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[Bell Ringer]

I guess it's lucky we'd beat carlton simply by kicking points.


To say we should be scared of Carlton's midfield... what, is Judd gonna poke out Pendlebury's eyes?

Without doubt. Juddy lied - it was Sandler, not Seagal movies he was watching...

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[DamianBis]

We'll get some sort of a comparison with Dawes v Hawkins, with Dawes coming up against the same defense next week.

Considering walker did a collarbone. unlikely. although you'd hope Dawes wouldn't get comprehensively beaten by someone so much shorter

 

[davis_756]

I guess it's lucky we'd beat carlton simply by kicking points.


To say we should be scared of Carlton's midfield... what, is Judd gonna poke out Pendlebury's eyes?

Who said anything about midfields???

Anyways sure cloke may have kicked 4.1 yesty but he has failed miserably against carlton every time we have played and until he kicks straight against us I will continue to disrespect him as a threat.

Cloke is a player once you get into his head he gets frustrated and can't play decent football, Setanta has beaten him twice before by doing just that so I wouldn't be surprised to see Jamison playing on him and niggling away.

I have honestly no idea who we will man up defensively with, No Thornton/Waite changes our defense around.

I would guess:
Gibbs - Beams would be what we would look for so Gibbs can provide run off halfback.

Armfield - Davis he kept Brynes totally out of the match today, Davis is a lot better player but given the form he is in I will trust him to do a semi-decent job here.

Jamison - Fraser, I assume he will play deep so that will be all Jamo

Bower - Cloke Ratten said he is 100% back in so I assume he will go to cloke could be either jamo or white that takes him though.

JR - Didak Beat SJ comfortably today, similar match up next week should be the go.

White - Medhurst White is agile and has a dip, tough ask for him but it seems his best match up for mine.

 

[Thommo 42]

Last time we played Carlton, Cloke had 26 disposals, had 11 inside 50's, took 8 marks (3 contested). He kicked 1.1.

If you're not concerned about him pumping the ball into our forward 50, roamed by the likes of Davis, Didak, Medhurst, Thomas, Fraser and Dawes - then good for you.

In the other 2009 match, Cloke was unavilable due to injury. (like 9 other players from our best 22)

I also note that in his Copeland year of 2007, he kicked 8 goals in 2 games against Carlton to go with 18 marks and 30 disposals)

 

[davis_756]

Carlton won today against an insepid Geelong. The Cats still have a great deal of talent but what they are missing is their intensity and pressure.

Right now we are only just coming to terms with what our intensity will deliver. We are moving differently with and without the ball, running for each other and throwing everything at the contest for the team. The result... domination!

Our guys are on cloud 9 now and must be feeling like this football style is a bit of a drug. We will come out firing again this week as we are only now coming to terms with our ability. Good luck Blues is all I can say

I hope your side disrespects carlton's win today as much as you have, it was only last week Geelong kicked 11.7 in a quarter and won by 90+ points.

Write off our win as a fluke if you like but Geelong didn't just lose their good form over night, it had a lot to do with the way we played. We beat them in the middle and pressured them out of it when they did have the ball.

While I'd say you have better rucks then geelong, your a long way short of their midfield and if we can get on top against you next week you will find it hard to stop our small forward fleet.

Of course if you win the contest in the middle of the ground mick will play his predictable 7-8 man defense and clamp down the space so we are forced to kick to talls which will inevitably result in a pies victory.

 

[robertg22]

You guys lost to Essendon a couple of weeks ago and then came out and belted Geelong today. Previous weeks' form is pretty meaningless, ESPECIALLY with big games like Coll v Carl.
Having said that, I am slightly concerned about this game, Carlton did look pretty good but we are comfortably a better side across the park and if our structures hold up we should win easily enough. Pretty much just need to stop Judd, but that wasn't much of a problem last time.

 

[thylacine60]

Actually, have changed my mind.

I'd like Leigh Brown to come back in and man up on Setanta all day. Just to watch him lose his lolly when The Anvil starts repeating Potato-based insults at him all day.

To be honest, we could play a small desk lamp on Setanta and he'd still give away 2 free kicks and only kick 1.4.

The Anvil? Brown? Hahahahahaha, is that serious? Oh dear.

 

[robertg22]

Seriously, bugger off back to your board if you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion.

 

[Darkdayz]

I hope your side disrespects carlton's win today as much as you have, it was only last week Geelong kicked 11.7 in a quarter and won by 90+ points.

Write off our win as a fluke if you like but Geelong didn't just lose their good form over night, it had a lot to do with the way we played. We beat them in the middle and pressured them out of it when they did have the ball.

