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Coniglio - played in rounds 2, 3 & 4
Ahern - "serious knee injury at the beginning of 2016 means he will spend much of the season sidelined"
Steele - played rounds 1 & 4
Pickett - "the West Australian needs to work harder to get his body and fitness up to standard and should be ready to push for a debut game early this year after a second pre-season"
Kennedy - has only been at the club this season
Haynes - don't know what the reason is for this guy
McCarty - no such player unless you mean McCarthy who has homesickness and is now in WA ??
Hoskin-Elliott - played rounds 2 & 3 but is coming off a pre-season shoulder injury last year which he struggled to recover from
Tomlison - played in rounds 1, 3 & 4
Sorry to intrude but I can help answer this question.

Ahern: ACL out for the season but was close to selection.
Steele: didn't perform in round 1, dominated NEAFL and re-earnt his spot.
Pickett: endurance issues but was and emergency until his season ending injury.
Kennedy: new draftee that is behind other more deserving players in the pecking order at this stage.
Haynes: coming back from preseason surgery. Building up form and fitness. In line to return this round.
McCarthy: training in another Timezone and isn't eligible for selection because of this.
WHE: preseason injury and coped an injury in round 3
Tomlinson: dropped due to not performing, deselected due to strong NEAFL form, form didn't translate, back to the NEAFL
 

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Sorry to intrude but I can help answer this question.

Ahern: ACL out for the season but was close to selection.
Steele: didn't perform in round 1, dominated NEAFL and re-earnt his spot.
Pickett: endurance issues but was and emergency until his season ending injury.
Kennedy: new draftee that is behind other more deserving players in the pecking order at this stage.
Haynes: coming back from preseason surgery. Building up form and fitness. In line to return this round.
McCarthy: training in another Timezone and isn't eligible for selection because of this.
WHE: preseason injury and coped an injury in round 3
Tomlinson: dropped due to not performing, deselected due to strong NEAFL form, form didn't translate, back to the NEAFL

So who comes out when they all go back in? Remember marchbank and Cameron are still to return and you have more 1st round picks than you can poke a stick at to at this years draft.

Last post on the matter, As I'm repeating myself but;

GWS can't play all their guns there's just not enough spots, let's try and take some for under market value using SOSs knowledge of the list and the promise of more oppounity.

The eailer post about Tomlinson getting dropped only cheapens his price tag was spot on.
 

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That may be true, but if adhern goes into the side, it's very likely that another highly rated first round pick comes out of the side, which means there's still 10 first round picks playing 2s
There's only so many you can fit into 22. And if we go to GWS again, we get highly rated players who are hungry who have some years of development already in them.
 

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??? We both agree that they are all first round picks

And besides adhern they are all playing some neafl, which was my point. High picks playing 2s (plus stewart who goes alright as well).

Anyway Tomlinson is a spud despite pick 12 not being enough for him and we shouldn't look at any GWS players in the future despite their relationship with SOS and getting plowman for pick 28.
For the record, his name is "Ahern".

Cuningham was a first-rounder (or close enough) and he is playing seconds
McKay was #10 and he isn't playing seniors either
Jaksch was #12 and he is playing seconds
Walker was #2 and he isn't playing seniors
Everitt was #11 and he isn't playing seniors

So what's your point again ??
 

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Sorry Hal, gonna pick this one apart as well (it's not personal, you're just the only one throwing up complex trade deals that I can analyse to pass the time). Based on your valuations, the trade breaks down like this"

Whitfield for 2017 first (3ish) and 19.
Marchbank for 20.
Tomlinson and 12 for 50 and 55.

I've left 8 and 9 out, as we could just promise not to bid on their academy kids and it achieves the same thing for them.

The alternate trade goes the same way.

Whitfield for 2017 first (3ish) and 19.
1 for 5 and 12 (roughly equal points).
Marchbank and Tomlinson for 50 and 55.

In both scenarios, we make out like absolute bandits.
I don't agree with this whatsoever...

Okay well change the #8 to #1 this year then... Or just drop Tomlinson altogether.

The alternative has a huge points scoring difference also which allows them the best player in the draft as well as Macreadie (KPD) who is touted a top 5 pick. The next academy player for them is rated in the 20-30 mark in Setterfield.

Anyway, was the trade we conducted with them last year not the same. With us making out like bandits?
 

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For the record, his name is "Ahern".

Cuningham was a first-rounder (or close enough) and he is playing seconds
McKay was #10 and he isn't playing seniors either
Jaksch was #12 and he is playing seconds
Walker was #2 and he isn't playing seniors
Everitt was #11 and he isn't playing seniors

So what's your point again ??
Apologies for spelling there are just so many GWS first round picks playing 2s it's hard to keep track.


