Blues should reneg on their Kouta deal

[knuckles]

Kouta will earn $1.2M in 2003. What nonsense for a domestic, half-baked national, sport. An unconditional too. So does his knee, tough, pay up. I know he is a star and its back ended. But the whole comp is being back ended.
Frig it I say. make a test case of it. Say it was an unconscionable contract b/c Elliot was a nutter (some may say this is true!). Time for the game to fight back.

 

[saiak]

There is no real point to this thread...

John Elliott didn't make the contract solely by himself and a contract is a contract...

Kouta probably is overpaid...but when he is uninjured, does anyone disagree that he is the best in the comp.

Re-interating...is there a point to this thread?

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by saiak
Kouta probably is overpaid...but when he is uninjured, does anyone disagree that he is the best in the comp.

Yes, i disagree.

 

[knuckles]

Point is related to why clubs are battling. Kouta was signed on that sort of $ b/c they had no choice, b/c others would. Why? b/c of enforced salary floors (as opposed to caps). My mail, good, is that Elliot is involved with most contracts and counter-signs. Couldn't care less if this is wrong.
If you can't see why this is untenable in our comp don't worry about it.
No player in the comp, should have that sort of money paid to them. But it is within the rules. The rules that club need to abide by, and try to survive.
Will any club be in the black end of 2003? No point really.

 

[hotpie]

Originally posted by saiak


Kouta probably is overpaid...but when he is uninjured, does anyone disagree that he is the best in the comp.

I can't remember it was so long ago.....

 

[Rohan_]

Kouta's overrated

1 really standout year. Champions like Buckley and Voss have done it for years.

 

[saiak]

Originally posted by hotpie


I can't remember it was so long ago.....

Block out 2000 have you?

I do remember him playing well against the Carringbush that year when Carlton won by 111 points

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

I've thought for a long time that players should sign two contracts. One a retainer, and the other performance based.
Our game cannot continue paying the outrageous sums of money players' agents are demanding.
Most of the salary cap should be consumed by performance based contracts, that way if a club has a poor season they don't pay as much as top clubs.
Make salary caps accumulative. That way if you only spend 80% of the cap one season then you would have 120% the next season, and therefore able to attract a top player to the club.
It will also make some of these players perform at their peak a little more often than they do, and not just at times when their contracts are up for renewal.
I think we all have had players who have boomer seasons, sign a lucrative nre contract, then have a poor couple of years after that.
The game cannot afford to allow this to continue.

 

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Rohan_
Kouta's overrated

1 really standout year. Champions like Buckley and Voss have done it for years.

Don't forget last year where he won Carlton's Best and Fairest... he beat Ratten (surpisingly). He also had a great year in '95, and was good in '96 and '99. He was alright in '97 too. 2000 ans '95 are the standouts obviously...

I agree, he is being overpaid. No doubt the fault of Elliot and Allison. I am sure Kouta would accpet a paycut for the good of the club. I suspect most of his salary is devoted to marketing issues.

 

[saiak]

Originally posted by Thrawn


Don't forget last year where he won Carlton's Best and Fairest... he beat Ratten (surpisingly). He also had a great year in '95, and was good in '96 and '99. He was alright in '97 too. 2000 ans '95 are the standouts obviously...

And the Brownlow in 2003..


Oops...jumped the gun! You will call me a psychic October 2003!

 

[noodle]

Originally posted by Macca19


Yes, i disagree.

i'll second that.

players such as voss, buckley and mcleod have always been better.

 

[Bomber Spirit]

Originally posted by knuckles
If you can't see why this is untenable in our comp don't worry about it.
No player in the comp, should have that sort of money paid to them. But it is within the rules. The rules that club need to abide by, and try to survive.
Will any club be in the black end of 2003? No point really.

Clubs have a salary cap - an overall limit of how much they can pay. How they divvy up that cap among their players is up to each club.
Limits are set for the team, not the individual. But they are there, they are enforced, and they're for the good of the game and the competition. But within the team limit there's scope for the club to make their own decisions.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Adelaide Hawk
Make salary caps accumulative. That way if you only spend 80% of the cap one season then you would have 120% the next season, and therefore able to attract a top player to the club.
It will also make some of these players perform at their peak a little more often than they do, and not just at times when their contracts are up for renewal.

