Rumour Bluemour Discussion XLI

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Playing VFL this season means he is now a C grader on an overpriced contract.

If he hasn’t performed under Cox why do we think he will under Voss?

He played 16 AFL games in 2025, 2 as sub. He played the last 4 games when they won 3 out of 4.

 

[CJMB]

The club takes no responsibility for JSOS, TDK, Doc and Charlie all wanting to leave.

why are we responsible for stk blowing a dumb amount of money?

Also maybe we’re culturally better without the other 3?

Of those, I see 1 best 22, 1 best 22 for half a season, and one that should have been depth.

So f*** ‘em. If you’re not on board you’re in the way.

 

[Blue since 72]

I think this means he is being given some latitude to coach and lead the team the way he wants to

ie no excuses for you next year if you stuff up Vossy

Yep, I’d suggest Voss was guilty of not enforcing standards and behaviours where they needed to be (wouldn’t have been alone here) for the club to advance further up the ladder. Tbh i think that is more with our better players than our foot soldiers so if he gets better buy in from the stars (think over and above just words) and with the likely influx of better soldiers we may be surprised next year.

 

[mrkyuss]

tbh having swans pay some of his salary woudl be because they are still demanding pick 22 or some other lowish pick

If we can accomodate florent's salary without it comprisiming future trading and re-contracting then Id rather hold onto the pick

Why are we “accommodating” a salary dump we are the ones that (should) have the upper hand yeah ?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Our coach is the counter productive problem.

Had we sacked him like we should have months ago this Charlie trade is not even happening.

I've heard two stories now, and neither suggest Voss is Charlie's problem. We have him for another year at least, so we may as well back him in and hope for the best.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

yeah - i still think we may be in discussions with GC - they may be a little bare post trac deal

I do hope this is the case.
I know Humphrey definitely wants out and I think gold coast could still buckle last minute if a good enough offer is thrown in front of them.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

What worries me the most about losing pick 22 is Melbourne getting their hands on 7 + 8 for Trac.

I can see them bidding on Dean with one of those...

If it's pick 8 = 1299 points after 10% discount.

pick 22 is 686 points... so we lose that and we're in trouble...

The worst outcome if we trade 22 is, we'll likely have to use 10 to match the Dean bid.

But then we will take 11 to the draft.

So no chance of Lindsay/Grjl/Robey with that.

Top 10-15 prospects not tied to academy or F/S are probably:

1. Duursma
2. CDT
3. Robey
4. Sharp
5. Grjl
6. Lindsay
7. Taylor
8. Cumming
9. Greeves
10. Dovaston
11. Schubert
12. Farrow
13. Marsh
14. NHH
15. Phillipou

of course, many will have different opinions but pick 11 likely gets us one of those from the 8-15 range to go with Dean.

We then of course have nothing to match an Ison bid too unless we trade some players like Acres, Gov, Fog etc.

So? We'll have 10 + 11.

 

[Chism]

I've heard two stories now, and neither suggest Voss is Charlie's problem. We have him for another year at least, so we may as well back him in and hope for the best.

He will be gone by round 8 i reckon.

Remember that photo of a certain someone i worked with last year that is a brother of someone……

Yeah i talked to him and Voss is the problem.

 

[tommy43]

Why are we “accommodating” a salary dump we are the ones that (should) have the upper hand yeah ?

100% agree. Swans should be paying bulk if not all of Hayward and Florent salary for duration of the contract they signed.
They do that, I'd be more open to a trade but they need to turn pick 11 into a top 6 pick too.

 

[Blue By Blood]

When looking at a players value it often comes down to recent form/output. I mean Sydney are doing it with Charlie saying he has a bung knee, had a bad year etc. Well Florent despite being durable and having prior top 10 B&F finishes based largely on that durability, fell out of the best 22 and has a lengthy contract for a role player. That puts him into steak knives territory even if he improves our best 22. And before the Florent defenders come at me, I'm not saying he's a bad player. Just given the circumstances he is steak knives in this trade.

This year he rated below average for disposals, effective disposals, kicks, handballs, tackles and inside 50s.. so you can see why he got dropped to the VFL. He holds limited to zero value in a trade based on Sydney pretty desperately wanting to move him on and rid themselves of the lengthy contract. If we want him it should be a separate deal to the Charlie one.

