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Reckon that second round pick might be used on Tomlinson if we go there again..
Reckon we'll have two. An end of 1st round PP.

We fired a warning shot last year asking for a PP. If this year goes as I think it will for us (around 4 wins) and Essendon finish bottom AND get FA compo for Hooker leaving, we have a solid justification to burn down AFL HQ if they dont give us an end of first round PP.

We'll nab around 4 wins this year, and got 4 last year. That alone used to qualify you for a start of 1st round PP. Add in the fact we got 7 wins the year before (and compromised drafts preceeding that) and we have a good argument to ask for an end of 1st round/ start of 2nd round PP.
 

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Has started out good (in our favour) if this is to be an option again this October, with Tomlinson dropped to the NEAFL. Absolutely dominated in response, so will be interesting to see how he goes. I get the feeling that a trade to us is more likely the more he plays in the seconds/plays poorly.
Thats all good but do we want Tomlinson if he is not good enough to play AFL level at GWS?
We cannot build a premiership team with players like KJ who cannot make our best 22. (really hope he improves though).
If Tomlinson continues to struggle, he is only worth a third rounder (Dogs pick) or not even worth getting, as our draft selections are better used in getting an upgrade of our other picks in a swap with GWS for academy pick points?
 

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Thats all good but do we want Tomlinson if he is not good enough to play AFL level at GWS?
We cannot build a premiership team with players like KJ who cannot make our best 22. (really hope he improves though).
If Tomlinson continues to struggle, he is only worth a third rounder (Dogs pick) or not even worth getting, as our draft selections are better used in getting an upgrade of our other picks in a swap with GWS for academy pick points?
If Tomlinson can't get a game at GWS after 5 years ( the number of years we gave Watson to come good) surely they would have to be looking to cut him.

Reading today's paper they have more tall academy kids coming through.
 

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Isn't his contract heavily front loaded?

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I actually had heard the first 2-3 years weren't as high as the end. Think Sydney may have thought he wouldn't make it to the end and they would save a couple million in the process.
 

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Isn't his contract heavily front loaded?

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He's out of contract this year. So the point is let him re-sign with sydney until he is FA eligible - build the squad and bring him accross when we are ready to challenge. Double benefit, he'll replace someone like murphy or gibbs, and will have an opportunity to achieve success at sydney.
 

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That's a good start, 1981, but I say we need more.

Those six definitely make excellent young CANDIDATES for FF, CHF, 3rd Fwd, CHB, FB, 3rd Back.

If 4+ of those make it to auto 22 level, I will be VERY happy.

I would like 10 decent KPPs (current best 22 and talented youngsters) on a list to ensure enough make the cut and you have decent depth once someone gets injured.

Not to mention even if EVERY one of those players makes the cut (very unlikely), it will be years before McKay is monstering defenders, Silvagni isn't ragdolled at AFL level and JGM can hold his own against the elite forwards...
Yes that is true.
Reality we need depth all over.
But we will likely have to decide which players we devote our highest picks, or best trade collateral on.
 

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I don't think he would demand much but would be a stop gap until our younger boys are ready for the bigger bodies. Agree we need midfield depth but also require a spine to carry it. Levi is double teamed each week as we have no other targets and if we do hit someone up they are usually having a shot from a boundary pocket
3rd rounder or less for Redpath.
Nothing lower than a 3rd rounder.
And even then SOS may prefer to try and use a 3rd rounder, in a bundled package, for something more substantial.
Trick would be to get Redpath for peanuts.
 

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3rd rounder or less for Redpath.
Nothing lower than a 3rd rounder.
And even then SOS may prefer to try and use a 3rd rounder, in a bundled package, for something more substantial.
Trick would be to get Redpath for peanuts.
If Redpath is in our trading strategy for anything less than a pick we'd never use (6th round), then I don't have a clue what we're doing in terms of list strategy.

We should be looking at the state leagues or just picking up some project rookies if he's where we set the bar.
 

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Reckon we'll have two. An end of 1st round PP.

We fired a warning shot last year asking for a PP. If this year goes as I think it will for us (around 4 wins) and Essendon finish bottom AND get FA compo for Hooker leaving, we have a solid justification to burn down AFL HQ if they dont give us an end of first round PP.

We'll nab around 4 wins this year, and got 4 last year. That alone used to qualify you for a start of 1st round PP. Add in the fact we got 7 wins the year before (and compromised drafts preceeding that) and we have a good argument to ask for an end of 1st round/ start of 2nd round PP.
Worst case is we finish last :( then get Picks #1 and #2:rolleyes:.
Given we have the worst list in the AFL (according to all the experts) this would be reasonable AFL equalisation - but imagine the indignity!!:oops:!

We should not trade #1 or #2 as we need to unearth some genuine stars - we must be bold and take risk IMO.
Our early second rounder could be a great trading opportunity (O'Meara?).

We could trade to try to get Tomlinson from GWS for academy points - so maybe our two third round selections to net Tomlinson if he wants to leave (and we rate him).

