or two for the young players.
 

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Could be 100% right. Doesn't explain why this can't be done while part of an AFL club.

An afl club would keep building him back up to a level that’s acceptable for afl level. Then he breaks down. If they kept his work load down permanently he would not be an option for the firsts and a waste of a list spot.

At a lower level he wouldn’t put the same demands on his body and would still be competitive. Maybe he needs a couple of years of this.



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Suffering from Trade Period Withdrawal mate? :D

Trade period is useful as it spares us going absolutely cold turkey at the end of the footy season, since at least there is still interesting footy news.

Sadly we now enter those painful few weeks where nothing footy related is really happening.
Spring ****ing racing carnival!! :mad: (Horse racing interests me about as much as Jobe Watson's short list of baby names.)

We wait with baited breath for the draft and after that dies down... :(
I like AFLW and looking forward to seeing our new line-up .
 

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The problem with O'Rourke isn't his hamstrings. Sure, he had bad hamstring problems this year that kept him out for a lot of the season, and has had the odd hamstring injury previously.

A far bigger problem is that he just hasn't displayed anything at AFL level - he just isn't good. He's played 18 games since debuting, has only once scored a 6 or higher on the inside footballs - and that was way back in 2014. He had a relatively decent run with injury at GWS and couldn't get a game. Went to Hawthorn, couldn't get a game despite being injury free in 2015. In 2016, he had an injury, but played most of the year and couldn't cement his spot - was in and out of the VFL. He's 24 in April and has never yet played a better than average AFL game.

As a comparison, Sam Kerridge is almost exactly the same age as O'Rourke. After he came back into the team in round 15 this year, he rated a 6 or higher in every match up until the round 23 disaster in Sydney. Basically, Kerridge's average game is the same or better than anything O'Rourke has shown at AFL level.

Had O'Rourke not been drafted at pick 2, he'd be gone from an AFL list by now, and he may still end up in that situation

I thought o’rourke had quite a few injuries at gws. Hawthorn took him onboard hoping if they got his body right his talent would come through.


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Pre Season training starts in a week or two for the young players.

Really? Wow, I didn't think they really got started until the list was finalized for next season, after the ND and PSD. Makes sense I suppose, that they should want to stay in shape. These days, can't afford to hit the pre-season carrying too many extra kilos. It's full-on, eh!
 

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Suffering from Trade Period Withdrawal mate? :D

Trade period is useful as it spares us going absolutely cold turkey at the end of the footy season, since at least there is still interesting footy news.

Sadly we now enter those painful few weeks where nothing footy related is really happening.
Spring ****ing racing carnival!! :mad: (Horse racing interests me about as much as Jobe Watson's short list of baby names.)

We wait with baited breath for the draft and after that dies down... :(

Lads should be back training in a couple of weeks, some more news on the horizon > draft night and then into junk time footy wise but Ashes will be in full swing and then the BBL.

WTF is the new fixture date release...
 

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The problem with O'Rourke isn't his hamstrings. Sure, he had bad hamstring problems this year that kept him out for a lot of the season, and has had the odd hamstring injury previously.

A far bigger problem is that he just hasn't displayed anything at AFL level - he just isn't good. He's played 18 games since debuting, has only once scored a 6 or higher on the inside footballs - and that was way back in 2014. He had a relatively decent run with injury at GWS and couldn't get a game. Went to Hawthorn, couldn't get a game despite being injury free in 2015. In 2016, he had an injury, but played most of the year and couldn't cement his spot - was in and out of the VFL. He's 24 in April and has never yet played a better than average AFL game.

As a comparison, Sam Kerridge is almost exactly the same age as O'Rourke. After he came back into the team in round 15 this year, he rated a 6 or higher in every match up until the round 23 disaster in Sydney. Basically, Kerridge's average game is the same or better than anything O'Rourke has shown at AFL level.

Had O'Rourke not been drafted at pick 2, he'd be gone from an AFL list by now, and he may still end up in that situation
JOK was a reach at 2. There was talk we might get him with the Menzel pick (Menzel was expected to be gone at our pick) Both are examples of why you don't take flankers in the first round with the hope they will become midfielders.
 

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Lads should be back training in a couple of weeks, some more news on the horizon > draft night and then into junk time footy wise but Ashes will be in full swing and then the BBL.

WTF is the new fixture date release...

Yeah, I like my cricket. In truth, footy comes around again all too quickly nowadays.
I hope Cummins and Starc can stay on the park. We might have a chance then!
 

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Really? Wow, I didn't think they really got started until the list was finalized for next season, after the ND and PSD. Makes sense I suppose, that they should want to stay in shape. These days, can't afford to hit the pre-season carrying too many extra kilos. It's full-on, eh!
They get 8 weeks off and usually back training around cup week when you don't make finals
 

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I thought o’rourke had quite a few injuries at gws. Hawthorn took him onboard hoping if they got his body right his talent would come through.


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Until this year he really hasn't missed that much footy with injury since being drafted. Played 36 games at both levels over 15/16 and still didn't fire a shot. Also played 19 NEAFL/AFL games in his last year at GWS
 
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JOK was a reach at 2. There was talk we might get him with the Menzel pick (Menzel was expected to be gone at our pick) Both are examples of why you don't take flankers in the first round with the hope they will become midfielders.
Tell that Essendon and Andrew McGrath
 
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If anything the AFL system with the best facilities and access to the best doctors would give him a much greater chance to move past his issues.

Exactly. If a club thinks he has the talent and character to be a good player, they'll put him on a list and rehab his medical issues. Can't see how disconnecting from the AFL system improves his chances at all.

Yeah. Actually Afl clubs don't demand an injured player to go through too much. They design rehab to get the players back to 100%. It's odd to think that the Afl clubs aren't the best place for a player to get back to full fitness.
There's a point that some players reach where no matter how much of a soft touch the club thinks its applying, they are still pushing certain injury issues too hard because it's a hyper competitive environment and the guy looks healthy.

What's more, the individual is pushing themselves pretty hard in said environment, so all save for an elite few tend to create more problems for themselves than they solve. Sometimes a break from the system, despite it's obvious benefits, counterbalances the drop off in medical care and monitoring of training & physio.

With something that's effectively a repetitive strain injury, this might be the ticket for him, but the onus will be on him to continue to look after his body outside of that stressful environment.

At the end of the day, that's just my opinion. :p
 
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