Bluey Sacked

[ausbacker]

Jared Brennan ‏@JJ_Brennan 4m4 minutes ago
So I just heard bluey got the flick....damn, a year late!!! In all seriousness though, 1/2

Jared Brennan ‏@JJ_Brennan 4m4 minutes ago
feel for the players that didn't get the chance to develop and excel because of his stubbornness and one minded ways. 2/2

To be honest, I'm not overly convinced that Bluey is a good Head Coach. Despite the year-by-year improvement, I can't help but think with the amount of talent available to him, the Suns should be developing faster than what they have. That said, I firmly believe they've gone about building their list the wrong way. Too much youth and not enough veteran experience.

 

[pantskyle]

To be honest, I'm not overly convinced that Bluey is a good Head Coach. Despite the year-by-year improvement, I can't help but think with the amount of talent available to him, the Suns should be developing faster than what they have. That said, I firmly believe they've gone about building their list the wrong way. Too much youth and not enough veteran experience.

Couldn't agree less with you. Besides the season two hiccup of the team going backwards the improvement over the last two seasons has been very encouraging.

The Suns as a team are on the right track, you could argue if Ablett didn't go down they would have played finals this year, they were certainly tracking that way. I have no doubt next season they'll be a top 8 side and Bluey rightfully should have been the man at the helm guiding them into their first finals foray.

I looked at both expansion sides when they came in and thought it was easily a 5 year plan for finals. GC almost did that this year. Terribly unlucky for Bluey and if they sacked him because Thompson was "available" they will look very silly if he signs on at the Dons as the coach and that looks likely after the comments he made last night at the Dons B&F.

 

[ausbacker]

Couldn't agree less with you. Besides the season two hiccup of the team going backwards the improvement over the last two seasons has been very encouraging.

The Suns as a team are on the right track, you could argue if Ablett didn't go down they would have played finals this year, they were certainly tracking that way. I have no doubt next season they'll be a top 8 side and Bluey rightfully should have been the man at the helm guiding them into their first finals foray.

I looked at both expansion sides when they came in and thought it was easily a 5 year plan for finals. GC almost did that this year. Terribly unlucky for Bluey and if they sacked him because Thompson was "available" they will look very silly if he signs on at the Dons as the coach and that looks likely after the comments he made last night at the Dons B&F.

We saw the results of the Gold Coast minus Ablett pantskyle. I acknowledge their squad suffered injuries but post-Ablett, the team went 1-6 with an average losing margin of 34 points against meddling teams such as the Bulldogs, Lions, Blues and Eagles. The only very good team they played during that stretch was Port Adelaide, losing by 9 points in a torrential downpour.

I don't believe it's a case of being terribly unlucky. I'm not willing to apportion all of the blame on McKenna because the structure of their list is flawed but still, losing by nearly 6 goals per game to shit sides isn't a glowing endorsement for McKenna's coaching ability post-Ablett.

 

[pantskyle]

We saw the results of the Gold Coast minus Ablett pantskyle. I acknowledge their squad suffered injuries but post-Ablett, the team went 1-6 with an average losing margin of 34 points against meddling teams such as the Bulldogs, Lions, Blues and Eagles. The only very good team they played during that stretch was Port Adelaide, losing by 9 points in a torrential downpour.

I don't believe it's a case of being terribly unlucky. I'm not willing to apportion all of the blame on McKenna because the structure of their list is flawed but still, losing by nearly 6 goals per game to shit sides isn't a glowing endorsement for McKenna's coaching ability post-Ablett.

The end of season form for all of those four sides wasn't terrible though. Each team got some decent wins in.

 

[ausbacker]

The end of season form for all of those four sides wasn't terrible though. Each team got some decent wins in.

Whilst true, the ladder is a true reflection of your season. All of those teams according to the ladder were poor to average in 2014.

 

[pantskyle]

Whilst true, the ladder is a true reflection of your season. All of those teams according to the ladder were poor to average in 2014.

No doubt about that. Form is the funny thing though. Often teams will win a few at the end when they couldn't buy one at the start.

IMO if Ablett didn't get injured the Suns would have played finals and Bluey would not have been sacked.

 

[paran]

We saw the results of the Gold Coast minus Ablett pantskyle. I acknowledge their squad suffered injuries but post-Ablett, the team went 1-6 with an average losing margin of 34 points against meddling teams such as the Bulldogs, Lions, Blues and Eagles. The only very good team they played during that stretch was Port Adelaide, losing by 9 points in a torrential downpour.