While I'd say you have better rucks then geelong, your a long way short of their midfield and if we can get on top against you next week you will find it hard to stop our small forward fleet.

Of course if you win the contest in the middle of the ground mick will play his predictable 7-8 man defense and clamp down the space so we are forced to kick to talls which will inevitably result in a pies victory.

I dont think anyone is writing off what you guys did. It is the fact that geelong has been relatively flat this year, barring the port game. They have come from behind at 3qtr time a few times this year. Look you guys played well, ur 3 little guys played well.

The question now is can they play a team who has 3/4/5 small defensive players. Can your much hyped and well performed midfield gain the upper hand against one that runs 10 deep. Can you contain our forwards. All question marks as it currently stands.

Can the pies stand up and beat the big name better midfield? can we contain ur little guys? will the real cloke rock up?

It is going to be a ripper game, this is no flat side u are coming up against. But then again will my mob be complacent? Dear god I hope not...

 

[didaka]

I would be impressed if Carlton came within 5 goals of us.

 

[davis_756]

Last time we played Carlton, Cloke had 26 disposals, had 11 inside 50's, took 8 marks (3 contested). He kicked 1.1.

If you're not concerned about him pumping the ball into our forward 50, roamed by the likes of Davis, Didak, Medhurst, Thomas, Fraser and Dawes - then good for you.

In the other 2009 match, Cloke was unavilable due to injury. (like 9 other players from our best 22)

I also note that in his Copeland year of 2007, he kicked 8 goals in 2 games against Carlton to go with 18 marks and 30 disposals)

And what did he do in 08? 17 touches 1 goal & 9 touches 1 goal

In 07 he kicked 4 goals & had 16 disposals / 3 goals + 13 touches in the 2 games which = 7 not 8

06 he had 6 disposals in both games for a total of 1 goal

05 4 disposals 0 goals

So his 26 touches 1 goal game vs carlton last year has been his best against us, his career average still sucks big time though.

In 8 games he has had 97 disposals 11 goals a staggering average of 12.125 disposals & 1.375 goals per game.

Somehow I don't find that very scary

 

[robertg22]

2005 he was 18 & 2006 he was 19, hardly relevant. Took Cale Hooker to the cleaners on Sunday.
Has 17 touches in each of his last 3 games and has kicked 6 goals, pretty decent output, nothing earth shattering but solid IMO.

 

[Thommo 42]

Glad you're going back to 05, his debut season and 06 when he was 18.

His most recent game against Carlton was his best game, his most recent game this season was his best game. I'm not too worried about Cloke vs Carlton.

He stacks up pretty well against the Carlton tall forwards, just like Didak, Davis and Medhurst stack up very well in comparison to Garlett, Yarran and Betts.

 

[robertg22]

Glad you're going back to 05, his debut season and 06 when he was 18.

His most recent game against Carlton was his best game, his most recent game this season was his best game. I'm not too worried about Cloke vs Carlton.

He stacks up pretty well against the Carlton tall forwards, just like Didak, Davis and Medhurst stack up very well in comparison to Garlett, Yarran and Betts.

Exactly - three AA's vs three inconsistent floaters.

 

[Darkdayz]

And what did he do in 08? 17 touches 1 goal & 9 touches 1 goal

In 07 he kicked 4 goals & had 16 disposals / 3 goals + 13 touches in the 2 games which = 7 not 8

06 he had 6 disposals in both games for a total of 1 goal

05 4 disposals 0 goals

So his 26 touches 1 goal game vs carlton last year has been his best against us, his career average still sucks big time though.

In 8 games he has had 97 disposals 11 goals a staggering average of 12.125 disposals & 1.375 goals per game.

Somehow I don't find that very scary

nice stats
I thought i would return the favor and analyse a young blues KPF.
Oh wait you dont have one...
Lockie's new so he has no record against us.
A fevless carlton, hmm this should be interesting.

 

[robertg22]

nice stats
I thought i would return the favor and analyse a young blues KPF.
Oh wait you dont have one...
Lockies new so he has no record against us.
A fevless carlton, hmm this should be interesting.

Oh but they have Henderson & O'hAilpin, who incidently had less kicks, marks & goals between them this weekend than Cloke

 

[Syphoncom]

I don't want to pick on anyone in particular and it's always good to see people supporting their respective teams. But come on:

Cloke had a good game last week. Therefore, he's guaranteed to be average for the next little while. Same with Fraser.

They have a solid 22 but if we come out and play next week like we did today, it should make a great contest. We are more talented and probably a bit more silky at the top end, but they've got more balance across the field. Will be interesting to see how it unfolds. I'll be happy if we take it up to them, but over the moon if we overcome them.