I assume Sydney would not want our second for Mitchell but would prefer academy points, so If we traded our 2016 Fourth round selection and 2017 First round selection (#1?) to Sydney (Premiers 2016?) for say #19 in 2016 and Mitchell (if he wants to go) then we could end up with:

#1, #2, #19, #20, Tomlinson and Mitchell in 2016. :rainbow: dreaming I know...
and we would need to improve heaps in 2017 to justify losing our first round pick:confused:.
 
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Worst case is we finish last :( then get Picks #1 and #2:rolleyes:.
The AFL wont give us 1 and 2. If we get anything it'll be an end of 1st round pick (and IMO we'll get that if we finish with around 4 wins)

We should not trade #1 or #2 as we need to unearth some genuine stars - we must be bold and take risk IMO.
In the unlikely event we land picks 1 and 2, I would want us to trade pick 2 for two picks at around the 10 mark. Ontrade one of those picks for Mitchell, and package 20 with (Levi) for another pick around the 10 mark and go into the draft with 1, 10 and 11.
 

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I think GWS maybe depending on where there academy players sit. They have what 3-4 picks in the first round (GWS 1st pick, Geelongs pick, Collingwood pick, Freo first pick - McCarthy trade). Say there academy kids which are supposed to be top 5 prospects are all bid around pick 5, they would be forced to use their first pick and also dilute their following picks to cover the points. What they could do if they trade with us is get a pick before any of their academy players are bid on and pick up one of the best non academy players in the draft, then use their remaining later picks to pick up their academy players. This way it would allow them to pick up say a Petrovski-Seton before any academy players get bid on, and then pick up their academy guns.

I think this would be another win win situation between us and GWS.
Its a perfect win-win. GWS grab pick 2/3 + gun academy player (2 x top 5 picks) effectively. We grab 3 mid-late first round picks in exchange for pick 2/3.

It would be really awesome if we had a list manager with contacts at GWS to smooth this over.

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Where do all these top end academy players come from excuse that I'm not up to speed on this but there seems to be a production line of quality young kids heading Sydney way both clubs that is ?
If Tomlinson can't get a game at GWS after 5 years ( the number of years we gave Watson to come good) surely they would have to be looking to cut him.

Reading today's paper they have more tall academy kids coming through.
 

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The AFL wont give us 1 and 2. If we get anything it'll be an end of 1st round pick (and IMO we'll get that if we finish with around 4 wins)
If the AFL want every AFL match to be a contest - then they need to fix the CFC problem - so they should give us an extra First round pick. But I expect Donuts!


In the unlikely event we land picks 1 and 2, I would want us to trade pick 2 for two picks at around the 10 mark. Ontrade one of those picks for Mitchell, and package 20 with (Levi) for another pick around the 10 mark and go into the draft with 1, 10 and 11.
If we have #2, we must use it IMO, as two mid-late first round picks are a much lesser % chance. And we need Stars. (Compare Weitering to McKay - both potentially very good players but Weitering currently a class above IMO and worth far more to us in building the Brand/Future).
 

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The AFL wont give us 1 and 2. If we get anything it'll be an end of 1st round pick (and IMO we'll get that if we finish with around 4 wins)



In the unlikely event we land picks 1 and 2, I would want us to trade pick 2 for two picks at around the 10 mark. Ontrade one of those picks for Mitchell, and package 20 with (Levi) for another pick around the 10 mark and go into the draft with 1, 10 and 11.
We will not get pick 2...we played finals only a few years ago
 

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Where do all these top end academy players come from excuse that I'm not up to speed on this but there seems to be a production line of quality young kids heading Sydney way both clubs that is ?
The Riverina which has been producing top end talent such as Carey and the Danihers for ever. Most come down and board at Victorian schools and GWS put very little work into developing them. A massive drafting free hit. At least the Sydney academy is pulling them from playing league.
 

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SOS looking at turning our 1st pick (unless its pick 1) into 2 top 10 picks again this year. The depth of this years draft especially at the top end is pretty deep.
#bluemour
If this turns out to be true, I will have some serious bragging rights next year... considering that I picked it last year :p

If the #Bluemour from Marc Shmurf 3 is correct, then I'm all for trading - say pick 2/3 - for 2 x top 10 picks - 6 and 9 for example - then offloading one of those for a Tom Mitchell or O'Meara. Sure, we'll likely pay $500-$600k to get them across. But with AW1 likely to retire and Daisy's contract likely to be reduced very soon, we can a) afford it, and b) should be targeting a gun mid in that 20-23 aged bracket.
If I was SOS, I would be doing what he did last year... getting rid of some of our good usable talent who have minor trade value (second or third round picks) and look at upgrading those picks into first or early second round picks. Tom is the most likely prospect for ending up at Carlton considering that there are a number of higher rated midfielders potentially hitting the market come the end of the year... including Lachie Neale.

Because Sydney put him on such a high salary when they drafted him, it has sort of screwed up his overall trade value in terms of ongoing contract value. 500k/year should be about all we are paying for him.
 

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just glue a few half back flankers together and she'll be right
That could solve our kpd stocks. We need at least 1 hff or even a goal kicking mid in that combo..


Actually the goal kicking mid would be better coz then they could rotate through the midfield
 
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