I don't believe it's a case of being terribly unlucky. I'm not willing to apportion all of the blame on McKenna because the structure of their list is flawed but still, losing by nearly 6 goals per game to shit sides isn't a glowing endorsement for McKenna's coaching ability post-Ablett.

Wasn't just minus GAJ though. The were missing May, Dixon, Matera, their top 2 rucks, MacKenzie for large chunks t the end there too. Tested their depth and it was very green (as expected).

 

[Matera LeNui]

Suns should have made the finals without Ablett though. Take the best player out of any side and you drop off but it was a big drop off. Ablett getting injured was a good barometer to see were there at-The board would have expected these young kids would get across the line. That combined with whatever player management issues would have been enough. If they had given him the old one more year....

 

[ausbacker]

No doubt about that. Form is the funny thing though. Often teams will win a few at the end when they couldn't buy one at the start.

IMO if Ablett didn't get injured the Suns would have played finals and Bluey would not have been sacked.

Whilst probably true, you can't live life in in the "if" boat. We're all a product of events and decisions of the time.

Wasn't just minus GAJ though. The were missing May, Dixon, Matera, their top 2 rucks, MacKenzie for large chunks t the end there too. Tested their depth and it was very green (as expected).

I made mention they had other injuries and have a structurally flawed list.

 

[pantskyle]

Whilst probably true, you can't live life in in the "if" boat. We're all a product of events and decisions of the time.


I made mention they had other injuries and have a structurally flawed list.

Of course you can't live on 'ifs' which means the Suns hierarchy didn't consider the bad luck with injuries. It was a brutal sacking.

Will be interesting to see who they bring in. I think Thompson may be staying at the Bombers. I think if they asked Woosha he would have some interest in the job, nice little list to take over from.

 

[ausbacker]

Of course you can't live on 'ifs' which means the Suns hierarchy didn't consider the bad luck with injuries. It was a brutal sacking.

Will be interesting to see who they bring in. I think Thompson may be staying at the Bombers. I think if they asked Woosha he would have some interest in the job, nice little list to take over from.

Yep, it's one of those line-ball decisions that often go one way or the other.

You're right in that it'll be interesting to see who the bring in. Worsfold is probably the best of the available name lot.

 

[paran]

Do you think Woosh would do it after being Bluey's shoulder to cry on for the last week?

 

[Eaglemaniac]

Can you imagine if the ped thing was us......


I doubt we would exist as a club.

Totally agree Al

 

[88mph]

Do you think we'll have a crack at getting Bluey over here as an assistant? Surely he's got a lot to offer

 

[neng]

From what I have heard from a source that knows a player recently delisted from the Suns, Bluey is an overrated coach. Which surprised me when I first heard it, however now having seen the Jared Brennan tweet, it seems the opinion of Bluey was mutual across many players.

Not sure if the headstrong type is what Adam Simpson needs below him at the moment.

 

[Eagle87]

From what I have heard from a source that knows a player recently delisted from the Suns, Bluey is an overrated coach. Which surprised me when I first heard it, however now having seen the Jared Brennan tweet, it seems the opinion of Bluey was mutual across many players.

Not sure if the headstrong type is what Adam Simpson needs below him at the moment.

Define "headstrong"?

Bluey has always had a strong personality and was a major prankster when at the club as a player.

He had some issues I believe early days as an assistant delineating between being a coach and being one of the boys. He's never been the complete natural leader that Woosh was (as an example) but he's strong minded and of good character. I can't see any downside from that perspective.

That said, Simpson needs to have guys on board of his choosing, not foisted on him based on past service to the club.

As an aside, do you really expect that ALL players at an elite sporting organisation over a 5 or 6 year period will "like" the head coach? Really?

And taking a lead from Jared Brennan of all people is mad.

I have no idea if Bluey is a great coach tactically speaking but he's a hard working solid bloke and any suggestion we wouldn't want him based on character is nonsense.


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[pantskyle]

Define "headstrong"?

Bluey has always had a strong personality and was a major prankster when at the club as a player.

He had some issues I believe early days as an assistant delineating between being a coach and being one of the boys. He's never been the complete natural leader that Woosh was (as an example) but he's strong minded and of good character. I can't see any downside from that perspective.