I'm sorry, I've had this discussion with Carlton fans in person as well, and they seem to be completely diluded into thinking they're a good side.

I'm obviously biased, I always will be. I also remember not long ago Buckley kicking out, running it through the midfield and kicking the goals. I know when we play bad in individual weeks, when through periods of history we haven't been a great team.

We are a top, top side this year with potential that dwarfs Carlton. If we are both playing well (well, not great, not mediocre, just we both come out to play) we are a better team by such a distance it's not even funny.

How, how, how Carlton fans can consider themselves a better team is beyond me. Someone enlighten me please. This is 100% genuine, and it is our board, I'm not trying to incite anything from any other fans... I just honestly don't see it.

 

[Darkdayz]

I don't want to pick on anyone in particular and it's always good to see people supporting their respective teams. But come on:



I'm sorry, I've had this discussion with Carlton fans in person as well, and they seem to be completely diluded into thinking they're a good side.

I'm obviously biased, I always will be. I also remember not long ago Buckley kicking out, running it through the midfield and kicking the goals. I know when we play bad in individual weeks, when through periods of history we haven't been a great team.

We are a top, top side this year with potential that dwarfs Carlton. If we are both playing well (well, not great, not mediocre, just we both come out to play) we are a better team by such a distance it's not even funny.

How, how, how Carlton fans can consider themselves a better team is beyond me. Someone enlighten me please. This is 100% genuine, and it is our board, I'm not trying to incite anything from any other fans... I just honestly don't see it.

your preaching to the choir brother, I have a group of mates who are blues supporters, I use to think they were joking when they claimed to have a better forward line and defense then ours. Midfield i get but forwards and backs???

Seriously, the "average plodders","cheap possies" and "loose man" excuses are beyond reasoning. We've statistically got one of the best defenses going round. The big forwards always rate our backmen as the hardest to play on. Our forward line although inconsistent is up there for most shots on goal.

We have young talented talls and smalls. We undoubtedly have the most dangerous group of small in the comp. How people cant see that is beyond belief. yea we rate them highly but if your off you game as a defender for one second against them its all over.

 

[Zahki]

Carlton will need to work for their goals next week. We've got one of the best defenses in the comp, no side has scored over 100 points against us this year, the highest has been 93 by the Bulldogs in round 1 and the defense really kicked into gear over the last 2 games averaging 57 points against.

Unless their midfield slaughters ours, can't see them getting over the line.

 

[Spoony]

Unless their midfield slaughters ours, can't see them getting over the line.

I would add inaccurate goal kicking to that aswell. If collingwood kick 4.17 again we could be in trouble.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

They have Judd, and they think that their #1 draft picks in Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer are superstars when really they're just very promising young players who will peak in another 2-3 years.

Much like Essendon fans last week thought that Hurley and Gumbleton were superstars whereas Dawes, N Brown and Reid were D-graders.

It sure helps when you're completely uncompetitive as a team and your high draft picks get much more exposure early in their careers, to start suddenly assuming your young guys are better than the ones plying their trades trying to crack into a top-four team. Phil Davis is looking pretty good for Adelaide, Grant has plenty of talent at the Bulldogs, Reid and Dawes are talented but relatively unknown for us, Lynch for the Saints etc.

 

[4#Didak#4]

The small forwards do worry me a bit based on how well Melbourne's did against us. The key will be the midfield though & ensuring that they cannot run & carry the ball deep into their 50 like they did today against Geelong, it really brings the small quick forwards into play.

 

[Zahki]

I'd love to see Dale have his best game so far next week. Carlton supporters seem to be the most vocal on here deriding him, so seeing him destroy them would be pretty satisfying. He's having a good year so far so it might happen.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

The small forwards do worry me a bit based on how well Melbourne's did against us.

We'll be better prepared for it this time though, after getting to watch the game today.

Carlton did us a favour by beating Geelong the week before facing us. On the one hand it prevents complacency coming up against a loathed rival, on the other it weakens the position of a team who is a genuine flag contender (yet again).

 

[4#Didak#4]

We'll be better prepared for it this time though, after getting to watch the game today.

Carlton did us a favour by beating Geelong the week before facing us. On the one hand it prevents complacency coming up against a loathed rival, on the other it weakens the position of a team who is a genuine flag contender (yet again).

Agreed, better we see it happen against Geelong first, so we can counter it.

I do wish we had a genuine tagger to take out one of Carlton's dangerous forward running mids like Murphy. No point tagging Judd. If we win in the middle or even break even we win the game. We will stretch the carlton backline more than the Bombers backline.