Bluemour Discussion Thread X

[rp84]

For the people worried about what Mitch will cost.. the question is how bad do they want Luko? Really bad I'd suggest. So much so that I very much doubt they'd try to screw us over another player that seems hell bent on getting out. In fact, they will likely pack his bags for him if it carries favour with SOS.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Yeah & right now Charlie would cost you more than that. Just saying, you can always find a mid (& yes you do have to pay) but good luck finding KP - they take longer to come on, as such cost more!
You invest 2-3 yrs into a mid you can have a gun, a tall takes min 3-4 & realistically 4-5.

Not so sure about that. It all depends on the player you're chasing. Look at the Tigers. They're looking good to go back to back with only 30 yr old Jack Riewoldt as a quality KPF. Pies the same, they really don't have any quality KPFs. Doesn't stop them from winning a lot of games. Modern footy relies less on the KPPs and if a gun mid is on the table, like a Kelly or Dusty or Cripps they will be just as costly if not more than the KPPs.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Is he under contract or a restricted free agent ? Is this just a Big Footy rumour or should we watching this space for public confirmation of this recruitment this week or in the very near future ?

Some posters are questioning whether we need another player of his type. Gee the way he played in that last quarter V. the Roos, he will definitely make our younger back half players such Wietering, Ploughman, Marchback etc better defenders. Plus when he goes forward, he will provide a very real 3rd marking and goal kicking target to complement Charlie and the Big H.

I still can't believe that is that real possibility ... we must be offering him a mega motza over 4 or 5 yr. deal to get to leave the Crows. Then again ... they are famous for under paying their players.

Wrong mcgovern

 

[Matty411]

I just don’t get it. McGovern is a WA lad, who wants out from SA. Surely if he was to leave it would be to head home closer to his family??? Instead wants to head further away from home to the wooden spooners??? Just doesn’t make sense to me...

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Not so sure about that. It all depends on the player you're chasing. Look at the Tigers. They're looking good to go back to back with only 30 yr old Jack Riewoldt as a quality KPF. Pies the same, they really don't have any quality KPFs. Doesn't stop them from winning a lot of games. Modern footy relies less on the KPPs and if a gun mid is on the table, like a Kelly or Dusty or Cripps they will be just as costly if not more than the KPPs.

Current modern footy.
Next year a team with quality talls could win the premiership. Fads come and go.
Lets create our own

 

[Blue__Balls]

But on the flipside, you take Kennedy and Darling out of the WCE lineup and they seem to fall apart.

I reckon it's less about structure and more about have a group of players who complement each other and know how to play as a collective.

Tall, small, whatever.

 

[Arr0w]

A great KPF is always worth more than a great mid.

If we say Kelly is one of the best mids we have seen at his age, how would you rate Buddy if he was on the market and was the same age?

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Is he under contract or a restricted free agent ?

Under contract

Is this just a Big Footy rumour or should we watching this space for public confirmation of this recruitment this week or in the very near future ?

You can't sign opposition players in season

 

[Aphrodite]

For those asking .......

MITCH McGovern is contracted until the end of 2020 (non free agent)

 

[Iamcarlton]

McGovern is a nice to have but we urgently need at least 4 mids. Poor list management if we are going after him.

I agree but it depends on what else we do doesnt it ? .
If we were able to bring in Shiel Walsh and say for arguments sake Dom Tyson then thats a big leg up for our midfield then Mcgovern may make more sense ? .

 

[F_therest]

I recall seeing Gov in the backline taking a few excellent contested marks late in Q4 for the Crows. Really think he's just a good all-round footballer so could play anywhere between the arcs and be our swingman, allowing Marchy, Weiters and our spine to settle. Kind of like Hendo was but better.

A bonus but certainly not a need I would have thought with marchbank, weitering, plowman and macreadie. Jones in the mix as well. We should only play 3 in defence max.

And up front we have Charlie and McKay...id prefer only two tall setup. If 3 we have Kerr, tdk developing and I assume we will draft Bsos.

Look McGovern obviously improves our team right now but given what he will cost is it the best use of our $$$ and trade assets when we already have many promising talls? That's what I'm not sure about.

 

[Gavstar]

Under contract


You can't sign opposition players in season

Strong mail that McGovern felt he was misled in contract negotiations about what Adelaide could afford.

Basically he views he took unders to hold team together.

Nek Minnit hello Bryce Gibbs.....

 

[therubbernub]

Let's be honest jsos has struggled with the rigors of afl football this season ..if we are to kick on I just dont see a spot for him in the best 22 ..I hope he can prove me wrong because I like the guy ..his one of the nicest guys you will ever meet .

Seemingly. But IMO he has been discarded as a third tall by teague- hence our interest in MM. He has been forced to reinvent himself as a midfielder/utility. For that reason I see his 2018 year as a development year, rather than a year in which he was struggling

 

[Juddrockz]

True then we may as well delist jsos then

Jack plays far better when he's given time on the ball.

 

[F_therest]

rarely see ms3 so definitive...was absolute that terms had been agreed, not 'highly likely' or 'in the box seat'.

 

[HarryFlashman]

Here's a question that's also thread related... who in your opinion would be the most expensive (in terms of what picks it would cost u) player?
I'm talking contracted, happy, with no issues, just straight out "poaching" - personally I'd say Charlie....
& $ doesn't come into it, just cost in picks

 

[Johnny James]

McGovern has agreed to terms with us, so now its about getting the right deal for the crows. What that looks like right now is up in the air as we will be super active come trade period.

Great to have you post again Shmurf.
Your posts are always very much appreciated.

 

[Lawrence Angwin]

Make Cripps & Docherty co-captains. Supported by Simpson Curnow Kruezer Thomas Murphy is probably enough leadership.

I agree Soapy. It's too hard to split those 2.


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[95blues]

Current modern footy.
Next year a team with quality talls could win the premiership. Fads come and go.
Lets create our own

Yep, time to stop chasing what others are doing.

Lets see how manic tackling pressure and mass numbers around the ball work when the AFL inevitably introduces a form of decongestion like at TAC level and all of a sudden contested 1v1 mismatches are vital.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

rarely see ms3 so definitive...was absolute that terms had been agreed, not 'highly likely' or 'in the box seat'.

That's what has me worried. The only thing we have that Adelaide want is pick 1. Everyone knows this and he is contracted to Adelaide so they have all the power.

 

[Arr0w]

Current modern footy.
Next year a team with quality talls could win the premiership. Fads come and go.
Lets create our own

And isn't funny that even the Tigers are chasing Lynch, despite their current structure

 

[Weiterbot23]

How do we get McGoven without losing pick 1?

Package 2x seconds for Sydney pick 12-14 and offer that?

 

[Bazz_27]

Sorry to rain on your parade guys but if McGovern is leaving then he ain't leaving for a 2nd round pick like some have suggested.

Lever was uncontracted and we got 2 first rounders (and he is not a KPP)

Gibbs was contracted and you got 2 first rounders..

There's a few precedents for you.

 

[Arr0w]

Sorry to rain on your parade guys but if McGovern is leaving then he ain't leaving for a 2nd round pick like some have suggested.

Lever was uncontracted and we got 2 first rounders (and he is not a KPP)

Gibbs was contracted and you got 2 first rounders..

There's a few precedents for you.

Surely you are not putting him in that class?

 

[ESKIE]

Depends how bad you want Lukosius