Everett has been recycled through 2 clubs already we got him for nothing, he's had oppounity and failed unlike GWS players who have been starved of oppounity by high picks as well.*

Walker is best 22 when playing, but when he goes in he's replacing a rookie like wright, not elite talent like GWS.

Cunningham is not a first round pick, you're cheating

Jaksch and McKay still developing/ injured but once they are to replace mature age recruits Rowe, and former rookies white and Jamison not Jeremy Cameron and Patton.



*bit harsh on Andre, his actually decent when he wants to be
 

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The only alternative theories are that Silvagni is an idiot, or that Tomlinson is capable of playing at a level that he's never ever shown at junior, NEAFL or AFL level.

I don't believe the first and I think believing the second is more than a little optimistic.
It's been mentioned numerous times that pick 20 and 21 were worth more to GWS than pick 11 because of the points system. It's far more likely we offered one of these picks, but not both, then eventually gave up on the trade and found a trade that got us whoever slid out of the top 10.

As it turns out, pick 11 would have been a live pick for GWS, but that would have been a massive, massive gamble by GWS. All it would have taken is a bid for Hopper by Essendon and/or a bid for Kennedy before Richmond to unravel that scenario.

Either way, GWS would have had to have done a lot more pick juggling to push some of the excess points into next year's draft as a result of any version of the Tomlinson trade.
 

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A lot of players have had poor years with their club when they KNOW they're moving club at the end of the year so their heart isn't in it.

See Hendo and Betts for us.
Gazza and Cloke had poor years when weighing up whether to stay or go etc

Might just be Tomlinson has already made up his mind.
And guys like Betts and Gazza have shown they can bounce back to form the very next year at their new team.
It's also possible that GWS know he is out of there at the end of this year and would rather put games into someone else.

It is also possible SOS and GWS already have a deal in place.
 

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So a player who cannot crack it for a senior game at another club and his form is sliding faster further than a kid on a slippery-dip yet he is a must-have at our club ??

Go figure !!! :confused:
The whole GWS situation is as unique as we've ever had. Never in history has a club had (and managed) such an ongoing trove of high picks and talent. Usually I would agree with your sentiment regarding players who can't crack a senior team, but:

a) GWS are a very good, young team with ridiculous depth
b) Some of these players (due to injury, form or pure competition) are too good for NEAFL and are 100% AFL quality - just cannot get a run

I don't think anyone is making Tomlinson out to be the 'messiah' but most of us realise:

a) Our depth and top-end talent is well below competition average
b) He would fill an immediate need for us
c) His displays and potential when played in his preferred position (I believe a roaming CHF) is immense

Should we go all out to get him? Not above his value, no. But if he's actually keen to come to us and we already have a huge need for him to fill, how can you say no?

Consider that in his first three seasons at GWS (before the depth got out of control for key talls there), he played 45 games for an average of 15 disposals, 2 tackles and 6 marks - spending his time between the arcs as a running tall.

Will he make Carlton a better side in 2017 and beyond? Absolutely. Now 23 and 193cm and 95kg (the same as Nick Riewoldt) - he fits the bill and at this rate will cost no more than a 2nd rounder.
 

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Seriously? Mods are human, we have families and lives like most of you. Something stays up for a couple of hours and we are taken to task for it? Not cool.

You were the only one who reported it, maybe an admin would have intervened if more did instead of quoting the poster.

To everyone else, you are responsible for what you publish. BigFooty is merely the vehicle for you to publish. The posts surrounding this rumour have been deleted due to the reaction it drew.

Again though, it's a supporter forum and we err on the side of support and really don't want to entertain something so damaging without a lot more information given.
 
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so..what did i miss?
A rumour that you and Mick Malthouse were seen having coffee together and getting all 'handsy'. The board was up in arms about the damage such a rumour could do to Mick's reputation.
 

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Seriously? Mods are human, we have families and lives like most of you. Something stays up for a couple of hours and we are taken to task for it? Not cool.

You were the only one who reported it, maybe an admin would have intervened if more did instead of quoting the poster.

To everyone else, you are responsible for what you publish. BigFooty is merely the vehicle for you to publish. The posts surrounding this rumour have been deleted due to the reaction it drew.

Again though, it's a supporter forum and we err on the side of support and really don't want to entertain something so damaging without a lot more information given.
Tounge in cheek comment but thanks for the long winded reply.
 
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On Mick, you reckon when he watches Eddie dominate he thinks "gee I got that one wrong" or,do you think he is too stubborn to admit it even to himself?
Thinks Trigg approached Eddie 18 months out and Eddie was always gone.
 
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