The other factor to consider here is that a 4 year contract on decent money means if he's not in our best 22 it's a waste of $$$. He also takes a spot away from the likes of Carroll, Wilson or maybe even Charleson. I don't mind bringing him in for a cheap pick but to think he holds any value in a Charlie trade is out of touch with the reality of the situation.

I also don't see why we have to throw a pick back to Sydney. If they want him they pay overs. Pick 22 won't happen. I can see us giving a token pick but I think given the situation we really shouldn't have to. I think many are just so disillusioned by Charlie not loving the club anymore that they are forgetting just how damn good he is. Up and going he's the best and most dangerous forward in the game and he lifts them up the ladder next year making their F1 not worth as much.

 

[ctwenty1]

I do hope this is the case.
I know Humphrey definitely wants out and I think gold coast could still buckle last minute if a good enough offer is thrown in front of them.

Could be reverse Lachie Weller - we get Humphrey for Pick 22

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Jed Walter liking insta posts on the blues insta page of Benny Ainsworth



…. Holding out some hope of a last minute surprise

 

[chuncey]

So? We'll have 10 + 11.

If bids come for Annable and Patterson we’ll have picks 12 & 13.

 

[ctwenty1]

Why are we “accommodating” a salary dump we are the ones that (should) have the upper hand yeah ?

Who says we are accomodating a salary dump?

 

[esoteric]

We spoke to 7 of their players. Only two agreed to move. Can you guess which two?

Heeney and Gulden?

 

[BlueJet]

We take on his contract because he's a good player who makes us better. He'll be a mainstay in the team just like he was for Longmire season after season.

Lol That’s Bigfooty for you.. where:
We deserve a premium for Charlie due to his body of work prior to this season, when he arguably should have been dropped.
Meanwhile, Florent is a salary dump because we're overlooking his body of work & focusing on this season.

 

[Moon]

I can't help but be reminded of Geoff Southby and his determination to play for South Melbourne back in the day. Carlton said no, he sat out half a season before relenting. Finished his career as a Carlton Legend and in my opinion, our greatest ever full-back.

I can only imagine what it must be like being a young Man, a Superstar and earning $millions in your 20s
It would be pretty easy to get carried away with your own success and importance. It would certainly test your ability to keep both feet on the ground and not led astray by thoughts that the World is your oyster and you can do what you like.

Charlie would benefit from sitting around a campfire with ex AFL Stars like himself who can reflect and share their stories with how differently they would think and behave if they had their time over again.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I've heard two stories now, and neither suggest Voss is Charlie's problem. We have him for another year at least, so we may as well back him in and hope for the best.

Agree, Charlie’s major issues with the club aren’t with Voss

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

We forgive you Charlie ... for all your sins
Come back ... embrace all the love ... and add Coleman winner 2026 to your CV.

Let's kick some more Goals Bro... and get Carlton up that ladder..

That's been the message for far too long. Enough already.

 

[ctwenty1]

If bids come for Annable and Patterson we’ll have picks 12 & 13.

So doesnt that also push dean's potential bid out?

 

[gab213]

The club takes no responsibility for JSOS, TDK, Doc and Charlie all wanting to leave.

TDK offered a contract by St. Kilda that no player in the league would refuse. Doc, retired, I don't even know how he enters this discussion. SOS, a player who's never played often enough to cement his place in the team, if you listen to some, felt entitled as well. Charlie,wants a change, I dont think any of it is the club's responsibility.

 

[The Bighouse]

The club takes no responsibility for JSOS, TDK, Doc and Charlie all wanting to leave.

Only irresponsible offers tendered for TDK, JSOS.
Doc cooked from round 1, should have retired then & there
Charlie’s own grievances & immaturity

No slight on the club at all

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Agree, Charlie’s major beef’s with the club aren’t with Voss

So what’s the actual beef with the club?

 

[DangerousD]

2 1st rounders, Hayward and Florent turns crap if we hand back 22.

Handing back 22 just means we are upgrading 10 spots on one of the 1st rounders.

Push them to the deadline

 

[gab213]

That's been the message for far too long. Enough already.

It's the correct message if a deal doesn't get done.