That said, Simpson needs to have guys on board of his choosing, not foisted on him based on past service to the club.

As an aside, do you really expect that ALL players at an elite sporting organisation over a 5 or 6 year period will "like" the head coach? Really?

And taking a lead from Jared Brennan of all people is mad.

I have no idea if Bluey is a great coach tactically speaking but he's a hard working solid bloke and any suggestion we wouldn't want him based on character is nonsense.


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Pretty much this.

 

[paran]

Define "headstrong"?

Bluey has always had a strong personality and was a major prankster when at the club as a player.

He had some issues I believe early days as an assistant delineating between being a coach and being one of the boys. He's never been the complete natural leader that Woosh was (as an example) but he's strong minded and of good character. I can't see any downside from that perspective.

That said, Simpson needs to have guys on board of his choosing, not foisted on him based on past service to the club.

As an aside, do you really expect that ALL players at an elite sporting organisation over a 5 or 6 year period will "like" the head coach? Really?

And taking a lead from Jared Brennan of all people is mad.

I have no idea if Bluey is a great coach tactically speaking but he's a hard working solid bloke and any suggestion we wouldn't want him based on character is nonsense.


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I'd agree with this and given that Bluey is a Malthouse disciple from Collingwood and was coached by Malthouse as well, I believe that Brenna would go the way of Brad Hardie in the hard working disciplined stakes, and given the contract he received would have been expected to lead by example and would likely have fallen woefully short. Obviously recently delisted players would hold a grudge. Given the age of the listed, the regime would have had to have been quite regimented and this likely would rub older players the wrong way, as they would have been held to a very high standard as an example to the kids (see Campbell Brown).

 

[94_Eagles]

I don't believe it's a case of being terribly unlucky. I'm not willing to apportion all of the blame on McKenna because the structure of their list is flawed but still, losing by nearly 6 goals per game to shit sides isn't a glowing endorsement for McKenna's coaching ability post-Ablett.

The club is still 4 years young. Ablett will play for at least 3 more years (at a guess), the playing group getting better and stronger as each year passes.

They weren't ready half way through season 4 to cope with the loss of the best player possibly ever still in his prime, and I don't think that is anything to be ashamed of really. At no stage during the first three years did they go "Alright boys' for the next 5 weeks you will be without Ablett, off you go", so why did everyone expect them to magically be able to cope this season?

 

[ausbacker]

The club is still 4 years young. Ablett will play for at least 3 more years (at a guess), the playing group getting better and stronger as each year passes.

They weren't ready half way through season 4 to cope with the loss of the best player possibly ever still in his prime, and I don't think that is anything to be ashamed of really. At no stage during the first three years did they go "Alright boys' for the next 5 weeks you will be without Ablett, off you go", so why did everyone expect them to magically be able to cope this season?

I have made mention (several times) that I believe the structure of their list is flawed. The predicament the Suns found themselves in, in my opinion, directly correlates with the overabundance of youth on their list. McKenna's suspect coaching is another factor.

 

[94_Eagles]

I have made mention (several times) that I believe the structure of their list is flawed. The predicament the Suns found themselves in, in my opinion, directly correlates with the overabundance of youth on their list. McKenna's suspect coaching is another factor.

The Philaelphia 76ers are doing it the same way in the NBA.

 

[paran]

The Philaelphia 76ers are doing it the same way in the NBA.

Go Brett Brown! Go American-Irish-Australian accents! At least GC aren't purposely drafting injured players to remain cr@p to keep getting high picks...

Hang on, so Brett Brown to be sacked in 2 years?!? Just as they show a hint of making the finals? Good call.

 

[ausbacker]

The Philaelphia 76ers are doing it the same way in the NBA.

Sports in the United States compete in a different world to Australia. Further to the point, I'm well aware of the types of rebuilds available to teams given my Boston fandom.

It'll be interesting to see if the Suns do pull the trigger on veteran acquisitions this season. I'm kind of hoping Worsfold gets another crack now that idea has been planted.

 

[94_Eagles]

Sports in the United States compete in a different world to Australia. Further to the point, I'm well aware of the types of rebuilds available to teams given my Boston fandom.

It'll be interesting to see if the Suns do pull the trigger on veteran acquisitions this season. I'm kind of hoping Worsfold gets another crack now that idea has been planted.

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