You must be kidding. So a club operates at 80% cap for 5 years then is allowed to operate at 200% in the 6th year? It would make a complete mockery of the salary cap. Premierships will be bought. I think you need to re-consider this idea.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by knuckles

If you can't see why this is untenable in our comp don't worry about it.

It's untenable for Carlton. Let them dig their own grave.

 

[fabulousphil]

Kouta 1.2mill

Pagan 800k +

Good work Carlton ........... you bunch of sad arse losers.

 

[Tar]

Originally posted by fabulousphil
Kouta 1.2mill

Pagan 800k +

Good work Carlton ........... you bunch of sad arse losers.

I guess when Denis Pagan is the premiership coach at Carlton in the coming years and Kouta is holding up the premiership cup YOU WILL BE THE SAD LOSER

 

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by fabulousphil


Pagan 800k +

Good work Carlton ........... you bunch of sad arse losers.

Nice to say that before anything happens. I'd prefer to wait and see the actual results before finally coming to a conclusion on this matter.

 

[fabulousphil]

Originally posted by Tar


I guess when Denis Pagan is the premiership coach at Carlton in the coming years and Kouta is holding up the premiership cup YOU WILL BE THE SAD LOSER

Was your hand all sticky when you woke up, dream on.

 

[rda]

I think Carlton fans have got to realise that it will be extremely unlikely that when Kouta comes back he will play anything like he used to when in top form. He has basically had two knee reconstructions which will probably slow him down in terms of pace and also leap and agility.

There is also one other fact, Kouta is going to be 30 next year and that means he is not at his peak anymore and doesnt have much time left in the game. I very much doubt he will be what Bradley has done as reconstructions not only slow u down but they also shorten your career.

 

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by rda
I think Carlton fans have got to realise that it will be extremely unlikely that when Kouta comes back he will play anything like he used to when in top form. He has basically had two knee reconstructions which will probably slow him down in terms of pace and also leap and agility.

Actually, Kouta has had only one knee reconstruction. And you're right, he won't be the player that he was in 2000 BUT he will still be great for the line-up. He won the B&F last year when not in peak form, remember? A disrupted pre-season didn't help his cause either.

There is also one other fact, Kouta is going to be 30 next year and that means he is not at his peak anymore and doesnt have much time left in the game. I very much doubt he will be what Bradley has done as reconstructions not only slow u down but they also shorten your career.

This could be the case, but it's a mental thing for him now. He won't produce his best, but he'll be very handy. His presence also gives confidence to the team, and if his mind is right, he'll be able to do good things again. Only time will tell, as we still don't know what sort of an impact he will actually have. Don't write the Koutaman off just yet.

 

[The Phat Side]

If 2002 Woewodin isnt worth $450 and 2002 Caracella isnt worth $350 then a 2003 Kouta isnt going to be worth $1.2 mill thats for sure.

Thats the value of 4 Caracellas and 3 Woewodins after a couple of serious knee injuries and at 29-30 years of age. Ridiculous.

 

[The Spornstar]

Originally posted by fabulousphil


Was your hand all sticky when you woke up, dream on.

I'd be very surprised if Tar is actually a Carlton supporter.

 

[Tar]

Originally posted by The Spornstar


I'd be very surprised if Tar is actually a Carlton supporter.

Thats because you arn't too bright.

 

[Bee]

Originally posted by The Spornstar


I'd be very surprised if Tar is actually a Carlton supporter.

Yeah, and I'd also be surprised if 'knuckles', isn't the alias of another Collingwood poster.

 

[FIGJAM]

Originally posted by Tar
Thats because you arn't too bright.

I love it when someone has a go at another person's intelligence and they make an obvious spelling mistake!

Best in the comp though? Nah, Voss, Buckley and McLeod full flight are the standouts for mine!